Yes, murder is murder… except when it isn’t murder. Thank goodness there is such a thing as law school and a bar exam.
yes because lawyers and court systems are perfect. Ne’er a miscarriage of justice anywhere (Dan White)
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grmpysmrf
So, walk me through this . . . . how DID it go down, then?
Zimmerman: “Hey, there’s a spook in my neighborhood, I should call the cops before I murder him. Shoot spook, then lay on the ground and put him on top of me while I bang my head on the side walk so I can claim self-defense.”
No, really. I’m just curious. Since you know better than the witnesses and jury, can you please walk us through it?
That’s a real cracker ass cracker thing to do, DJ.
Here we go again where people have to constantly repeat the same shit because Grumpy doesn’t get it or simply ignores it.
Martin was supposedly running away earlier on in the conversation. The fuck is wrong with you? You can’t be this dense. You read the goddamn link and even quoted it.
Uh, what? Who isn’t able to pull out a gun when they’re being pounded on and having their head slammed into concrete? Why isn’t that possible? That’s really your rebuttal?
But hey, you know everything. Forget what people who actually saw what happened said, forget the evidence, the witnesses’ testimonies, etc. I’ve tried to be decent with you while discussing this with my last couple of posts but frankly you’re a fucking idiot. Plain and simple.
You argue not because you believe you’re right but because you are too fucking weak and fragile to admit when you’re wrong.
That’s what pisses me off about Grmpy. Really pisses me off (although I think the board would be dull without the guy). If something doesn’t gel with his sensibilities or if a fact is repeated from a source that HE doesn’t think is credible (like…er…Fox News for instance - actually I don’t have the heart to tell him that I live in Australia and that Fox News is only on pay tv and nobody really watches it here anyway…) then he will not budge an INCH on his standpoint. He’s got this fucking plank-headed view of society - where rich, white Christian “corporate” types are evil right wing bastards and it’s only “decent hard working blue collar honest folk” like himself that are keeping things real. People like him (who model themselves on oppotunistic, manipulative left wingers like Michael Moore, Jello Biafra, Al J. and Rage Against the Machine) that are fighting for the underdog because we all know that the underdog is always in the right. Right?
If you ever disagree with him, you are instantly “uninformed, ignorant, biased or gullible”.
“Oh, you don’t see things MY way!!! Fuck you! Here’s the “facts” bro and thank yer mama for the chickens!! You’re just some dumbass chump who reads a paper or watches a broadcast run by those filithy right wingers. You can’t possibly be RIGHT?!?!?”
Pisses me off.
But anyway…back to my my iced coffee…
<yawns>
If he doesn’t agree with someone he just goes on and on and on and on and on until the other person is too tired or so damn insulted they just get the fuck out of there and never come back…leaving Grmpy to high five himself and yell…
“I won! I won! I won the argument!1 My “facts” are the greatest! Nobody can defeat me!”
I honestly don’t think he understands the concept of a message board:
An open forum where intelligent, thought provoking ideas or topics of interest are discussed without fear of reprisal or threats of intimadation…
“Fuck you!! No way!! You don’t come here on MY forum and start with some Fox News corporate bullshit!! I’ll fucking flame you like you’ve never been flamed and then everyone will know what a superior argument I’ve put forth”.
Simply stating “Well, I’ve read your opinion and honestly you’ve made the odd good point but here’s why I disagree…” does not seem to be possible for him.
It’s all ego and threats and bullying. A matter of who can “shout” the loudest.
It’s people like him who go around screaming for equal rights and freedom of speech and equality, yet are completely INTOLERANT of alternate viewpoints.
“Freedom and equality for all…so long as that freedom and equality and speech doesn’t conflict with my views on what constitutes freedom and equality!!”
That’s called a dictatorship!
Simply stating “Well, I’ve read your opinion and honestly you’ve made the odd good point but here’s why I disagree…” does not seem to be possible for him.
So I have to follow this template? I would think that the argument I put forth would suggest why I think you’re wrong.
So rupert doesn’t blast his news all throughout australia? you’ve made the odd good point. I didn’t know that.
“Freedom and equality for all…so long as that freedom and equality and speech doesn’t conflict with my views on what constitutes freedom and equality!!”
That’s called a dictatorship!
??? you’re free to disagree with me. So what I’m not allowed to disagree back?
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grmpysmrf
If something doesn’t gel with his sensibilities or if a fact is repeated from a source that HE doesn’t think is credible… then he will not budge an INCH on his standpoint.
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#1 nobody else budges an inch on their standpoint but I’m the asshole… good one, fantastic, thanks for that, great day.
#2 most of the time the “facts” that repeated are not facts at all and then you have some people on the board think that if they repeat it enough times it will become fact.
He’s got this fucking plank-headed view of society - where rich, white Christian “corporate” types are evil right wing bastards and it’s only “decent hard working blue collar honest folk” like himself that are keeping things real.
probably the closest thing to an accurate cartoon description about me anyone has ever posted.
People like him (who model themselves on oppotunistic, manipulative left wingers like Michael Moore, Jello Biafra, Al J. and Rage Against the Machine) that are fighting for the underdog because we all know that the underdog is always in the right. Right?
they do more with their money and influence to help the under privileged (maybe not al J and Biafra but close enough) than the selfless altruistic companies that have in no way ripped off, exploited and pushed their shitty laws agendas and religions on the people of this country
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grmpysmrf
So, walk me through this . . . . how DID it go down, then?
Zimmerman: "Hey, there’s a spook in my neighborhood, I should call the cops before [strike]I murder him[/strike] he breaks into a house or spray paints all over the place.
call 911 and follow spook. 911 says don’t follow spook I say ok until the dispatcher hangs up to which I begin following him even after the dispatcher advised me against it and said spook ran from me.
Confront spook (who is already scared of me hence him running from me) who identifies me as a threat, hits me a a few times because he has no idea who I am and why I’m pursuing him at night and he is legitimately afraid (Not fake afraid to get out of killing someone). I scramble away and Shoot spook for hitting me. and as Peligro so eloquently put it, gave that kid what he deserved.
then lay on the ground and put him on top of me while I bang my head on the side walk so I can claim self-defense."
and there he lay until the cops pulled the body off of him… oh that’s not how it went down…
I could be wrong but I’m pretty sure forensics testified that there was no zimm DNA on martins hands or fingernails how does that happen when he gave Zimm such a savage beating?
I’ve seen high school freshmen with worse cuts and bruises from a fight than this pussy.
No, really. I’m just curious. Since you know better than the witnesses and jury, can you please walk us through it?
this help at all?
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grmpysmrf
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[reply]If something doesn’t gel with his sensibilities or if a fact is repeated from a source that HE doesn’t think is credible… then he will not budge an INCH on his standpoint.
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#1 nobody else budges an inch on their standpoint but I’m the asshole… good one, fantastic, thanks for that, great day.[/reply]
#1 Because “other people” are stating actual facts and not emotion based opinions that are factually inaccurate (aka bullshit) that they picked up from some liberal-extremist moron or group who are just as uninformed and full of shit as Fox news and the conservative idiots they’re against. Also, you won’t allow anyone to have a different opinion than you. You go bat-shit crazy and attack anyone who thinks differently. I wouldn’t be against this - as I’ve been guilty of being the same way myself - except for the fact that you are almost always wrong and spend most of your time insulting people and making irrelevant observations on peoples personal lives rather than focusing on what it is you disagree with and proving your point.
I’ve provided sources and suggested you do some research yourself. Why would I bother doing this if I was bullshitting or making shit up just to support my opinions/beliefs? You have provided no actual information to back up against anyone you’ve disagreed with. Nothing. Just knee-jerk nonsense and tired insults.
The truth is you just like being outraged but you’re too lazy to bother understanding what it is you are actually outraged about.
#2 most of the time the “facts” that repeated are not facts at all and then you have some people on the board think that if they repeat it enough times it will become fact.
#2 No, you are wrong again. Because they are actually facts with sources often provided with them or statements that can easily be fact-checked. You’re just more focused on arguing than actually taking the time to read what you are arguing against.
Like the facts brought up from actual court documents. For the love of fuck, you can watch the trial unfold on youtube for free on your own time. You spend enough goddamn time on here spewing inane bullshit as it is that you’d think with something you seem so dedicated and passionate about you’d have maybe watched a couple hours of the actual trial. Instead you repeat false headlines and puke out predictable shite that would embarrass a 14 year old who sharpied “PUNX” onto their knuckles.
And people have to repeat things because you refuse to acknowledge what doesn’t fit in with your tiny, warped reality. Sometimes everyone else isn’t what’s wrong. Sometimes it’s you. But you’re more concerned with arguing than you are the shit you pretend to be so emotionally invested in and knowledgeable about.
People like him (who model themselves on oppotunistic, manipulative left wingers like Michael Moore, Jello Biafra, Al J. and Rage Against the Machine) that are fighting for the underdog because we all know that the underdog is always in the right. Right?
they do more with their money and influence to help the under privileged (maybe not al J and Biafra but close enough) than the selfless altruistic companies that have in no way ripped off, exploited and pushed their shitty laws agendas and religions on the people of this country
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grmpysmrf[/reply]
Oh, good fucking lord, you are beyond help, buddy. You are the quintessential, stereotypical liberal moron. And you are an adult? What went wrong? What the fuck is wrong with you? You are actually hurting everything you attempt to stand up for with your stupidity and armchair revolutionary/slacktivist bullshit.
I actually think I might dislike people like you more than I do the idiots we are both against who are actually forcing shit down peoples throats because you make it so much easier for them to do it and make it so much harder for any opposition to be taken seriously. You are a fucking cartoon character and although we might dislike many of the same things, you seem to do it for fun or to impress people who don’t have to listen to you not explain what it is you’re rebelling against. It’s just a natural reaction for you now. You are so full of shit that I don’t understand how anyone could stand being within an inch near you.
TL;DR??? I know, Grumpy. You’ve made that pretty clear already.
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grpmy got PWNED again damn Atom since you’ve come around this guy has taken many beatings!
grpmy got PWNED again damn Atom since you’ve come around this guy has taken many beatings!
I could see you teaming up with him seeing your history. you got a lot in common you both like the taste of your own shit. He made absolutely no point in his rant and engaged in ALL of the things that he complains about me… he must still be high.
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grmpysmrf
Also, you won’t allow anyone to have a different opinion than you. You go bat-shit crazy and attack anyone who thinks differently. I wouldn’t be against this - as I’ve been guilty of being the same way myself - except for the fact that you are almost always wrong and spend most of your time insulting people and making irrelevant observations on peoples personal lives rather than focusing on what it is you disagree with and proving your point.
I’ve provided sources and suggested you do some research yourself. Why would I bother doing this if I was bullshitting or making shit up just to support my opinions/beliefs? You have provided no actual information to back up against anyone you’ve disagreed with. Nothing. Just knee-jerk nonsense and tired insults.
You’re just more focused on arguing than actually taking the time to read what you are arguing against.
And people have to repeat things because you refuse to acknowledge what doesn’t fit in with your tiny, warped reality. Sometimes everyone else isn’t what’s wrong. Sometimes it’s you. But you’re more concerned with arguing than you are the shit you pretend to be so emotionally invested in and knowledgeable about.
Oh, good fucking lord, you are beyond help, buddy. You are the quintessential, stereotypical liberal moron. And you are an adult? What went wrong? What the fuck is wrong with you? You are actually hurting everything you attempt to stand up for with your stupidity and armchair revolutionary/slacktivist bullshit.
You are a fucking cartoon character and although we might dislike many of the same things, you seem to do it for fun or to impress people who don’t have to listen to you not explain what it is you’re rebelling against. It’s just a natural reaction for you now. You are so full of shit that I don’t understand how anyone could stand being within an inch near you.
Whoah!! You fucking nailed it!!!
round of applause
He’s such an emotionally charged windbag. He will argue literally anything for the sake of arguing. He will spew out line after line of twisted, distorted statistically bent (bent to his favour, mind you), bullshit and beat you over the head with it, rather than just present a simple, logical statement or theory.
Instead he machine guns his “opponents” with bile and personal insults, accuses them of this and accuses them of that, then tries to bury them with an avalanche of “facts” pulled from any number of half arsed sources that are as laden with as much bullshit as the “right wing media” sources he hates with so much unbridled passion.
And then he feigns insult when people eventually get jack of his abusive antics and call him out for what he really is. He’s done it to me more times than I could count. In fact, he even professed to know more about a previous business venture I had been involved with than I did myself! The nerve of the guy. According to him, I’m just a “rich” cunt who couldn’t possibly succeed in business on my own merit because, well, “rich cunts” are all stupid and have absolutely no business acumen. Only “true” people like himself are only ever worthy of such aclaim.
He basically hates anyone successful in a corporate environment who doesn’t subscribe to a liberal, socialist agenda.
Hey Olsen I was wondering when you would show up to bitch and moan about how i bitch and moan. good to see somethings never change. see ya around.
btw
In fact, he even professed to know more about a previous business venture I had been involved with than I did myself!
I did? maybe you could pull up that thread… But more than likely you can’t cause your twisting shit to favor your side.
According to him, I’m just a “rich” cunt who couldn’t possibly succeed in business on my own merit because, well, “rich cunts” are all stupid and have absolutely no business acumen.
You inherited all of your money and think that = hard work. and because you were smart enough not to put it up your nose (your words) that makes you successful.
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grmpysmf
[url http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/07/15/19488815-zimmerman-juror-he-shouldnt-have-gotten-out-of-that-car?lite]Zimmerman juror: He shouldn’t have gotten out of that car
…but he’s still innocent? wtf?
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grmpysmrf
He made absolutely no point in his rant and engaged in ALL of the things that he complains about me…
WTF?
He made no point? No point?! He made tonnes of points and far more logical and coherent than your own sweet self - and didn’t stoop to abusing the fuck out of anyone else who dared disagree. Unlike you. You make it sound like you were right there as this shit was going down, ya batshit dunderhead.
As I said, you are being called out for what you really are.
You inherited all of your money and think that = hard work. and because you were smart enough not to put it up your nose (your words) that makes you successful.
I sold my company shares (which was far from what one could reasonably call a “fortune”) and instead of blowing it on hookers and crack I funnelled it into a timber business, which was on its knees, and built it into a successful company from scratch - knowing very little about business to begin with. I poured everything into I possibly could, barring my own blood, risked losing everything on the entire venture, studied for a degree in business management / economics (while running the business) and eventually sold it when an offer - too good to pass up - came along from overseas interests.
But why am I explaining this to you. I suppose you have your own version of events. I’m pretty sure you’ve got it all worked out chum.
[reply]He made absolutely no point in his rant and engaged in ALL of the things that he complains about me…
WTF?
He made no point? No point?! He made tonnes of points and far more logical and coherent than your own sweet self - and didn’t stoop to abusing the fuck out of anyone else who dared disagree. Unlike you. You make it sound like you were right there as this shit was going down, ya batshit dunderhead.
As I said, you are being called out for what you really are.[/reply]
it’s only logical to your backward ass.
Why are you two and some others so pissed that I like to argue and won’t agree with your asinine bullshit.
WHY IS IT SO IMPORTANT FOR YOU THAT I AGREE WITH YOU??? just tell me that much at least. please I’m begging you tell me. don’t just come at me with Ad hominems and non sequitors…
I will say I think it’s funny on your part that now there are several vocal people against me you show back up… safety in numbers or what? you get so butt hurt over words on a screen. It’s not like I’m on the radio or a nationally syndicated tv show…
you are all essentially acting towards me (as if I’m important) the way you say I act against “corporations and rich people” and such
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grmpysmrf
Gunney nailed it with a lot of what he said about the case, so kudos man. i always enjoy when you take off the hat and get serious in a conversation. 
and Atom, some nice points there! good on ya.
and Void, level-headed. nice.
i am sad that Zimmerman got off… now, i am sad because i feel that this sets a precedent and that what he did was disgusting and morally wrong, BUT he didnt break any laws. and that is the scary thing to me. i wish he HAD broken a law so that he could find himself removed from his situation and hopefully offered the chance to see what he had done wrong and be educated. but as it stands, he got off. the best thing that can come from this is that we as a society begin to understand that certain laws MUST be changed.
I hardly just “showed up”. I rarely post but I read up on here a hell of a lot.
This was well worth posting about.
I sold my company shares (which was far from what one could reasonably call a “fortune”)
So it was what? the amount of the average workers monthly check? probably more I’m sure but what do I know? and btw you didn’t work for it you just sold off shit you inherited (your words again. you inherited it. remember how you wrote you wanted to rub your inheritance in the face of your old math teacher?)
and instead of blowing it on hookers and crack I funnelled it into a timber business, which was on its knees, and built it into a successful company from scratch - knowing very little about business to begin with.
First off your praising what most people would call common sense. by not blowing it on hookers and blowand
second If the timber business was already in business you didn’t build it from scratch.
third so what if it failed, that would mean you’d have to get a real job instead of being able to inherit more money or gambling with more money than most people see.
I poured everything into I possibly could, barring my own blood, risked losing everything on the entire venture, studied for a degree in business management / economics (while running the business) and eventually sold it when an offer - too good to pass up - came along from overseas interests.
nice for you to be in this position. too bad everyone can’t have wealthy parents to leave them an inheritance to gamble with. not everyone has these opportunities. Something you still fail to understand
But why am I explaining this to you. I suppose you have your own version of events. I’m pretty sure you’ve got it all worked out chum.
cause you think you’re some kind of hero for being in a position to play with a lot of money.
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grmpysmrf