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I’ve had no interest in Revolting Cocks since ‘Linger Ficken…’ which I picked up a few years before the “reincarnation(s)” or whatever you call it.

The big (and vital) 3 are ‘Big Sexy…’, ‘YGDSOAB’ and ‘Beers…’. ‘Linger Ficken Good’ has its moments (like the “cover” of Soundgarden’s ‘Fopp’)

I heard that Fire Engine song a while ago and thought it would have been good on sesame street or something like that. Is that why they use RevCo now instead of Revolting Cocks, as it would be deemed too indecent to make kids music with the latter name?

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Have never had an interest in Revolting Cocks.

Apart from the odd track on Linger Ficken…, they’re a complete yawnfest.

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i don’t understand what happened here i’ve been coming here since ‘98 (i found out about the title of what would become darkspoon here) but why all the hatred ? now i guess chris/afra have personal issues with al but what does that have to do with the music, i mean the new revco is pretty good (i’ve not heard cocked n’ loaded so i can’t compare) why should we be happy that an alternative group on an indie lable has poor sales ? since we are all fan’s here of ‘alternative’ music should’nt we be on there side. we all know how tough it is doing any type of music against the grain and having finacial sucess especially now. i do not know al personally but for those who do and hate him ,the rest of the current revco seem like nice guy’s in there interview they do not hide at all the respect they have for the core revco albums, they put up no front at all and say that there current record is great but could not compare to the classics (the link is on pissarmy under vampire freaks or something) when asked about the whole ‘best record of hypo luxa careeer thing’ the point i’m trying to make is as alternative musicans and fan’s why should we be happy that things are not going so well ?

That’s Prongs for ya.
I find the schadenfreude kind of puzzling too, especially since most of the people here who listened to the album when it leaked enjoyed it.

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i don’t understand what happened here i’ve been coming here since ‘98 (i found out about the title of what would become darkspoon here) but why all the hatred ? now i guess chris/afra have personal issues with al but what does that have to do with the music, i mean the new revco is pretty good (i’ve not heard cocked n’ loaded so i can’t compare) why should we be happy that an alternative group on an indie lable has poor sales ? since we are all fan’s here of ‘alternative’ music should’nt we be on there side. we all know how tough it is doing any type of music against the grain and having finacial sucess especially now. i do not know al personally but for those who do and hate him ,the rest of the current revco seem like nice guy’s in there interview they do not hide at all the respect they have for the core revco albums, they put up no front at all and say that there current record is great but could not compare to the classics (the link is on pissarmy under vampire freaks or something) when asked about the whole ‘best record of hypo luxa careeer thing’ the point i’m trying to make is as alternative musicans and fan’s why should we be happy that things are not going so well ?

Because Al is on autopilot. This is not opinion, it’s a fact…anyone who has ears knows it’s not a change in sound, it’s just lazy.

Whatever talent he is incorporating into anything post-2003, it’s either showing in full-force or he’s going through the numbers. It’s frustrating, because this is a guy most of us have been listening to since we were teenagers. It’s not that we don’t support him, it’s just like KISS at this point - how far can we keep listening to mediocrity before one gives up?

It’s evident that in order to be a fully-fledged supporter of this kind of music, one should just be posting on Piss Army, full-time. And there’s rumblings even Al has said in the past, in private, that he’s basically tailor-making these records for said crowd. It doesn’t help that any negativity doesn’t make it onto that board either…

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it’s a forum, not a fuckfest, these are opinions, but-although I am not at liberty to say exactly why J. fucked so many people so royally (myself included) I don’t have to say nice things about that old goat, and what goes around…

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I don’t hate Al and have absolutely nothing against him. I think he’s an interesting and animated character. It wasn’t Al who blamed me. I’ve never insulted him or insinuated I hate him; I don’t. I am very grateful to have worked with him and Paul.

It’s just when you hear other people in the industry saying ‘oh yeah, they said you caused their drop in sales due to leaking the album early’, how would that make you feel? I did confront but it lead to denials, but I truly believe the people who told me what they heard. I kinda lost all respect.

I haven’t bashed the music because I have not heard any song from them post Rio Grande Blood.

If you’re a band and you think your webmaster caused a drop in your sales, then what does that say about the band? They are that weak that they rely on what is said or done by one person? Unbelievable.

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I don’t think anybody’s complaining about Chris or Afra or anyone with a legitimate gripe.
It’s more the “Ha ha! I don’t know Al Jourgensen, but he is a failure and he’s dragging other talented people down with him! What a riot!” crowd that’s annoying.

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It doesn’t help that in recent years, Al has adopted this bizarre image of a hardened butt-rock hillbilly wino, complete with the silly ‘Uncle Al’ moniker. He can’t seem to give a decent interview anymore without sounding like a backwoods idiot who never got a proper education. Just look at his posts on his new ‘blog’ on the Piss Army forum, they’re embarrasing. There was a time when he gave well-spoken, seemingly thoughtful interviews. These days, it’s “I GOTS ME A LAPTOP…TYPING SUCKS…”, hoo boy.

I personally don’t hate the guy, but his image, personality, flip-flopping attitude towards the farewell tour, and that embarrasing covers album is just subject matter that’s ripe for mocking. It’s like he’s dumbed down Ministry for the newer fans. If you want to eath that shit up, more power to you. I really don’t take all this too seriously - I mean, in the end, he’s just an entertainer - but it’s still disappointing that he didn’t end Ministry on much of a high note.

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I HAVE NOTHING. I WANTED TO WRITE SOMETHING REALLY AMUSING FOR YOUR DELIGHT BUT YOU KNOW WHAT? FUCK YOU, THAT’S WHAT.

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Now THAT would be a blog worth reading.

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I have posted on and off the past few years here. I’m in shock of what I read about whoever blaming Afra of all people for ministry’s low sales. I think that is bullshit and Afra has every right to be upset over that.

Chris Connelly I’m a longtime fan of yours. I have all your solo stuff from your wax trax days. I have to buy that book of yours! One more thing, I come here to hear all to hear all the great different opinions.

Not everybody hates Al here. I don’t hate him. The past few years he has done some shady stuff. That lawsuit against Barker was a joke… eh…

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oh yeah the lawsuit, how did it go?

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It didn’t.

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It doesn’t help that in recent years, Al has adopted this bizarre image of a hardened butt-rock hillbilly wino, complete with the silly ‘Uncle Al’ moniker. He can’t seem to give a decent interview anymore without sounding like a backwoods idiot who never got a proper education. Just look at his posts on his new ‘blog’ on the Piss Army forum, they’re embarrasing. There was a time when he gave well-spoken, seemingly thoughtful interviews. These days, it’s “I GOTS ME A LAPTOP…TYPING SUCKS…”, hoo boy.

LMAO! So fucking true. Ministry used to be, dare I say somewhat geared to the more intellectual fans of heavier music. I know deep down for all his flaws Al is a smart guy, but he sure as hell hasn’t been acting like one lately.

I personally don’t hate the guy, but his image, personality, flip-flopping attitude towards the farewell tour, and that embarrasing covers album is just subject matter that’s ripe for mocking. It’s like he’s dumbed down Ministry for the newer fans. If you want to eat that shit up, more power to you. I really don’t take all this too seriously - I mean, in the end, he’s just an entertainer - but it’s still disappointing that he didn’t end Ministry on much of a high note.

Couldn’t have said it better.

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I’M LEARNING HOW TO KNIT. IT’S MORE DIFFICULT THAN IT LOOKS.

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Truck Meat sounds like it would be the beefier (pun intended) less intelligent cousin to Jesus Built My Hotrod.

Its weird to me that Revco is considered such a party band, the lamp shade on the head crowd, and for everything since the YGDSOAB tour this seems to be the case, but Big Sexy Land i daresay is one of the most political albums Al has ever been involved with. Think about it this album was pre-Twitch and had songs like Union Carbide, 38 that dealt with relevant themes of the time and No Devotion (well arguably No Devotion is timeless) attacking religion.

I don’t mind the new album it is an improvement over the last, but without Danny’s relative’s heads on the cover it is just not the same anymore. (And I like the new artwork.)

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Sticking to the RevCo subject, why doesn’t Al use the redneck heads anymore? Is it because Flesher won’t let him or what?

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Sticking to the RevCo subject, why doesn’t Al use the redneck heads anymore? Is it because Flesher won’t let him or what?

That is what I think, but maybe it could be Al’s way of severing the new band from the past??

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It doesn’t help that in recent years, Al has adopted this bizarre image of a hardened butt-rock hillbilly wino, complete with the silly ‘Uncle Al’ moniker. He can’t seem to give a decent interview anymore without sounding like a backwoods idiot who never got a proper education. Just look at his posts on his new ‘blog’ on the Piss Army forum, they’re embarrasing. There was a time when he gave well-spoken, seemingly thoughtful interviews. These days, it’s “I GOTS ME A LAPTOP…TYPING SUCKS…”, hoo boy.

I personally don’t hate the guy, but his image, personality, flip-flopping attitude towards the farewell tour, and that embarrasing covers album is just subject matter that’s ripe for mocking. It’s like he’s dumbed down Ministry for the newer fans. If you want to eath that shit up, more power to you. I really don’t take all this too seriously - I mean, in the end, he’s just an entertainer - but it’s still disappointing that he didn’t end Ministry on much of a high note.

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BRILLIANTLY put. Exactly what I’ve been bitching about for the last four years.

I hate it when established acts ‘dumb down’ their sound/image to cater for a potential new market. Metallica did it, Kiss did it, Butthole Surfers did it. It’s downright stupid and I can’t think of once instance where a band who has done that has looked back upon it years later with fond memories. It’s always “yeah…we were pretty messed up at that point, we kinda lost focus…”.

Al lost the plot. The glory days were over, the established fanbase had moved on. So, instead of attempting something musically innovative and proving to his one time loyal followers that he was still more than worthy of their adulation, what does he do? He pilfers from the kiddy Korn/Slipknot crowd and starts playing hammy poltically infused butt rock - a shallow reflection of his former self.

Hell, he even ‘dumbed down’ the Ministry logo, making it look like the kind of thing a ‘pissed off’ 15 year old would scribble on his school books to look ‘tough’. Anarchy and peace symbols mixed up as an added ‘hell yeah’ and ‘fuck u’ to authority - in case we didn’t quite get the point in the first place.

Coming from a 50 year old man, it’s downright embarrassing.

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I never considered Revolting Cocks to be a party band. Al was the first one I heard ever call it that. I guess I can see that in the later stuff but I got into it at the start with Big Sexy Land and that album seemed a lot more edgier than most stuff out at the time.

I agree, that was my point Big Sexy Land is pretty serious in tone compared to the other Cocks stuff even with the humorous sample use.