Peligro and 1002, well said and well done.
Also… “the icey one”?
Hell yeah.
In regards to the 800 figure. Too bad, I like the album and had hoped they might see some cash but what could one reasonably expect in this current musical environment? If you don’t have ins with the big boys and aren’t making crap emo or bullshit hip-hop you are SOL these days.
Simple - REVCO 2009 is like piecing together a Can reunion yet with yonderful members like Rue Paul and David Hasselhoff. It ´s ugly! Chris, thank you, it was a brilliant time to witness the last assault back in 1993 and left a beautiful corpse…had it stayed there.
Anyways, 800 figures come to show…“i want the mulah´s!”
(reading Chris Connelly bio for the 2nd time, excellent biography with great humour!).
Good night!
ice is nice. i count my cards, and go from there.(how’s arizona)
i love the cuban. he’s got the oid problem of his current wife #2.
the main reason many of us look on here is for news. i got news for you.al doesn’t give a flying fuck what any of us say.
you, al, are a MAN.
get rid of the baggage, in whatever way. move ahead.
recent years have definately had moment s of seeming self parody. al said openly he hated ministry for a while in intereviews and would rather just ddo country music… right? but he kept putting out ministry cds of varying quality for years before giving it up… then comes along a cd he says he thinks is his best work in years. some people here download it several months ago expecting the wrost and say it’s not the piece of pure shit you’d exect, but that doesn’t make it stand up on repeated listens. Personally i didn’t download it early, it’s somethign i choose not to do. i went out and got a copy from the store the day it was released.
look i think we’d all love to see the guy hit one out of the park as we’re all fans of his work (some differrent eras, but still fans) why else would we even be here? it’s just we have a sense of humor and also can call a spade a spade
is it wrong to criticize an artist you like for not living up to their full potential and skating by on past glories?
if revco was a new band, on an indy label, in today’s climate 800 on your first cds first week is decent i guess. this wasnt presented as such.
and sales #'s doesn’t = quality
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:hzfyxz9kld6e
AMG REVIEW of the cd
If back in the late '80s one had learned that Al Jourgensen would one day be describing the Revolting Cocks with un-ironic reference to Menudo vis-à-vis his recruiting of newer members to carry on his overall approach, one would be forgiven for boggling a bit, though his penchant for working with a wide variety of people had already been established. But it would be less surprising to learn that he would have long since exchanged some sense of testing boundaries simply to recycle various parts of his musical and aesthetic approach over and over again, which the head-in-hands title Sex-O Olympic-O too easily confirms. Despite settling onto a full new main lineup on this second album since he reactivated the name, Jourgensen seems only to have worked his best to find people specializing in the worst imaginable industrial rock clichés, a farrago of dance beats and guitars and trying-for-sleaze that he once put a perfect stamp on, but which sounds utterly perfunctory even at the best times. Even the recurring glam drum stomps seem now like RevCo are trying to claim Marilyn Manson’s sound instead of Gary Glitter. Lead singer Josh Bradford delivers various pronouncements in the expected distorted shriek-snarl, while his song titles — “HookerBot3000” and “I’m Not Gay” being among the worst offenders — just prompt shrugs. That half of Cheap Trick and Davíd Garza, among others, are listed as “proxy cocks” in the credits might be the most saddening thing of all.
I’m not sure that reviewer realized that the album’s supposed to be kind of funny.
apples to apples, oranges to oranges
Chris, how many copies did you sell of your latest work in the first week?
I’m sincerely inquiring about real sale comparison numbers and not being an arse.
Chris has never had as much of a promotional push before a cd release though.
Hey Chris I don’t know if this has been asked before around here but I was just curious if you ever contributed to ministry in terms of the song structures or if it was just vocals and lyrics. Either way I always thought that Ministry started missing something after your name was no longer in the credits.
In regards to the Revco cd its pretty sad it has sold so poorly but on the other hand the fact that only one member of the past line ups is on the record. What makes it even worse is that Al seems more like just a special guest than an actual member.
Chris has never had as much of a promotional push before a cd release though.
I wouldn’t exactly classify what this version of RevCo received as a major promotional push.
[reply]Chris has never had as much of a promotional push before a cd release though.
I wouldn’t exactly classify what this version of RevCo received as a major promotional push.[/reply]
well i’ve seen it reviewed in a bunch on print magazines, then there were the web reviews and a bunch of online interviews for it. a bunch of release parties and such… way more than i think chris ever had the luxury of having.
http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=10:hzfyxz9kld6e
AMG REVIEW of the cd
If back in the late '80s one had learned that Al Jourgensen would one day be describing the Revolting Cocks with un-ironic reference to Menudo vis-à-vis his recruiting of newer members to carry on his overall approach, one would be forgiven for boggling a bit, though his penchant for working with a wide variety of people had already been established. But it would be less surprising to learn that he would have long since exchanged some sense of testing boundaries simply to recycle various parts of his musical and aesthetic approach over and over again, which the head-in-hands title Sex-O Olympic-O too easily confirms. Despite settling onto a full new main lineup on this second album since he reactivated the name, Jourgensen seems only to have worked his best to find people specializing in the worst imaginable industrial rock clichés, a farrago of dance beats and guitars and trying-for-sleaze that he once put a perfect stamp on, but which sounds utterly perfunctory even at the best times. Even the recurring glam drum stomps seem now like RevCo are trying to claim Marilyn Manson’s sound instead of Gary Glitter. Lead singer Josh Bradford delivers various pronouncements in the expected distorted shriek-snarl, while his song titles — “HookerBot3000” and “I’m Not Gay” being among the worst offenders — just prompt shrugs. That half of Cheap Trick and Davíd Garza, among others, are listed as “proxy cocks” in the credits might be the most saddening thing of all.
Harsh.
I don’t think the album title is so bad, but I agree with the rest of the AMG review. One man’s trash…
1002
Well put Peligro.
As for the question of why there is a delight in poor album sales: I think that the lazy, dumbed down, hoping to please “the kids” as Al says, crap that has been put out recently has been an insult to the old fan base who tend to congregate here. It’s not very spiritually evolved, but I do take a certain pleasure in seeing something that feels like an insult fail.
Does that make me a bad person?
Yup.
Do I care if that makes me a bad person?
Nope.
If someone craps into a sugar cone and trys to tell me it’s ice cream, I will take a certain pleasure in watching their crap-cream stand fail.
How mean spirited and unkind of me. Boo fucking hoo.
On a more positive note: I must echo the praise of Connelley’s work. Forgiveness and Exile is the extreme opposite of what I’ve described above - challenging music… what a concept. But I’m sure that’s a bad thing to say for some reason.
[reply][reply]Chris has never had as much of a promotional push before a cd release though.
I wouldn’t exactly classify what this version of RevCo received as a major promotional push.[/reply]
well i’ve seen it reviewed in a bunch on print magazines, then there were the web reviews and a bunch of online interviews for it. a bunch of release parties and such… way more than i think chris ever had the luxury of having.[/reply]
Even with LFG?
Were you intentionally looking for it or were you just casualy browsing and discovered it? You’ve seen it reviewed in select locations, but how many others have that would be interested in this type of music? “That’s nice. RC make a new album with 75% new members. Skip.”
Carmangary has a very good point. Additionally, it makes a difference if it is placed in the new releases section of a store with corresponding advertisements versus being buried in the bin with the existing discs.
I also miss the 3 redneck heads on the “newer” albums artwork. I do like the new artwork for sexo. I haven’t listen to sexo yet.
A few points…
1 - Prongs has even bigger Chris Connelly ass kissers than Piss Army’s Al ass kissers. And that’s ALOT. Chris’s book is entertaining as is some of his music, but people here need to give the guy a break…it’s disturbing.
2 - Al has made pish music for quite a while now so surely we all should have expected this new thing to be nothing more nothing less…well maybe more. (pish that is)
3 - 800 is big numbers for crappy Industrial music as far as I’m concerned.
I listened to samples of this new album and it was… boring.
Sounds like Orgy having awkward sex with Marilyn Manson.
[reply1 - Prongs has even bigger Chris Connelly ass kissers than Piss Army’s Al ass kissers. And that’s ALOT. Chris’s book is entertaining as is some of his music, but people here need to give the guy a break…it’s disturbing.
2 - Al has made pish music for quite a while now so surely we all should have expected this new thing to be nothing more nothing less…well maybe more. (pish that is)
3 - 800 is big numbers for crappy Industrial music as far as I’m concerned.[/reply]
I agree. I think a lot of the people laughing in this thread are the last people who should be judging the music of “Ministry” based on its commercial success. Didn’t Special Ed master ‘Flowering Blight’? Has that thing even sold 800 in its entire existence? Ditto with Connelly’s albums…
With that said I think it is completely fucked that the royal whore accused Afra of leaking their album. They are idiots for not releasing the album right after the leak to begin with. Pointing fingers just makes them seem even more pathetic.
They need to face the facts that their old fanbase is completely alienated at this point with all the thrash metal buttrock, fairwell tour false promises, Bush obsession and metal/biker dude posturing, not to mention the way he’s treated Paul and the others. The Piss Army forum is not enough to support them via album sales…