Ministry: From Beer To Eternity. New album

None of us actually believe that Paul was “just a bass player”. And I don’t think anyone really thinks that, prior to their breakup, Al thought that either. I’m just trying to explain a possible point of reference for what Al was saying.

But like someone else has noted, Al will probably dig up the carcass of Ministry again some time anyway, so it’s pretty futile to put too much concern over any of this regardless.

I don’t know why people get so incensed over crap Al says. Yeah, he’s a bitter old bastard. Does anyone really take everything he says literally? Anyone with a functioning brain filters through the crap he says to find the few things that might sort of represent something similar to a reality. But 90% of what he claims is typically just tossed off as Al’s normal jibber jabber.

An ostrich? Really?

nothing personal but i thought the extra disc in the movie fix this bonus disc i’d rather use as a ashtray or frizbee.

I’ve tried to give a chance to Barker’s various recent stuff . . . Flowering Blight, USSA, Pink Anvil, Fix This, etc. It does NOTHING for me. He seems like a nice chap and I wish him the best, but I just can’t be bothered giving a crap about anything he’s done since the breakup. I liked Lead Into Gold a lot back in the day.

Barker was awesome IN Ministry. I think he shined in Ministry and Ministry shined with him. Al obviously marginalizes the guy. Big deal. Paul’s got his fan club too and their version of the story is the flipside of that coin.

I’m still INTERESTED in what Al does (I don’t necessarily like it all the time) but I’ll never go out of my way to seek out something that Paul has worked on as of late because I know there’s a 95% chance that I’ll find it to be crap or boring.

Barker’s stuff hasn’t thrilled me but it’s far more interesting and tolerable than anything Al has put out since Paul left Ministry. At least with Paul I’m kinda curious as to what his work might sound like. With Al I fucking know it’ll be the same shit thrash/metal shit with that horrendous drum machine and shite lyrics.

EDIT: The only reason I seek out or pay attention to anything Al does anymore is purely out of morbid curiosity. Same reason I sometimes seek out gory, terrifying videos/images. I don’t enjoy it really. I just want to see how bad things can get.

Also, it’s sometimes fun to laugh at how far Al’s fallen and at the same time sad to hear how far he’s fallen. Double edged.

i have said it on here before, and you know what, its the internet, so here it comes again…

i REALLY identify with Al and a lot of his stupid choices. there is a lot in his actions and the way he sells himself that i can really connect with. somehow even now with his whole drunken outlaw southern badass thing (something i have NEVER tried or wanted, or even THOUGHT to act like) there is something in him that continues to fascinate and draw me in.

he and paul had a relationship like SO MANY other brilliant men have together, or so many other passionate relationships/marriages/couples. there was a fire between them, a churning strength in them that pulled the very best honesty out of both of them. they were themsleves more together than without. and when paul left, he wasnt just leaving a junkie, or quitting a band, or getting out of a bad spot, or any of the things that have been said, he was abandoning his other half. he was leaving his lover and closest friend on the side of the street. was he justified in doing that? yes, of course. but still, when he left he took away so much of the passion, so much of the honesty, so much of the vicious beauty that he was able to extract from al. and that must have fucking broken al’s heart. that kind of abandonment, that kind of loss… its no wonder al’s music spiraled and shattered on the rocks. all throughout the heyday of MINISTRY, Al’s whole persona was that of chaos, unbridled and unmitigated chaos. he showed up with more drugs than any human could have even quantified, shot them all up, fucked anything that moved, ate paint chips and brass fixtures, screamed like the gutters of hell were draining, composed and forcefully led a band of all sorts of freaks and monsters, and ended up with some of the best avant garde music a major label will EVER touch. in reality, he was more grounded, he made phone calls, went to meetings, sat with guitars and talked with paul about books, movies, ideas, samples, and logistics… but the persona, the ghost that al hides inside of, that was one of pure chaos. so when paul left, he couldnt ‘give up the ghost’ so to speak, he had to chase the chaos, but without the person who pulled and dredged out all the passion from him… his chaos just became sloth.
al is the victim of a broken heart in a lot of ways, and i feel for him. but every lackluster album he pumps out is another whore he meets in a bar and anther tattoos he gets in another town, trying to chase that dragon one more time… and is it beyond depressing.
as for paul, without that passion and fire that al pulled out of him… we just get boring go nowhere bullshit. paul was just a bass play in a lot of ways, but he was also al’s only friend, because he was the only one who not just saw through al the whole time, but actually listened and coaxed out all the art packed inside of him.
when they broke up, we didnt lose MINISTRY, we just lost the passion.

Thank you for that post. Well said that’s what Al is, vicious beauty. As well as cruel and unfair. As for Paul, he was broken hearted when he left Ministry with the loss of his father. Paul looked like he was in a daze far away

Thank you for that post. Well said that’s what Al is, vicious beauty. As well as cruel and unfair.

Cruel and unfair?
How so?

that is a valid point, however if you take all the good albums, the liner notes always say this - “ministry is: al jourgensen, paul barker”. everyone else was listed as “additional musicians” or “additional personnel”.

Completely my point!!
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grmpysmrf

That post was the worst thing to read while stoned and unable to find my wallet and keys to get back into the house if I did manage to find the former and amble on up to 7-11.

I think of Al and Paul like tacos and gyros. The ingredients are different. They don’t taste at all the same. But, they both are held together by folded in half round thing. The taco is smaller and a little more zesty. The gyro seems a little more wholesome and filling. Usually, the gyro comes with a high tech aluminum wrapper. The taco usually comes in paper… either wrapped up or just sitting on it. As you can see, this pretty much defines the Al and Paul relationship… not really related, but at the same time very related. Don’t taste the same, but at the same time both taste very good. Don’t look the same, but at the same do have some similar traits. You don’t see tacos and gyros sold at the same places though. Except at the state fair. They have a little bit of everything there, including Angie. Some might say that angie is like the mare down at the agricultural exhibit. I don’t really know much about angie to say. How does Connelly fit in? I’d say he is more like a corn dog on a stick.

“PermaWar” is available now. https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/permawar-single/id677266072. It’s streaming on Spotify too for those who don’t want to give Al actual money before the album drops (and do we then?)

Impressions:

  • Beefier production and mix than recent albums. Maybe it’s my sound setup, the bass thuds and pounds. The drums could be live too, they’re engineered in the sterile way of most modern metal albums so it’s hard to tell.

  • The vocals are corny and slapdash in the verse. The chorus fares better. The backing vocals are good.

  • The bridge is where it picks up. The sampling (generic shit about nuclear weapons) with the thick riffing and then the return of the HARMONICA is good stuff.

Business as usual pretty much, i like it, but it’s not going to win over anyone who hates their newer stuff.

I find his vocal delivery tough to take on perma war.
Late,
grmpysmrf

The music is pretty good. Again with the fake double bass & shitty vocals…damn you Al!

More generic cookie monster butt rock. My first thought was, ‘Haven’t they already done this song before?’ It sounds like a rehash of something from TLS or RGB. For a band that Al once claimed was constantly evolving and changing and not looking back, Ministry sure got stuck in the mud.

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Business as usual pretty much, i like it, but it’s not going to win over anyone who hates their newer stuff.

Like me for instance.

What’s with the shitty “macho dude” growl on the vocals?

[reply]Business as usual pretty much, i like it, but it’s not going to win over anyone who hates their newer stuff.

Like me for instance.

What’s with the shitty “macho dude” growl on the vocals?[/reply]

That’s pretty much par for the course these days. What was the last album you listened to, just out of interest? I think he’s done that on maybe the last 3 or so. I like the last few albums, Relapse not quite so much, but i noticed you mentioned you didn’t like Fear (Is Big Business) - i think - on your listening spree, haha, one of my favourites to be honest. I think Al probably diverged from quite a few folks’ idea of good Ministry quite a while ago now, which i can appreciate. It’s more metal-style now, and not as diverse, which i don’t mind, i like metal. But i can see how fans of the older stuff would be put off, definitely.

The new single is ok. It certainly has a Relapse vibe to it-great music, but sub par vocals and lyrics.

I’m really looking forward to the dub and early Ministry influences that Al mentioned. So I still have hopes for the actual album.

Not nearly as bad as I was expecting. Average. Certainly not bad though. I can definitely hear some older elements in the guitar work. kinda wish Al would play the guitars on the album and not sin. Cant stand his guitar tone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F57PD84-Cr8