My apologies...

Everything here has become so ‘suburban’. So average, so ordinary. Everything is “trendy”. Everyone is “trendy”. Even politicians and old people. Everyone likes what everyone else likes. Culture here has become one big homogenised, sanitised dollop of sickeningl cream.

Everything that was once unique/special/interesting is now being closed down, sold off and turned into appartments or crappy neon clubs and bars that serve $40 drinks, play rubbish r’n’b and are populated by “happening” aggressive, beautiful people with hyper manic personalities, six figure salaries and NO clue. About anything.

I’m actually excited about seeing Dinosaur Jr in a few weeks - a has been indie band that I haven’t cared about in years…because, well, there’s NOTHING else to do or see or hear. (Well, I could stand on King Street at 1am and wait around for approximately 5 minutes before being bashed half to death by drunken bogans hopping from club to club. I’d get a free ambulance ride and trip to casualty. That’d be fun!)

A mate and I were laughing our asses off last night when we realised that there is now ONE place in Melbourne where you can buy a Merzbow cd (just using that as an example). One half decent place left to go rekkid shopping - and how long before THAT closes and is replaced by a Boost Juice or trendy sneaker outlet?

All you can do is laugh really. Laugh or go mad.

Everything here has become so ‘suburban’. So average, so ordinary. Everything is “trendy”. Everyone is “trendy”. Even politicians and old people. Everyone likes what everyone else likes. Culture here has become one big homogenised, sanitised dollop of sickeningl cream.

Everything that was once unique/special/interesting is now being closed down, sold off and turned into appartments or crappy neon clubs and bars that serve $40 drinks, play rubbish r’n’b and are populated by “happening” aggressive, beautiful people with hyper manic personalities, six figure salaries and NO clue. About anything.

I’m actually excited about seeing Dinosaur Jr in a few weeks - a has been indie band that I haven’t cared about in years…because, well, there’s NOTHING else to do or see or hear. (Well, I could stand on King Street at 1am and wait around for approximately 5 minutes before being bashed half to death by drunken bogans hopping from club to club. I’d get a free ambulance ride and trip to casualty. That’d be fun!)

A mate and I were laughing our asses off last night when we realised that there is now ONE place in Melbourne where you can buy a Merzbow cd (just using that as an example). One half decent place left to go rekkid shopping - and how long before THAT closes and is replaced by a Boost Juice or trendy sneaker outlet?

All you can do is laugh really. Laugh or go mad.

Maybe you should move out of Australia? It doesn’t seem like the ideal place if you want artsy cutting edge bizarro culture.

And I don’t think it’s so crazy to live in a city where you can’t buy a Merzbow cd.

I think a lot of people who are into alt./“outsider” culture are a bit jaded because of how far this stuff came in the last few decades. It was only in early '00s that the wave finally broke.

Everything that was once unique/special/interesting is now being closed down, sold off and turned into appartments or crappy neon clubs and bars that serve $40 drinks, play rubbish r’n’b and are populated by “happening” aggressive, beautiful people with hyper manic personalities, six figure salaries and NO clue. About anything.

SPOT ON.

Seriously, this is the sad state of melbourne. Don’t know about the rest of oz, or the world, for that matter.

I’d be curious to see what people think about their cities?

because, well, there’s NOTHING else to do or see or hear.

Sort of disagree. There’s some great stuff going on. It’s just becoming increasingly sporadic and difficult to find.
There simply isn’t enough support for anything that isn’t a shitty covers band or indie electro.

All people want to pay to see and hear these days on the live scene is shitty covers bands, retro rock or funky beats played by beautiful people.

Probably no different from most other cities in western nations.

I’ll just stay in bedroom and listen to noise rock and be at peace with the world.

[:)]

I was notified that someone randomly put this up on youtube…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt2R25DT-mQ

I’m grinding, my pal Julian is drumming, Lennie is screaming and making noises on a keyboard, and my guitar is just looping turd…

I think fire hazards at gigs will become a regular fixture. [laugh]

Everything here has become so ‘suburban’. So average, so ordinary. Everything is “trendy”. Everyone is “trendy”. Even politicians and old people. Everyone likes what everyone else likes. Culture here has become one big homogenised, sanitised dollop of sickeningl cream.

Everything that was once unique/special/interesting is now being closed down, sold off and turned into appartments or crappy neon clubs and bars that serve $40 drinks, play rubbish r’n’b and are populated by “happening” aggressive, beautiful people with hyper manic personalities, six figure salaries and NO clue. About anything.

I’m actually excited about seeing Dinosaur Jr in a few weeks - a has been indie band that I haven’t cared about in years…because, well, there’s NOTHING else to do or see or hear. (Well, I could stand on King Street at 1am and wait around for approximately 5 minutes before being bashed half to death by drunken bogans hopping from club to club. I’d get a free ambulance ride and trip to casualty. That’d be fun!)

A mate and I were laughing our asses off last night when we realised that there is now ONE place in Melbourne where you can buy a Merzbow cd (just using that as an example). One half decent place left to go rekkid shopping - and how long before THAT closes and is replaced by a Boost Juice or trendy sneaker outlet?

All you can do is laugh really. Laugh or go mad.

UNtill youmentioned australia, I thought you were talking about the US. I think it’s basically the same the world over. There is no underground like the old. Best buy and the bunch shot and then Amazon killed the indie stores (selling used cds the indies last big movers).
Nobody goes to see local live music really, and clubs rather pay a dj, if that. Some places just put on mix cds. Sad , but what can you do. The exposure of the internet really has made this a one world mind in alot of aspects from what people are into, to how people talk and communicate.

shit i was just reading sunset strip in california has this thing now where the major hotels have an offer where you can get a vip pass to all the big local hangouts and “party like a rockstar” basically. CBGB’s sucked ass for those of us who’ve actuallybeen there. After the brief peak in the 80’s it was a shithole. But it became a brand and now chain restraurants based on the place are supposed to start popping up, starting in vegas. Wonder if the long hall with the 3 steps and the toilet at the top w/no door is going to be part of the “experience”. Anything and everything is now marketable, a product, retro. kitch is just another way of saying youlike something shitty and mainstrream but you hide behind a wall of supposed irony… eh nevermind i’m getting worked up.

Phonies are everywhere, disregard them or slate them. There’s no point in living in the past, listening to old music and remembering the past is cool but trying to relive it is sad. When people go on about looking for a “retro” experience or want to relive the same thing over and over they are socially bankrupt. They’ve got nothing new to offer, and are mere pawns. I wouldn’t let new ways of buying music radically alter how I want to enjoy it or with whom. I wouldn’t even accept the argument that it’s changed the “scene” for the worse. It can’t stay the same all the time, just need to find new ways of interacting. If anything it presents a challenge and forces us to be more creative which is a good thing.

Nevermind.

@ evil dildo: that grinding was like watching a machine take a piss, that’s the first thing that struck me. Was that done on purpose? Either way a urinating machine is an interesting concept for a live performance. Might work as a subconscious thing and make everyone want to take a leak after watching.

‘The Last Warehouse on the Left’ :

“Ok Grinder, piss your pants!”

UNtill youmentioned australia, I thought you were talking about the US. I think it’s basically the same the world over. There is no underground like the old. Best buy and the bunch shot and then Amazon killed the indie stores (selling used cds the indies last big movers).
Nobody goes to see local live music really, and clubs rather pay a dj, if that. Some places just put on mix cds

It’s interesting to hear this, and I think yer summation hits the nail square on the head. It’s also a bit depressing too. But no use being pissed about it. It can still be done, and I reckon the internet has been a great means of getting the underground up and running again… to a certain extent.

People are more than happy to exchanges messages, comments, download, etc, but I find the bands and that don’t often go to each others gigs unless they’re really close mates. That’s why the scene’s killed a bit… it’s a lot easier for people just to stay behind a computer. But, I will admit that I’ve gotten to know some people well just from seeing them at a lot of gigs, but not as many as I’d imagine it would have been like ‘back in the day’… ([crazy] at that cliche…)

Phonies are everywhere, disregard them or slate them. There’s no point in living in the past, listening to old music and remembering the past is cool but trying to relive it is sad. When people go on about looking for a “retro” experience or want to relive the same thing over and over they are socially bankrupt.

It’s funny, Mick. These bands will get a few gigs here and there, and maybe a bit of a following, but they never really ‘go anywhere’. They never take the world/scene/whatever by storm, because it’s like the old saying goes, ‘you can’t fool all the people all the time’. Even if it does get to a massively popular level, it’ll only last for so long before everyone moves onto something else and forgets about it.

that grinding was like watching a machine take a piss, that’s the first thing that struck me. Was that done on purpose? Either way a urinating machine is an interesting concept for a live performance. Might work as a subconscious thing and make everyone want to take a leak after watching.

I never thought of it like that… but I’m going to do it more and more. I’ll grind my way to the top, like an 18 year old Latina in the seediest of strip clubs. Until then, it’s piano lessons for little children during the week… [:(]

Oh yeah. And I found out that from the gig, my girlfriend’s [u][i]eardrums perforated[/u][/i] and the humidity in the air made it a ripe place for an infection.

I actually felt like quite the cunt. [blush][:(]

Oh yeah. And I found out that from the gig, my girlfriend’s [u][i]eardrums perforated[/u][/i] and the humidity in the air made it a ripe place for an infection.

I actually felt like quite the cunt. [blush][:(]

That FUCKING SUCKS!!!
While you should feel bad for her situation it’s not really your fault. you didn’t make her stay there.
I do hope she has insurance to get that taken care of though!!
Late,
grmpysmrf

[reply]Oh yeah. And I found out that from the gig, my girlfriend’s [u][i]eardrums perforated[/u][/i] and the humidity in the air made it a ripe place for an infection.

I actually felt like quite the cunt. [blush][:(]

That FUCKING SUCKS!!!
While you should feel bad for her situation it’s not really your fault. you didn’t make her stay there.
I do hope she has insurance to get that taken care of though!!
Late,
grmpysmrf[/reply]

Don’t need insurance we’re in Australia, free healthcare, woot woot. If we don’t have insurance there is sometimes a wait though.

Hola,

rather than be a pain in the arse and start a new thread, I thought I’d bump this one.

I recorded 8 new songs. 5 of them are up on the myspace, the other 3 + 3 old ones are waiting to go up, but are a bit fucked post-mastering.

There’s a bit of everything. Most people tend to like one song, but hate the other, and vice versa. It’s all up in shittily compressed mp3 files at www.myspace.com/danieltucceri

I would honestly love to hear what anyone thinks. I’m actually eager to hear criticism, moreso than compliments.

Keeping in mind this was all recorded in a bedroom. Where bad, bad things happened.

Also, if anyone in Melbourne is bored shitless on Good Friday… (and/or not eating meat. thank LORD i’m a lapsed catholic…)

I’m hoping to be able to source enough pieces of metal to make a massive crucifix (struggling so far). If I fail, irrespective there will be grinding, and I will, take note of this Akbar, be shaving my head like the Monks and wearing the robes and all.

It shall be fucked. Pity my girlfriend, pity the poor, yet strong willed, lass.

You’re a bit of a talented fucker evil, I’ll say that much. The stuff you’re doing with guitar on the second video on your page looks cool (maybe because I am very fond of reverb) but can probably only be appreciated fully by being there. As regards the songs I can’t judge too much mainly because of the quality of the recording but in saying that it’s obvious there’s good things going on within them. Your vox are your own, you’re not just imitating someone else and listeners will be able to distinguish you straight away. As for the compositions you’re able to pull it together well (but again sound quality don’t do it justice, probably because of this the layering of vox does not come across smoothly, Barker’s most recent song was the same).

I lol’d at the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs, mainly the pic for the song. I laugh my way through trauma, becuase that video was nauseating. If you were a sick cunt you’d incorporate noises from the murder and use the video on stage… but I am not encouraging that, unless you want instantaneous pools of vomit on the floor. I couldn’t make out much of the lyrics but am curious what they are. If you don’t want to share them it’s grand.

All the best with that gig anyway and make sure to eat plenty of raw meat on stage, throw it out to your audience and just revel all round in an orgy of sacrilege. If you get the Monks haircut, photo that shit for posterity. On a side note, last Halloween a good friend of mine dressed up as a priest brandishing a large dildo through his fly. There are photos. This guy has political ambition and if he follows through on it he’ll probably end up Prime Minister… this means that I don’t have to worry about unemployment in the future as that dildo will come back to haunt him. You could say it was an evil dildo…

tumbleweeds

I’ll get me coat.

I’ve not looked at any of the videos or listened to any tracks, but I’m digging your flyers, Sir.

Australia needs to be physically annexed to California.

God dammit.

Thanks for the compliments, Mick, and I’m glad you dug it. You’re right about having to be there… I find it sort of loses it’s impact if it’s recorded, which is why I’ll never go into the studio with that stuff.

Speaking of the studio and recording quality, it was all done in a bedroom. I pretty much paid for it in a nylon string guitar instead of absinthe this time… [laugh]

I lol’d at the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs, mainly the pic for the song. I laugh my way through trauma, becuase that video was nauseating. If you were a sick cunt you’d incorporate noises from the murder and use the video on stage… but I am not encouraging that, unless you want instantaneous pools of vomit on the floor. I couldn’t make out much of the lyrics but am curious what they are. If you don’t want to share them it’s grand

It’s funny, because I came up with the song, and it reminded me of what I’d read about the DM’s. I’ve never watched the video, and I refuse to, for a bunch of pretentious ‘moral’ reasons or whatever. Seeing the beheading videos from Iraq was bad and regretful enough.

Instead, the song was pretty much two minutes of ad-libbed screaming cut and pasted together after a shitload of takes, with the ‘chorus’ written on the fly.

I was pretty much saying everything I’d felt about my old ‘bandmates’, as well as going over some certain things they’d done. The ‘potential rapist’ part isn’t a joke; the girl at the centre of it is still coming to terms with what happened. Nor is the ‘call the cops’ part, which did end up happening. Another satisfying aspect of the recording was the fact we used to play these songs together; I wrote about 95% of the stuff, and it got to the point where they pretty much didn’t come up with anything and I was showing them how to play stuff. Then shit blew up, and they went around saying I ‘stole their ideas’… right. So rather than retaliate over the internet or whatever, I figured I’d actually go out there and do it.

All I can make out of the lyrics are…
[i]Just a potential rapist
How can you live with what you did?
And look in your sister’s eyes
And pretend that you are a man
When the truth is you maggot
You’re nothing more than common scum
Better call the cops, here I come!

You meant shit to me, no more than just a stain, in my brain
Truth be told, as our lives all unfold, they’ll contradict your lies

Just a fag hearted soft cock
How can you show your fucking face
And act so fucking sincere
When you haven’t learnt a damn thing
But you will when we cross paths
And trade blows and exchange our knives
But my hatred means I’ll survive

Gutless heartless soulless softcocks
Run with hounds and sly as the fox
Gutless heartless useless faggots
Prey on dead like newborn maggots’[/i]

Yeah. Pure James Joyce there. And Peligro, before you make fun of me, may I remind thee of ‘Hooker with a Penis?’. [;)]

All the best with that gig anyway and make sure to eat plenty of raw meat on stage, throw it out to your audience and just revel all round in an orgy of sacrilege. If you get the Monks haircut, photo that shit for posterity. On a side note, last Halloween a good friend of mine dressed up as a priest brandishing a large dildo through his fly. There are photos. This guy has political ambition and if he follows through on it he’ll probably end up Prime Minister

Interestingly, the first gig began with a very, very special friend of mine throwing a massive piece of meat at my freshly drycleaned suit. SIGH!

I shall take a photo of it, and I’d love to see photos of yer friend. That sounds absolutely briliant. There are photos of me dressed as a nun, drunk as a skunk and stuck up in a tree… but the dildo makes it worthwhile.
Gee… imagine if our good ol’ PM Rudd had photos like that in his closet… wouldn’t that be ravishing?

that dildo will come back to haunt him. You could say it was an evil dildo…

Aren’t they all?

I’ve not looked at any of the videos or listened to any tracks, but I’m digging your flyers, Sir.

Gunnar, my lady’s responsible for that. She’s got more up at www.myspace.com/mechamel, and a shitload more at home, but she hasn’t bothered to scan em yet.

Australia needs to be physically annexed to California.

God dammit.

This is physically IMPOSSIBLE, Mr B.

However, I’m all for you physically annexing your hoo-hoo-dilly to my cha-cha. [:)] On the house.

I pretty much paid for it in a nylon string guitar

lol, I remember my nylon days.

Wait, I sound like a tranny…

Since you’re into like “real singing” you should work on your voice more. Needs some reverb, though listening to “Without a Care in the World” sounds like you used it there. I can’t tell too much I’m listening on a laptop at work.

The real singing thing grates on me sometimes it feels old fashioned but I get it. The vibe I get from this stuff is like “I am a real musician. I’m actually talented and can play instruments” vs my stuff which is more like “I’m a villain and a bullshit con artist” This is like musician’s music if you catch what I mean.

I’d prefer more programmed beats and that kind of shit over the real drumming, but that’s just my personal preference. Either way I think you need more programming in your music. Sampling. Weird sounds. Whatever. It’s too straight-up-rock-Mr.-Bungle-type-shit at times. But again that’s my personal taste. It just feels a bit old fashioned when you combine the real musicianship, the “real singing” vocals, the instrumentation, and all.

The vocals are good but with the yelling you should layer multiple takes to make it sound more powerful/less like a dude standing in a room yelling losing his voice. If you gang them it tends to make it more anthemic and less wimpy like on the chorus of my song “Cocaine Cliche”

Love the noisey dirge at the end of “Euclid Ouroboros”

I think you should allow Ministry and that ilk to influence your music more in terms of incorporating electronics into a rock context. I see you already stole Al’s cattle head on the mic stand thing lol :stuck_out_tongue:

“Without a Care in the World” is a really great song, kind of get this gross vibe like you are making out with the listener when they hear it.

“blahblahblah Maniacs” (the last song) is really good. I like the reverbed yelling black metal type stuff better than the clean yelling losing your voice stuff on the first song.

The lyrics are a bit juvenile but I am certainly in no position to throw stones there. I think the genuine anger comes across because when you’re actually angry you tend to be more blunt lyrically and it shows there. So I think it works.

This shit’s really good man. I would love to collaborate with you.

I am on some new shit myself that I’ll put up soon. I’ve been doing a lot of different things with different people. I’m doing more pop type stuff. I did a rock track that’s really pop-ish and also a fucking rap track. This rapper I’m working with stays in a hostel in nyc and brought 2 germans he met over last night. The chick was a great singer and played sick keyboards and the dude rapped in German. The song is like an Industrial Hip Hop Jazz Rock song. I rapped a verse in it as well lol

Plus the stuff I did with the now-officially-homeless (the girl he’s fucking kicked him out I heard…I think he’s sleeping on trains) noise rock guitarist which is more like Big Black meets Nine Inch Nails with a bit of a modern pop sensibility.

EDIT - this post was all stream of consciousness I typed my thoughts as I listened so I was just being honest. I think you’re stuff is really good so don’t take it the wrong way. Just being critical because that’s what you wanted. You are obviously a way more skilled musician.

Thanks Voidhead for the honest comments and for not really holding back. It’s much appreciated, no sarcasm at all there.

Since you’re into like “real singing” you should work on your voice more. Needs some reverb, though listening to “Without a Care in the World” sounds like you used it there. I can’t tell too much I’m listening on a laptop at work.

A couple of people have said the same thing, that the vocals were the Achille’s Hell. I could get lessons but… that would be lame. And expensive.

Ya either gots it or ya dont!!! [laugh]

The real singing thing grates on me sometimes it feels old fashioned but I get it. The vibe I get from this stuff is like “I am a real musician. I’m actually talented and can play instruments” vs my stuff which is more like “I’m a villain and a bullshit con artist” This is like musician’s music if you catch what I mean.

A friend of mine was really ripping into me for this, pretty much saying ‘why don’t you just write simple, stop showing off, a hundred notes don’t make it awesome, etc etc.’

I tried to explain to him that songs literally just came out as they did. No thought behind it, they just come out that way. You’d know what that’s like.
And to be honest, they’re not really complicated to play. Just lots of changes, I spose. I mean, all the guitar solos were improvised, so it’s not like I was trying make this amazingly perfect ‘classical’ composition or whatever. Just came out without any real pretense, other than getting the song finished.

I’d prefer more programmed beats and that kind of shit over the real drumming, but that’s just my personal preference. Either way I think you need more programming in your music. Sampling. Weird sounds. Whatever. It’s too straight-up-rock-Mr.-Bungle-type-shit at times. But again that’s my personal taste. It just feels a bit old fashioned when you combine the real musicianship, the “real singing” vocals, the instrumentation, and all.

I actually loathe programmed beats. Hate them, unless it’s the Aphex Twin, Autechre, glitchy trippy beats sound. I generally will never do it. It’s too tedious, time consuming and I find it to be a pretty uninspired process.

But sampling would’ve been cool. And more weird sounds… yeah, I could’ve done a little more with all of this, but I didn’t wanna go Chinese Democracy on it.

I think you should allow Ministry and that ilk to influence your music more in terms of incorporating electronics into a rock context. I see you already stole Al’s cattle head on the mic stand thing lol :stuck_out_tongue:

Shit yeah… synths for sure. But I hate programmed beats. Nup. No cigar. Bones are cool. I used to have a massive collection, but mum chucked them out. SIGH.

The lyrics are a bit juvenile but I am certainly in no position to throw stones there. I think the genuine anger comes across because when you’re actually angry you tend to be more blunt lyrically and it shows there. So I think it works.

Totally agree. It is what it is…

the lyrics on Without a care are intentionally vapid, but pretty much relate to something fucked up that happened at a party once. I did it coz I know the guilty parties involved will hear it, and know what it’s about, quietly. Whereas Euclid Ouroburos is all gnosticism, maths, physics, etc etc. So bit of both approaches in equal doses.

I would love to collaborate with you.

I am on some new shit myself that I’ll put up soon. I’ve been doing a lot of different things with different people. I’m doing more pop type stuff. I did a rock track that’s really pop-ish and also a fucking rap track. This rapper I’m working with stays in a hostel in nyc and brought 2 germans he met over last night. The chick was a great singer and played sick keyboards and the dude rapped in German. The song is like an Industrial Hip Hop Jazz Rock song. I rapped a verse in it as well lol

Big win to both paragraphs. Seriously, I’d tuck into that at the drop of a turd. [shocked]

However, I’m all for you physically annexing your hoo-hoo-dilly to my cha-cha. [:)] On the house.

I’m not sure what I just read, but I approve.

So hard.

I honestly think the vox are grand. Void’s vox are more animated and certainly suit his music so maybe he is more of a vocalist than Evil, but I think distinction is half the battle and once you don’t sound like Geddy Lee (talk about ruining what could have been the best band ever) you’re good to go. I would assume Evil’s multi-instrumentality supercedes focus on the vocals but I guess there’s always a push to perfect every aspect of the performance. Barker gets stick for his vocals but do you think ‘Vex And Siolence’ or ‘Useless’ with have been better with Al? I don’t.

More importantly I suppose it’s how the vocal style compliments the music style. The songs which are more exposed/bared to the vocals obviosuly necessitates greater vocal efficiency. Evil’s vox may not be best suited to the lighter songs like Nom de Guerre but I think on that cut the vocals are maybe too breathy into the mic, with better recording and production who knows? The aggressive singing on Euclid Ouroboros is grand in my book. The inflections on the lighter parts of ‘Booksmart’ may be a bit strained or unnatural but on the chorus when it picks up I can’t see a problem there.