I like it but it’s still new NIN sounding which isn’t really what I want to hear from Trent.
Well, it is new. If you wanna hear “old” NIN there’s 7-8 albums that came out before this one along with some EPs/remix albums.
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I like it but it’s still new NIN sounding which isn’t really what I want to hear from Trent.
Well, it is new. If you wanna hear “old” NIN there’s 7-8 albums that came out before this one along with some EPs/remix albums.[/reply]
No shit dude.
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I like it but it’s still new NIN sounding which isn’t really what I want to hear from Trent.
Well, it is new. If you wanna hear “old” NIN there’s 7-8 albums that came out before this one along with some EPs/remix albums.[/reply]
No shit dude.[/reply]
Then why are you stilling wanting?
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I like it but it’s still new NIN sounding which isn’t really what I want to hear from Trent.
Well, it is new. If you wanna hear “old” NIN there’s 7-8 albums that came out before this one along with some EPs/remix albums.[/reply]
No shit dude.[/reply]
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Because I’m an optimistic. Just like Ministry. All I ask is for like 1 or maybe 2 really good songs. Haven’t really heard that from either of them over the last 10 years. I dig Only & Watch Yourself and a few more from both camps but can it be done again…of course it can.
^Not sure it can be done by Ministry, but Trent might still have it in him. I think the 00’s were much kinder to Trent than they were to Al. I’d rather listen to NIN from that period over Ministry and RevCo (excluding Animosity of course)
RevCo, if you’re already prematurely jaded toward this album why are you unwittingly its cheerleader by boasting its album artwork as your avatar?
Loving “Copy of A”. No, it’s far from a reinvention from what he puts through the turnstiles. What it is is a really good song. I’ll go ahead here and shamelessly namedrop Remain in Light with its poly-rhythms as sounding like it had some influence on this recording. The live version heard on the festival dates had a more dynamic energy but this studio one also wets my appetite just fine and dandy for the album release. It’s essentially the album opener, typically reserved for the heavy hitter. We will see what the rest’s in store in three weeks.
Loving “Copy of A”. No, it’s far from a reinvention from what he puts through the turnstiles. What it is is a really good song. . We will see what the rest’s in store in three weeks.
Fuck, I really liked that song. Impressed so far. Much better than his usual whiny bullshit.
RevCo, if you’re already prematurely jaded toward this album why are you unwittingly its cheerleader by boasting its album artwork as your avatar?
Because I’m still a fan and hopeful I’ll hear something I like.
Studio version of “Copy of A” came out for free for Amazon.uk yesterday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSomIodjPKg#at=123
I like it way more now that I can really hear all of the subtle sounds.
It’s ok. Like Peligro said, it’s better than usual. Doesn’t sound as whiny or attention seeking as before. It’s a bit more subdued.
I know there’s something of a wide gulf on this forum with regards to NIN. There’s a lot of love and a lot of hate. It seems that on this forum the subject of Trent Reznor’s artistic merits is somewhat polarizing.
I can understand that. I like the Broken e.p, The Downward Spiral and The Fragile. Not “love” just “like”. He’s ok. Lyrically pretty emo though. I’ve always thought Trent’s lyrics read like a depressed 15 year old’s diary.
“God is dead and no one cares”
“I hurt myself today to see if I still feel…”
“Nothing can stop me now…cos I don’t care anymore”
Jeez fella. That’s pretty puerile shit.
It’s ok. Like Peligro said, it’s better than usual. Doesn’t sound as whiny or attention seeking as before. It’s a bit more subdued.
I know there’s something of a wide gulf on this forum with regards to NIN. There’s a lot of love and a lot of hate. It seems that on this forum the subject of Trent Reznor’s artistic merits is somewhat polarizing.
I can understand that. I like the Broken e.p, The Downward Spiral and The Fragile. Not “love” just “like”. He’s ok. Lyrically pretty emo though. I’ve always thought Trent’s lyrics read like a depressed 15 year old’s diary.
“God is dead and no one cares”
“I hurt myself today to see if I still feel…”
“Nothing can stop me now…cos I don’t care anymore”
Jeez fella. That’s pretty puerile shit.
Don’t forget the deathless poetry of “That’s What I Get.”
“Whinier than Trent Reznor’s LiveJournal” really should be a thing.
Don’t forget the deathless poetry of “That’s What I Get.”
Wait til you hear the demo if you haven’t already. The instrumental on it fits the lyrics better than the Skinny Puppy knockoff on Pretty Hate Machine. I actually prefer this version.
I really hate to beat the dead horse on him and SP, but there are a couple moments besides Down In It where he’s got that sound that people neglect to mention. The “Dig It” guitar comes back in “Kinda I Want To.” Also the chorus of Ringfinger is where it’s at it’s worst.
As much as I have dissed NIN in the past - if the rest of the new material is as good as what has already been released then - oh hell - could it be possible that I will actually invest money in a new NIN release???
Could that be possible? Can that really happen?
I feel like I’ve woken up in an episode of The Twilight Zone where up is down and left is backward.
[reply]Don’t forget the deathless poetry of “That’s What I Get.”
Wait til you hear the demo if you haven’t already. The instrumental on it fits the lyrics better than the Skinny Puppy knockoff on Pretty Hate Machine. I actually prefer this version.
I really hate to beat the dead horse on him and SP, but there are a couple moments besides Down In It where he’s got that sound that people neglect to mention. The “Dig It” guitar comes back in “Kinda I Want To.” Also the chorus of Ringfinger is where it’s at it’s worst.[/reply]
I think the song you’re thinking of is the original “Kinda I Want To” which is very new-waveish. That’s the only demo that is night and day between the demo and album version. But yeah, Trent has admitted countless times that “Down In It” is a rip off of “Dig It”. I suppose parts of “That’s What I Get” have a similar synth vibe that “Testure” has. “Ringfinger” sounds creepy at parts but doesn’t remind me of any particular Puppy Song.
I think overall Pretty Hate Machine borrows more from the first few Ministry records than anything else. When he released “Broken” he was also following in Al’s footsteps.
He did a good thing with “The Downward Spiral” and “The Fragile”. For me, those are his defining albums.
I think PHM borrows a lot more from Skinny Puppy and Broken seems to be more heavily influenced by Ministry but a much more melodic “pop” structured (but not really) Ministry. After that is when he started developing his own sound/style or at least something less obviously influenced by other bands. But even on With Teeth you can hear influences of Sonic Youth and some My Bloody Valentine (both of which he admitted were an influence and/or he was listening a lot of during writing and recording, if I remember right).
I kind of wonder if people would see “Down In It” as such an obvious Skinny Puppy rip-off if Trent himself hadn’t said it was an obvious rip-off. Yeah, they probably would because it pretty damn obvious.
Pretty Hate Machine is cheesy as fuck and shameless lyrically. but that’s also a part of it’s charm, in a weird way (“While the devil tries to fuck me in the back of his car” - fucking awesome!). It’s got some really cheesy, embarrassing lyrics. Considering he was around my age when he made it, I cannot imagine putting that shit to tape. I would be mortified after:
How could you turn me into this?
After you just taught me how to kiss you.
I told you I’d never say goodbye.
Now I’m slipping on the tears you made me cry.
Yeah, I’d have to be around 16 to really take that shit seriously and record it. Oh, LAWD!!!
I’d say it’s a full on rip off of Twitch and Puppy’s Mind album. It’s a pop album. And i’ve said this countless times that Trent is and has always been weak when it comes to lyrics. Music and production have always been his strong suit. Cheesy lyrics aside, PHM is one catchy album, and still a pretty fun listen.
And I never imagined someone could put Broken and “pop” in the same sentence… That’s like calling Psalm 69 or Mind a pop album.
I’d say it’s a full on rip off of Twitch and Puppy’s Mind album. It’s a pop album. And i’ve said this countless times that Trent is and has always been weak when it comes to lyrics. Music and production have always been his strong suit. Cheesy lyrics aside, PHM is one catchy album, and still a pretty fun listen.
And I never imagined someone could put Broken and “pop” in the same sentence… That’s like calling Psalm 69 or Mind a pop album.
I’d say it’s not. It’s got it’s own thing going on. You’d never hear a song like “Something I Can Ever Have” on a Ministry or SP album from that time. And it’s far more poppy and sometimes more intelligent than both “Twitch” or “Mind: The perpetual…” - in my opinion, at least. It’s an unashamed, blatant, pop album made in 1989.
He’s not at all weak when it comes to lyrics. His first album contains some cringe worthy shit but it’s clear he’s not attempting fucking poetry. I’ve always loved his lyrics because of how brutally honest they can be (even if they can by cringe-worthy). Hurt, Right Where it Belongs, In this Twilight, The Great Below, Last, We’re in this Together, Head Down, Something I Can Never Have, etc. that motherfucker can write lyrics that hit hard into your emodeathmasculinecryingalone soul… and you know it!
Who put “Broken” and “pop” in the same sentence or called “Broken” a pop album? In fact, I was calling it an obvious influence of the supposed “non-pop” Ministry albums you’d listed. But despite how heavy and abrasive TR’s songs can be many of them still have a pop structure hidden beneath the layers, which is why you can listen to some of the songs written years ago and still hear something new or have a completely different reaction to a song you’ve heard a million times before.
This will read as defensive:
By nature of it moving millions of copies Pretty Hate Machine has become, seemingly since its initial success this figurative titan that the bored and spiteful have tried to get their pulleys in and bring down. An album that people obsess over every song trying to tear apart and listen for plagiarist ideas that maybe just aren’t as strong as naysayers have believed.
“Dig It” is as much “Down In It” as any song off Public Enemy’s first album. “Something I Can Never Have” does not or has no passing similarity to any Swans song, let alone “In My Garden”. With Reznor’s roots so deeply entrenched in the synth pop mold, I think it’s more spiritually connected to several of Rio’s angst-laden anthemics than the sound typically associated with Skinny Puppy’s classic albums. More than a passing Prince influence as well (as freely admitted in the original liner notes). It’s snobby to say but maybe a lot of the petty accusations lodged at NIN and Pretty Hate Machine are borne out of rivets not straying too far from their genre and…reaching.
^ Makes sense.
This will read as defensive:
By nature of it moving millions of copies Pretty Hate Machine has become, seemingly since its initial success this figurative titan that the bored and spiteful have tried to get their pulleys in and bring down. An album that people obsess over every song trying to tear apart and listen for plagiarist ideas that maybe just aren’t as strong as naysayers have believed.
“Dig It” is as much “Down In It” as any song off Public Enemy’s first album. “Something I Can Never Have” does not or has no passing similarity to any Swans song, let alone “In My Garden”. With Reznor’s roots so deeply entrenched in the synth pop mold, I think it’s more spiritually connected to several of Rio’s angst-laden anthemics than the sound typically associated with Skinny Puppy’s classic albums. More than a passing Prince influence as well (as freely admitted in the original liner notes). It’s snobby to say but maybe a lot of the petty accusations lodged at NIN and Pretty Hate Machine are borne out of rivets not straying too far from their genre and…reaching.
PHM Is Trent’s only good record. That is all. You are dismissed.
[size 0]and here comes atom with tears streaming down his face and gesticulating his arms wildly to call me silly names and tell me why over the top opinions aren’t welcome now that he’s the new sheriff in town. Unless, of course their his over the top opinions. [/size]
Late,
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I hope this shit leaks soon or they stream the album before it’s released like HTDA did.