Btw, I made no mention of Voidhead’s comment because I have little time for saying who’s right or wrong. I ain’t here to make enemies, or suck up to any one.
I’m just taking this ‘discussion’ from an angle noone’s brought up yet, without any bias whatsoever; take it as you will.
Btw, I made no mention of Voidhead’s comment because I have little time for saying who’s right or wrong. I ain’t here to make enemies, or suck up to any one.
Listen Evil…you’re either with us…or with the Baboon 3!
It has gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far now to sit on the fence my friend.
Listen Evil…you’re either with us…or with the Baboon 3!
It has gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far now to sit on the fence my friend.
Wait, we actually have a name now? “The Baboon 3”… I like it.
Peligro will be Hitler, I’ll be Mussolini and grmpy can be Francisco Franco.
This is ‘BBW Thread’ epic.
I agree with Evil Dildo that “race” is generally bullshit and a superfluous form of categorization (most forms of categorization are bullshit at heart—it’s just our tendency to try to fit everything into neat little packages clearly labelled to make sense of things).
I was just talking about political correctness, not my views on race. The fact remains that there are double standards and political correctness, like racial designation, is a crock of shit.
The woman looks like a form of ape. I don’t care what the fuck cultural and historical baggage you want to associate with that comment. She does. Saying so is not explicitly racist, nor does the statement imply or convey more meaning than exactly what it says.
My OP was “That looks like a baboon on the left. Does that make me racist?”
The second part did indeed add another dimension to my statement, but it was a rhetorical question, meant as a joke to allude to the fact that many people automatically read more into comments like that than is actually there.
BlueVelvet and Toot have both ignored the core of the “debate” and instead launched offensives to distract from the central question (much like Kevin Rudd—oh the irony!):
Why is comparing a “black” person to an ape (provided they legitimately look like an ape) explicitly “racist”?
Why is it ok for G.W. Bush to be portrayed as a monkey in the media, but not Barack Obama?
I understand there is history involved. I understand that the statement invokes generations of “white” racism against “blacks”.
The reality is, however, that if we ever want to grow up and stop thinking in terms of race, political correctness (along with racism) has to go out the window.
If I can say something about a “white” person I have to be able to say it about a “black” person as well without fear of being censored. Because by censoring people with political correctness, we are in effect prolonging the tendency to lump people into categories—the root of “racism”.
As a “bisexual” (oh how I loathe that term), I could have been offended by Toot’s earlier idiotic use of the word “gay” as a derogatory term. But my view on sexuality is that it is as ambiguous as race and that the terms we’ve constructed for it are just as flimsy. So I just ignored it. And to be fair, his comment was written without the irony and sarcasm of my initial post, so it was actually more offensive.
But of course homosexuals are not yet at the same position as blacks where the word “faggot” has come to carry as much weight and be as much of a politically incorrect no-no as the word “nigger”, so in PC land it’s totally ok (albeit childish and inane) for Toot to say something is “gay” (read: "stupid) but not for me to say a “black” person looks like a monkey. Idiotic really.
I say let’s all say whatever the fuck we want, have a laugh over it, and move the fuck on because these terms and categories are bullshit.
The woman looks like an ape. Saying so doesn’t make me a “racist”, it just makes me an asshole. End of story.
Antidote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqzESY7SIqU
Mick, thank you. Thank you very much. You have made my day.
What do you think the appropriate gesture should be?
Um…throw the monkey a banana!!!
And you listen to sissy dudes like this…
I think it’s pretty obvious who listens to the coolest records on this forum[cool]
I listen to music made by guys like this…
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Watch out Peligro, I’m coming back to the Motherland, be prepared to be inundated with Labor propaganda as I set up camp in Mordialloc.
I’ll leave a light in the window.
There are plenty of public parks and park benches in Mordialloc too. Plenty of bins to start fires in. You’ll feel right at home.
Also, I do believe Safeway has a special on cask wine at the mo’. Help yrself. Good shit if you don’t mind the smell.
I’m talking from having studied the subject.
He doesn’t care Dildo. Shit, I have a B.A in Sociology. Completely this particular subject. The best he can offer by way of debate is to say “No,” and ignore everything else.
Voidhead made no such racist comment. Had Voidhead said ALL Aboriginees look like baboons I would be on your side Toot. I honestly think you’re just stirring up shit.
Because the lady is black you see the comparison as racist whereas if the lady was white and looked like a gorilla you would have nothing to say about it. Which means the defining factor for you is race, which means you are not treating people evenly.
Toot, what do you call that when you have two different standards that you apply to people based on their skin color? Shame on you toot!
BTW I edit my posts so I don’t flood the thread with back to back posts.
Late,
grmpysmrf
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And you listen to sissy dudes like this…
I think it’s pretty obvious who listens to the coolest records on this forum[cool]
I listen to music made by guys like this…
[image]http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb31/dennyschmickle/metalgump.jpg
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Fuck me dead…that dude looks like a KILLER producer!!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Watch out Peligro, I’m coming back to the Motherland, be prepared to be inundated with Labor propaganda as I set up camp in Mordialloc.
I’ll leave a light in the window.
There are plenty of public parks and park benches in Mordialloc too. Plenty of bins to start fires in. You’ll feel right at home.
Also, I do believe Safeway has a special on cask wine at the mo’. Help yrself. Good shit if you don’t mind the smell.[/reply]
Peligro strikes back with the most ugliest racist statement of the thread so far and sits back and chuckles in his lazy-boy armchair while sipping his VB piss-water.
Olsen shows apathy to the statement…
Smurf defends it with his PHD in Warner Brothers Looney Toons.
The world is sooooooo unjust and ugly sometimes!!!
Toot will not rest until this madness stops!!!
Voidhead made no such racist comment.
Smurfy is lookin…but he ain’t seein!
The comment had an ugly racist undercurrent Smurf.
Voidhead was slapped on the wrist for it.
Peligro cheered on the racist nature of it and had multiple orgasms in the process.
Smurf tried (and failed) to argue that the comment had no inkling of a racist nature.
We have a zero tolerence for comparing Black folk to monkeys or suggesting they look as individuals or as a whole like monkeys here in the UK… and I hope it’s the same in the rest of the world.
Racist idiots make fools of themselves at football (soccer for you Smurf) virtually every weekend across Europe and the UK by all making chimp sounds whenever one of the black players in the teams get the ball passed to them. Infact they even do this to black players on their own team??? It’s pure ugly racism and it stinks.
As can be expected you’ll always get some ding-dongs put up the lame argument of…“if they were white folk we were calling a monkey nothing would be done about it??!”
All 3 of the Baboon 3 have been found guilty of being numptys and are sentenced to watch X-Factor for 10hrs straight.
Your punishment is harsh Toot, but fair.
Your punishment is harsh Toot, but fair.
Why thank you green death.
I like to think I’m fair & just.
There has been a new development though…Peligro has shown no remorse for his ugly comments and as such has a sentence of listening to Yothu Yindi’s song “Treaty” for 10hrs straight on top of his X-Factor sentence.
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Watch out Peligro, I’m coming back to the Motherland, be prepared to be inundated with Labor propaganda as I set up camp in Mordialloc.
I’ll leave a light in the window.
There are plenty of public parks and park benches in Mordialloc too. Plenty of bins to start fires in. You’ll feel right at home.
Also, I do believe Safeway has a special on cask wine at the mo’. Help yrself. Good shit if you don’t mind the smell.[/reply]
Holy shit. If there was a jaw drop emoticon that would be here right now. This is the real “hitting a new low” on prongs. I’ve been staying away from this trainwreck but this blatantly racist, and disgusting remark has no place in this world. (either did the monkey comment… seen Clerks II anyone?) I suppose you will try to shrug it off under the guise that it was just said for “shock value”. But bar the “baboon 3” I doubt anyone else will buy the shit your shovelling.
Been listening to too much Burzum lately?
I’m friends with aboriginal australians, fuck me, I married one! Every person of that background I have met has been a decent person, far more than most of the spoiled piece of shit caucasians I know. Aboriginal australian drinking problems are well documented yes… there are most likely an equal or greater percentage of “white australians” that are drunks/wife beaters/abusers etc etc… but all the surveys and research etc… you hear about just gives a general statistic ie. “30% of the population is alcoholic, be careful people”, but if it’s done in an aboriginal community or about that background in general “30% of Aboriginals are alcoholics, we need a plan, round them up, take away the booze, force them into programs, won’t somebody please think of the children!!” I am ashamed of what my ancestors did when they came to this land, it makes me sad that cocks like you would probably prefer that “they” still be classified as fauna.
I don’t know why I bother, your probably just going to read this with a disgusting smirk on your face, knowing how superior you are because you are aligned to the right and you listen to “difficult” music (read: white noise for wankers to name drop).
Hey BlueVelvet, lets ride off into the sunset together with Toot providing the background music. Nothing too DEVASTATING Please Tootster. We can leave peligro etc etc. and their white friends in their bubble talking about how they are not racist because they have a token ethnic friend.
I don’t know why I bother, your probably just going to read this with a disgusting smirk on your face, knowing how superior you are because you are aligned to the right and you listen to “difficult” music (read: white noise for wankers to name drop).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Awesome.
I think Peligro got a little too excited because of his pals supporting this nonsense and thought he could get even more vulgar without too much of a backlash…WRONG!
Seriously though Peligro that was a fucking shocker even for you.
I look forward to hearing what Smurfy & Voidhead have to say about Peligro’s latest statement…this is your chance of redemption by the way guys.
On a side note, why is everyone on this board Australian?
A little off topic but I thought I’d add a bit more positive vibrations to this thread…
There happen to be quite a heap of Australian fans of Ministry on this forum because Ministry happened to be pretty friggin big in Oz/NZ back in 94-95 due to headlining the Big Day Out and being regarded as the “best live band on the planet” at the time.
I imagine the Oz/NZ fans on this forum are by and larger leftovers from that period.
By the way…what happened to Olsen in this thread?
And for your ride into the sunset Stairwell I give you…
Stairwell & BlueVelvet “Stigmata” (Is It Black Enough For You Remix)
Hah, I think that would be a fitting selection thanks Toot!
RE: Aussie Ministry fan, I always say I was born a decade too late, so was too young for the BDO in question. I got into them from watching a RAGE metal special with stuff like Helmet, Soundgarden, NIN, RATM, and of course, Ministry. That special got me into a lot of those bands. Then I saw LORAH Psalm and MIATTT in a 3 pack for $20 or something, so I picked it up.
Listen you whiny pack of bitches, if you think Voidhead’s comment was racist then say your bit and then be done with it. We don’t need page after page of the fuckin’ history of the world and everything the white man has done to exploit indigenous people over the last 300 or so years as summed up by some pissed off Ministry fans. Those who are saying stupid and obnoxious things are obviously just taking the piss and looking to wind you up. Don’t take the bait. You’re provoking them even further into doing so. It’s fucking childish and going nowhere quickly.
Toot, you do obviously have a chip on your shoulder about how black people are treated by whites in general. You’ve turned a discussion on Kevin Rudd into an out and out assault on certain ‘racist’ (???) forum members - projecting your own hangups and insecurities onto others as some sort of therapeutical emotional excercise in exorcising your demons. This forum is probably not the best place to do something like that. Your tirades would be far more suited to the ‘real world’ where they would have ‘real’ effect. Campaign your local council or something. Join Amnesty International. Just quit with the grandstanding and ego centric dishing out of verbal punishment. You moronic fool.
Or is that your problem? You’re a timid little beastie who wouldn’t dare say half the things you harp on about here for fear of getting your head knocked off by people who don’t sit in front of their computers all day, make believing they are saving mankind from ‘racists’?
I’d say that’s probably a little more like it.
It has gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaay too far now to sit on the fence my friend.
At the risk of sounding like a turd… but I reiterate, I weighed my two cents in from a scientific perspective, not one that invited digressive and inane name calling! From what I perceive anyway, fence sitting is nicer than flagpole sitting.
Fuck, I hate that fucking song.
I’ll be Mussolini
I’m going to be massively flamed for this.
But… Fascism in it’s purest form was an Italian ideology and institution. It never revolved around race theory to begin with; moreso, a national identity in which anyone could participate (I shit you not; there were Jews in the Fascist bureaucracy pre-Axis agreement). It only digressed toward the anti-Semitism once we sold our soul to the Germans to protect our arses (something every Italian should be, and remains, ashamed of; the general citizenry at this time was pissed about it, anyway). Anti-semitism was not part of Fascist ideology in it’s purest form.
Hell, Mussolini wanted to align Italy with France in 1930, but was basically overruled by his own bureaucracy. Keep in mind all that anti-Semitic Teutonic diatribe only came to prominence when the ‘Prussians’ lost the 1871 war against France. Jews were scapegoated then by the Germans, and ever since. Consider the fact that Nazi Germany cannot be considered Fascist in any true sense of the word; just like China can’t be considered truly communist. The Nazi’s were an opportunistic almagamation of a series of social control methods extracted from a disparate number of political ideologies; democracy included. I therefore relegate the Nazi’s to the status of politcal irrelevance (however, they are still historically relevant for all the wrong reasons, obviously).
Did Mussolini do a lot of good things for Italy? Whether anyone likes it or not, yes. Don’t get me wrong, acts of brutality did occur, but generally only in the later stages of the war, and usually at the behest of the Germans.
Up until then, the most ‘extreme’ punishments meted out by ‘Fascists’ were not by Fascists themselves, but by their followers; to the extent, that there were fears by the very Fascist bureaucracy itself that these ‘random acts’ could well jeopardise their tenuous grip on power in the early stages, and generally discouraged it. When they did exert force, it was only against dissidents and generally entailed imprisonment and the stripping of their liberty.
Is that the right thing to do? Is that acceptable?
Universally speaking, no. But, how is it our Western democracies have engaged in this behaviour, and worse, against their own people? Even if it is supposedly justified in a ‘state of emergency’?
At the very least, these measures meted out by Mussolini were a dark necessity; Italy was disunified, had no healthcare or education systems, and was in a perpetual state of violence; I’ve heard plenty of stories from the old country about how you couldn’t even take a train without the increased prospect of getting mugged or whatever.
Consider the power we give to the state; read Thomas Hobbe’s ‘Leviathan’ for more insight on this. The reality is, the natural state of man is one that often digresses into disorder and war. Hence, some institution is required to moderate the violent nature of man which in turn requires a forsaking of certain rights to maintain the power of this ‘state’.
In the West, we shouldn’t (but we do [mad]) have to forsake many of our rights to maintain this state; we have a democratic process instituted to the extent of allowing for civic discourse and participation. However, consider what pre-Fascist Italy was; to galvanise the state, this sacrificing of ‘rights’ was needed to a far greater extent to consolidate and guarantee the institution of a state; and from a state, comes order; you cannot deny this.
[b]I put this in bold text, because I want everyone to know this; I am not attempting to be controversial or fuck with anyone. If you find what I’m saying is offensive, that’s fine; tell me your point of view, because I’m open minded enough to be receptive to any points of view that don’t digress into personal attacks.
For that reason, I am able to articulate certain elements of ‘Fascism’ as much as I am able to discredit race theory. At the same time, there is a LITANY of things I see WRONG with Fascism. I remain utterly open minded, without apologies. I believe in nothing, and I follow nothing blindly. If you are going to flame me, so be it, but bear in mind I’m open to whatever it is you have to elucidate me with. [/b]
To Voidhead:
Why is it ok for G.W. Bush to be portrayed as a monkey in the media, but not Barack Obama?
I understand there is history involved. I understand that the statement invokes generations of “white” racism against “blacks”.
The reality is, however, that if we ever want to grow up and stop thinking in terms of race, political correctness (along with racism) has to go out the window.
I generally disagree with you on a lot of things, but Voidhead does make a good point here.
Don’t get me wrong, I disagree that political correctness has to go out the window totally.
I believe there should be a political sensitivity. There is no doubt certain cultures have borne the brunt of the policies or injustices of another culture.
There is no doubt certain peoples have copped a lot of shit because of the way they look, speak or think, and it’s often relative to culture. You can’t to throw political correctness out of the window, tread on peoples toes and think that’s going to fix the problem.
But at the same time, extreme political correctness and hypersensitivity DEFINITELY exacerbates the problem; it ends up feeding into racism.
Look at ‘wogs’ in Australia for example. My parents and grandparents copped a lot of shit when they first came here. But now, we don’t even consider the term wog offensive; we laughed at it. It became a big cultural joke. And, in effect, it lost it’s power. It’s a way of really sticking it to the man.
Laughter; the most disabling and empowering emotion in existence. The laughing Buddha. The laughing Jesus.
But of course homosexuals are not yet at the same position as blacks where the word “faggot” has come to carry as much weight and be as much of a politically incorrect no-no as the word “nigger”, so in PC land it’s totally ok (albeit childish and inane) for Toot to say something is “gay” (read: "stupid) but not for me to say a “black” person looks like a monkey. Idiotic really.
Hate to say it Toot, but how come you haven’t responded to this? Voidhead does make a good point, and you know it. You’ve talked non stop about racial prejudice and injustice, yet… you haven’t addressed this ‘issue’.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t go around telling people what’s right and wrong and what they should do in everyday life, but when other people do…
and don’t hold it against me tho, Toot, I still love you and want to birth your children through my anal cavity.
What do you think the appropriate gesture should be?
To carmangary:::
first priority for education and health; with regards to education, not a ‘well, if they wanna go to uni or college, let em go in with half the normal requirements’; just the appropriate institutions which cater to their culture and eventually assimilate them toward higher education (if anyone twists my use of the word assimilate, fuck them, because it goes hand in hand with equality; concessions do not).
Listen you whiny pack of bitches, if you think Voidhead’s comment was racist then say your bit and then be done with it. We don’t need page after page of the fuckin’ history of the world and everything the white man has done to exploit indigenous people over the last 300 or so years as summed up by some pissed off Ministry fans. Those who are saying stupid and obnoxious things are obviously just taking the piss and looking to wind you up. Don’t take the bait. You’re provoking them even further into doing so. It’s fucking childish and going nowhere quickly.
WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN WIN TO OOOOOOLLLLSEEEENNN!
I have tried to avoid childish namecalling, or any bullshit.
I will say it again; I’ve just offered a rational, open minded and historically and scientifically conscious perspective.
There is no bias in what I am saying; hence, noone here can accuse me of taking sides.
