He might just be going for laughs, but it seems that Jon Stewart thinks the lab theory is possible.
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Yeah i saw it the other night on colbert. I’ll still take the career people over Stewart. He was pretty damn funny though! He made a good case lol
Maybe this is good news. Maybe all his stupid dj posts are gone and now he’s moved on to his sock puppets
Published a month or so ago but never got around to sharing. Think what you wish.
Well, the “lab leak theory” has changed definitions since the beginning of all this. At the beginning the lab leak theory was “China made this in a lab and it got out.” Then it was “china is using animal diseases as germ warfare and it got out of the lab.” Now its “well they were studying it and it escaped.”
Really what it comes down to for me is the scientists. If the top people in this field say it came from a lab then I’ll accept that but right now no one is really saying that (although there are mumblings now from important people)
Im not about to take the word and conspiracy nonsense from a journalist or a pundit or someone not in the top of the field on this. So im inclined to stick with the scientists.
The “Scientists” that people are choosing to believe are the same ones that have the most to lose as they all had their hands in the cookie jar and their gravy train would derail if and when it turns out that their works directly or indirectly led to the death of 4 million and counting. And even if their works have nothing to do with this, they still may not want to cross the people that control such funds.
I honestly don’t know why people adopted this blind “trust the Scientists” creed to such dogmatic and religious degree. Scientists are just people. And for the most part, they are paid handsomely by other people… all of whom have they own agendas and predispositions.
Which scientists would those be? Fauci didn’t have anything to do with wuhan… That infectious disease expert I heard on rogan doesn’t have anything to do with Wuhan. They’re just well respected experts in the fields that are at the top of their field.
Why wouldn’t people do that? Most people don’t know 2 steps in the Scientific Method but wanna have their voice be equal to the people who have made their whole livelihood on something most people can’t even begin to understand. LOL michael jordan has made a free throw… I have made a free throw. I’m as good as michael jordan! hardly. lol. Scientists are held to a higher standard. not just by the public but by the very nature of their job. They’re not just voices/opinions in an op ed.
They certainly are but they have an education and a discipline that is way beyond that of “just people,.” otherwise they don’t last long in the field. It’s kinda like saying Well michael jordan or Kobe Bryant is just a person. Sure they are but if you think you can play ball at their level and your opinion on the plays that they run and the practice routines they do hold any weight… well, let me just say anyone who would think that is sorely mistaken.
I don’t know who told you that but as someone who has a scientist in the family and have met my fair share of scientists because of that family member I can tell you that is the farthest thing from true. There is no gravy train. Most scientists get paid through grants which come from the government (and, true, some private organizations) and the paperwork has to be so crazy specific that if shit isn’t done just right, the money shuts off. Also, every grant comes with an audit, you gotta show where and how that money was spent… Something is off, now the lab could be looking at a fraud charge. “Gravy train” my ass. lol.
Also, Scientists are generally not bought and those that are end up shunned by the community and they better have gotten paid handsomely for their bullshit because their ethic and their credibility is GONE and no one else will hire them or give them grant money.
When it comes to private firms giving grants to scientists because they want a study to show something specific and then it doesn’t, you have two likely scenarios…
The first and most often is that the scientists conduct the study and the organization gets constant updates as the study runs. If during the study the data is not showing what the organization wants it to show, then money is cut off and the study defunded and that’s the end of that.
2nd, less likely, scenario (although it does happen) the scientists hired skew the results to keep the study going in order to keep the money coming in, and at the end of the study the data is submitted to some peer reviewed journal where it’s torn to shreds. The scientists’ credibility is usually destroyed irreparably and they need to find a new line of work. The organization is left with a debunked study they can either try to use to gain the thing they wanted it to show all along or just throw it in the garbage where it’s ultimately going to end up.
As a scientist all you have is your reputation. You’re not going to sacrifice it for a few bucks. The tighter your studies are the more in demand you become and the more work you get. Just writing down some bullshit so you can get paid is the fastest way to not get paid and have you ringing the register at dollar general.
The science community is cut fuckin throat, you don’t have scientists colluding with each other and covering up each other’s bullshit. They’re all looking for the prize, the recognition, and if you do sloppy work and cut corners, there are a line scientists to call you out on it and blast it everywhere 'cause if they’re not getting the prize, then they want the prize for showing why “scientist A” doesn’t deserve the prize because their data is wrong. That’s why they have peer reviewed journals because if you can get your work past a real jury of your peers it’s pretty solid, and puts you in demand.
The science community are cannibals. they will eat their own.
Are scientists wrong, Sure, it happens, but rule of thumb is that it’s not going to be a layman that points it out it’s going to be the community.
Climate change, the community agrees it’s happening. Are there scientists that say no? Definitely. Are those scientists at the top of their field? Definitely not. Do they work for an oil company or some other organization that profits off climate change not being real… probably, or their trying to get a job at that company.
Bottom line, is that most scientists pursue knowledge and understanding and want to be recognized for their breakthroughs and contributions as well as be remembered in history and science books. They don’t go into the field thinking, “this is gonna make me rich!”
My sister’s name is attached to the cure for alzheimer’s (if one is ever found). Her and her lab partner found some anomaly in some cell connected with that disease which helped push research forward. Did she get a bonus? Nope. Did she get a promotion? Nope She gets a shout out on the mega long list of people who helped search for the cure. and she did get the lab a little bit more grant money that went to a different sector of research… She’s not there for the money. She makes far far less than I do as a teacher.
I’m not a scientist. You’re not a scientist. Trust the scientists. “Scientist A” trying to fool you ? Scientists B through Z have your back cause they want the credit for exposing a bad scientist and a fraud and certainly want credit for the real version of what scientist A was trying to fool you with… Oh yeah and scientist A doesn’t work here anymore because he can’t be trusted cause he’s sloppy or just plain deceptive.
Oh, this one got away from me. sorry 'bout the length.
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I’ll have some of my own thoughts/comments later, but wanted to put this here as it’s a great summary of the timeline leading up to the Covid explosion and notes some critical points of cover-up/ manipulation of the public narrative fed to us.
I’ve been following these two (Krystal and Saagar) since last year. They are equally critical of ALL branches and parties of the government as well as our mainstream media and do a great job of highlighting what goes on in Washington and regional political scenes that does not get fairly covered or exposed elsewhere.
Do you know they serve chicken tenders in China? It could also be bat.
I’ll probably get to this later tonight… this week was the start of work again so I’ve been busy.
As far as some of Fauci’s public statements under trump being different than now. I give Fauci a pass with anything that was said under trump that was incorrect, just because of the sheer amount of people trump fired (scientists, ambassadors, military personnel, security personnel) for crossing him or steering from his narrative. Fauci said what he needed to to stay in on the loop because he needed to be there and in on all that info. So, if they’re gonna say “Well Fauci said this and now he says this” I could see that as a necessary debasing, and not really taking in the context of the situation at the beginning.
I feel better now that I know the US has been funding bat corona research in Wuhan. Whew.
WHY THE FUCK IS THE US GOVERNMENT PROVIDING FUNDING TO CHINA to do things we aren’t allowed to do here because it is so FUCKING STUPID. Seriously, what can possibly go wrong monkeying with virus’. It’s not like 220 million people have been infected and 4.5 million are dead from some disease or anything.
Because they try to get in front of the diseases before they attack/mutate. If we didnt do this then people would be bitching that we’re reactive rather than proactive.
Its lose lose situation
Nope. Literally no one ever has said we should have invented plagues before they happen naturally. Yes, we can be prepared better and develop plans, treatments, etc. But honestly, other than the people taking these grants and getting a piece of the action, I have not heard anyone say they think the Frankenstein bullshit is a good idea.
They’re not inventing plagues. Theyre attempting to come up with treatments before it’s a problem. and literally every microbiologist has said exactly that.
I’ve been around quite a few in the last 25 years. and as I’ve posted before, there is no action. I literally make well more than my sister and nearly ever microbiologist I’ve met.
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They’re not inventing plagues. Theyre attempting to come up with treatments before it’s a problem. and literally every microbiologist has said exactly that.
I’ve been around quite a few in the last 25 years. and as I’ve posted before, there is no action. I literally make well more than my sister and nearly ever microbiologist I’ve met. [/quote]
Yes, I know the stated “rationale” behind it, and I don’t care to argue semantics, but they were manipulating viruses and such to make them more of a risk (I.e. what would lead to a pandemic) by making them either more contagious, more deadly, or more resistant to treatment. Of course the intent was for it all to STAY in a lab setting and for the Scientists to come up with some great cures and solutions and such for a problem that did not yet exist. Noble or not, that shit is fucking dumb and terrifying to most people. Did they plan to release death and sickness upon the whole planet? No, no one is saying that. But here we are.
And I don’t care how much money anyone is paid. That’s not the point at all, although doing this shit in China could actually make your points work on behalf of the Lab Leak Hypothesis.
Which restaurant do you think is going to have a higher chance of giving you food poisoning or serving you tacos with pubes in them? The 5 star restaurant charging $300 a plate and paying their staff handsomely, or the greasy shack paying less than minimum wage under the table?
NIAID, headed by Saint Fauci, provided funding to China to engage in gain of function research on bat corona virus via EcoHealth Alliance. It’s not even conjecture anymore. It happened.
I get the “prevent future disease” bit but it is a red herring. The fact of the matter is the the US government provided funding to China to perform work on bat corona virus’ that isn’t allowed by law to be done in the US because it is mind bogglingly stupid. The US government subverted US law to do things it is not allowed to do here. The consequences of that failure are millions of people are dead, lives ruined, economies in shambles because someone(s) decided that yeah well we can’t do really stupid shit here, let’s do it in China instead. What could possibly go wrong?
Thank you, Prologue.
And all the concentrated distraction, lies and cover up of everything has only set us back in our attempts to get things under control.
It’s not semantics.
That’s not what they were doing. (And if it was I’d love to see some real proof not some political jack ass pundits who don’t know fuck one about science and how it works, speculating on it) you’re (and prologues) understanding of GOF is incorrect. Gain of function is not to turn something more dangerous and deadly (it can be) but to be something that is treatable should a disease jump species. The idea is to get in front of a pandemic not cause one.
If you have some proof of this, the world, and the science community would love for you to cite your source. But that’s NOT what they were doing. All you have is is crazy belief that has no basis in anything, because you have GOF wrong.
Except that’s exactly what you’re saying,…
…for the Scientists to come up with some great cures and solutions and such for a problem that did not yet exist./>
What’s the point working on this research unless they plan to release and then cure everybody with their magic cure as your quote suggest?
Then how come you keep making statements about “how much action” they’re getting or the “gravy train?”
They were probably doing it in China because that’s where the greatest risk of corona virus was. Might as well do it local instead, Oh, I don’t know, putting it on a plane or a train transcontinental… Seems to me transporting something like over seas seems irresponsible.
