Massacre In Arizona

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Can you give me a reference on O’Reilly’s urging of the doctor’s assassination, please?

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/31/tiller

OK, I researched it myself: Here’s a liberal site (which, by the way, DOES believe O’Reilly is responsible) that tells me specifically that he did NOT actually call for the guy’s execution.

He called him a Nazi or a Baby Killer and painted him to be some monster. Big deal. Abortion is legal now, but people still have the right to morally oppose it. And if he thinks this guy is the devil, so be it.

He didn’t call for the guy to be murdered.

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Can you give me a reference on O’Reilly’s urging of the doctor’s assassination, please?

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/05/31/tiller

OK, I researched it myself: Here’s a liberal site (which, by the way, DOES believe O’Reilly is responsible) that tells me specifically that he did NOT actually call for the guy’s execution.

He called him a Nazi or a Baby Killer and painted him to be some monster. Big deal. Abortion is legal now, but people still have the right to morally oppose it. And if he thinks this guy is the devil, so be it.

He didn’t call for the guy to be murdered.

Do some more research
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grmpysmrf

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THAT is the picture they’ve been talking about with the target sites? Oh, good grief! I thought it was pictures of people with sites on their foreheads or something.

Seriously, Dude. This a bit of a stretch. “Take a stand” doesn’t really mean “Go get yer guns and start shootin’ folk” in my book. Do I need some secret code book to find all the calls to arms and so forth that these politicians are shouting out?[/reply]
This is no stretch… when you put it together with the eliminationist rhetoric that has been coming out of the mouthes of the right it’s not.

I understand you are trying to be neutral and what not but you’re just coming off as uninformed.

I’m pretty sure if someone had a pic of your house and your name next to it with the target sight it would hit closer to home.

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Timothy Mcveigh, Politcal righty.
Ted Kazinzky- Politcal righty
BTK- (for good measure) Political righty

HAHAHAHA!!! Now Kaczinsky is a Right Winger? The dude lived in a crappy cabin and thought technology should be destroyed so that we’d all “get back to nature”. Yeah, he blew up some stuff, but he sounds more like one of your tree-hugging hippies to me, Grumps.
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as a rule Lefties don’t kill people, as a rule righties are quick to hurt someone if they don’t get their way.
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I’m pretty sure if someone had a pic of your house and your name next to it with the target sight it would hit closer to home

I’m not a politician. I’m just a regular bloke. But if I was a politician I would be ready to be made fun of and attacked in a public forum. And I would have thought Sarah Palin’s map was referring to ousting (not murdering) representatives that didn’t side with them for the stupid health thing.

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Timothy Mcveigh, Politcal righty.
Ted Kazinzky- Politcal righty
BTK- (for good measure) Political righty

HAHAHAHA!!! Now Kaczinsky is a Right Winger? The dude lived in a crappy cabin and thought technology should be destroyed so that we’d all “get back to nature”. Yeah, he blew up some stuff, but he sounds more like one of your tree-hugging hippies to me, Grumps.
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as a rule Lefties don’t kill people, as a rule righties are quick to hurt someone if they don’t get their way.
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grmpysmrf[/reply]

THAT’S your case? He killed someone so he must be a “righty”. Lefties don’t kill people and righties are quick to hurt? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Grumpy, you are precious.

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as a rule Lefties don’t kill people, as a rule righties are quick to hurt someone if they don’t get their way.

There are no words to describe just how completely fucking nuts that statement is. You’re so blindly lopsided it’s not funny. You’re every bit as big a crackpot as those you CONSTANTLY denounce.

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[reply]I’m pretty sure if someone had a pic of your house and your name next to it with the target sight it would hit closer to home

I’m not a politician. I’m just a regular bloke. But if I was a politician I would be ready to be made fun of and attacked in a public forum. [/reply]
No doubt but not physically.

And I would have thought Sarah Palin’s map was referring to ousting (not murdering) representatives that didn’t side with them for the stupid health thing.

shows that you’re not paying attention to the current climate of politics or social unrest.

THAT’S your case? He killed someone so he must be a “righty”. Lefties don’t kill people and righties are quick to hurt? HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Find an example that proves otherwise.

Grumpy, you are precious.

Oh gunnar you are adorable yourself!
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grmpysmrf

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as a rule Lefties don’t kill people, as a rule righties are quick to hurt someone if they don’t get their way.

There are no words to describe just how completely fucking nuts that statement is. You’re so blindly lopsided it’s not funny. You’re every bit as big a crackpot as those you CONSTANTLY denounce.[/reply]
Fuck off loser, Unless you can provide something else!

ATTENTION ATTENTION, AMLUX SAYS IT SO, IT MUST BE TRUE. HE PROVIDES NO SUPPORT JUST POSTS WITH DISGUST AND PRETENTIOUSNESS. CARRY ON!!
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grmpysmrf

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Do some more research
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grmpysmrf

I don’t need to. I already showed you that your logic is biased and flawed and based on a simple Liberal-good Conservative-bad mindset which can’t fathom anything beyond that little box.

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[reply]Nope. I went to school. I just didn’t major in “Gay Flags 101”.

Nice, that cracked me up! Ok, your state wins. Johnny, what does he win?

Cooperstown is ok. Tourists love it, and it’s a popular pre-game meet-up since it’s right by the arena and ballpark.

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shows that you’re not paying attention to the current climate of politics or social unrest.

I pay attention to the political climate of politics and social unrest. I just don’t think that disagreeing with people, or calling for their removal from office equates calling for violent slaughter.

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“As a rule lefties don’t kill people”.

Are you just completely fucking stupid? Do you have any idea how fucking ridiculous you are making yourself look here? As Gunnar said, your logic seems based on one dimensional theories of left = good, right = bad. Life just isn’t like that. People aren’t robots.

OK. Where are your figures? The figures that support that psychologically, those you follow a more traditionally leftist, liberal dogma are less likely to take the life of a human being than a conservative? Don’t have any? Wow, that’s amazing.

Your logic is flawed from the beginning as you present facts only to suit your own agenda. You twist everything. You’re just a big a manipulator as O’Reilly and the others you constantly slam.

Then there’s the matter of how you go about ‘discussing’ social / political matters with other board members, which has to be seen to be believed. Don’t think I’ve ever encountered such a heavy handed force on any message board anywhere. You just bang, bang, bang away until there’s no one else left standing. Your views are your views and I have no problem with that. But when you bully and intimidate and rip to pieces anyone who disagrees with your ‘facts’…well, then as you yourself said it so succinctly, “fuck off loser”.

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[reply]shows that you’re not paying attention to the current climate of politics or social unrest.

I pay attention to the political climate of politics and social unrest. I just don’t think that disagreeing with people, or calling for their removal from office equates calling for violent slaughter.[/reply]
Disagreeing is one thing. calling for their slaughter is something else. and even since before Day one of Obama’s term they’ve been calling for slaughter. you can’t deny it. Pay attention. Calling him a muslim refusing to recognize his birth certificate. calling for “the killing of the terrorist!”
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grmpysmrf

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In Australia, traditionally the ‘lefties’ voice their opinions much more violently and much more publicly than conservatives.

Now that John Howard (conservative ex Prime Minister) is out you don’t really have as many (violent) protests as you did in the past (ie G20 summit, Work Choices, Iraq War etc).

I don’t see why. This new (leftist) govt has completely fucked us over. Bunch of utter dills. Where were all the protests when the Labor govt fucked up the free insulation scheme resulting in four deaths? If that had of happened under Howard, then workers (namely unionists) would have down tools everywhere. There would have been blood in the streets. And that’s just one example.

Fucking Labor government.

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I suppose the crazy Animal Rights people setting loose rabid chimps and setting fire to research facilities and the Earth Liberation Front who set fire to more than 20 Hummers a few years back and vandalized a dealership to the tune of $2.5 Million . . . . I suppose those groups are “right-wing” too, right?

I could say that all liberals are psychotics that care more about trees and monkeys than public safety . . . but I don’t. Why? Because I’m not an idiot, that’s why.

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“As a rule lefties don’t kill people”.

Are you just completely fucking stupid? Do you have any idea how fucking ridiculous you are making yourself look here? As Gunnar said, your logic seems based on one dimensional theories of left = good, right = bad. Life just isn’t like that. People aren’t robots.

Name one! Name a lefty that’s killed someone for political gain? You are the same type of person who calls liberals Pussy’s cause they don’t fight but now all of the sudden they are killers just like the right!

are all conservatives like this? no of course not. I’m talking in generalities here.

You know like Chris Rock says “serial killers aren’t black folks and old ladies kicked down a flight of stairs for a 2$ welfare check isn’t done by white folks” there’s always exceptions to the rule but as a Rule of thumb!

For the most part Conservatives want to rule everything and make you pay for it!!!Don’t expect you to understand you haven’t lived here in how many years? I believe you have forgotten what it’s like or perhaps just look at shit through filters of your own. However your filters are just better than mine apparently!

OK. Where are your figures? The figures that support that psychologically, those you follow a more traditionally leftist, liberal dogma are less likely to take the life of a human being than a conservative? Don’t have any? Wow, that’s amazing.

Pull out any political killing and we’ll see which pattern of political Ideology those people follow! not as a label but as an actual set of ideologies… You can say Castro is a lefty all you want but the way he runs his Country is no where close to left! Get a fuckin education you moron!

Your logic is flawed from the beginning as you present facts only to suit your own agenda. You twist everything. You’re just a big a manipulator as O’Reilly and the others you constantly slam.

For example? oh you have no examples cause you talk out of your ass or think with it! You don’t have to be jealous of me because I pay attention much more than you.

Then there’s the matter of how you go about ‘discussing’ social / political matters with other board members, which has to be seen to be believed. Don’t think I’ve ever encountered such a heavy handed force on any message board anywhere. You just bang, bang, bang away until there’s no one else left standing. Your views are your views and I have no problem with that.

Sure as fuck sounds like you have a problem with that. But here you come with you heavy handed views on me and anyone else you don’t like but your shit don’t stink. But you’re just like me except that at least I stick to issues rather the person themselves!

But when you bully and intimidate and rip to pieces anyone who disagrees with your ‘facts’…well, then as you yourself said it so succinctly, “fuck off loser”.

Who do I bully? Nobody! you just can’t handle somoene else’s opinion, which is why you always come at me with this load of bullshit.

sorry my points of view and depth of thinking last longer than one round. because you apparently live in sound bite world I see why that would piss you off!

So, indeed, if you can’t last longer than one round of discussion, seriously, fuck off!
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grmpysmrf

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I suppose the crazy Animal Rights people setting loose rabid chimps and setting fire to research facilities and the Earth Liberation Front who set fire to more than 20 Hummers a few years back and vandalized a dealership to the tune of $2.5 Million . . . . I suppose those groups are “right-wing” too, right?

First off they are not killing people… apples and oranges.

Second of all they are Fascist in their behavior so YES that is right wing behavior.

LIBERAL:
favoring or permitting freedom of action, esp. with respect to matters of personal belief or expression: a liberal policy toward dissident artists and writers.

of or pertaining to representational forms of government rather than aristocracies and monarchies.

[u]free from prejudice or bigotry; tolerant[/u]

open-minded or tolerant, esp. free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc.

characterized by generosity and willingness to give in large amounts: a liberal donor.

By simple definitions Liberals are not killers they are TOLERANT!

Tolerant people don’t kill others!!

Violence for a liberal is an oxymoron.

Conservative:

disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

traditional in style or manner; avoiding novelty or showiness: conservative suit.

and they have no problem resorting to violence to keep the pathetic microcosms that they have fashioned for themselves intact.

I could say that all liberals are psychotics that care more about trees and monkeys than public safety . . . but I don’t. Why? Because I’m not an idiot, that’s why.

you would be correct under generalizations.
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grmpysmrf

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One of those sights is over my house.
If the general public is not allowed to have guns only the police, military, and criminals will have guns. I don’t trust any of them.
An awful lot of sport hunters are going to be horribly pissed.
BTW I went through gun safety when I was age 12. Everyone should. When a kid picks up a gun at a friend’s house resulting in an accidental death, nobody is to blame but their own parent. It really is as simple as teaching them about guns and what to do if they find one.

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When a kid picks up a gun at a friend’s house resulting in an accidental death, nobody is to blame but their own parent.

Really? You don’t think the guy that left his gun laying around despite the fact that he has kids that bring over other neighbor kids to his house bears any responsibility in the matter? I would disagree.

It really is as simple as teaching them about guns and what to do if they find one.

Well, there you have it. Let’s just teach all the kids about gun safety. Problem solved. I don’t care how well you think a kid is taught about gun safety. S/he is still a kid and the chances that something bad will happen if you have an instrument of death where it can be accessed by a child is way too high no matter how many merit badges or NRA classes that kid has under his/her belt.

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So it turns out this guy was some sort of Mein Kampf reading Nazi and this politician was Jewish??

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/congresswoman-fights-for-life-after-us-shooting/story-e6frf7lf-1225984712088

The plot thickens. and enemy of this so called Tea Party.

That’s interesting.

What’s the gist of this thing? Obviously the Americans aren’t going to change the constitution and amend their gun laws after just 'another high profile shooting? That would be crazy, right? I mean ‘the right to bear arms’ and all? We can’t take away your right to bear arms now can we? That would be unconstitutional. Shouldn’t I have the right to purchase a semi automatic sub …

yeah, we should.

Not that guy, though. he had mental problems. We make distinctions about everything. Hell --the California DMV allows addicts to drive with legal dope.

Your problem is you apply political labels to everything: calling him a “republican” and some tea party Sarah Pallin-lovin’ night crawler. You need to see the reality through the REAL world.

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When a kid picks up a gun at a friend’s house resulting in an accidental death, nobody is to blame but their own parent.

Really? You don’t think the guy that left his gun laying around despite the fact that he has kids that bring over other neighbor kids to his house bears any responsibility in the matter? I would disagree.

It really is as simple as teaching them about guns and what to do if they find one.

Well, there you have it. Let’s just teach all the kids about gun safety. Problem solved. I don’t care how well you think a kid is taught about gun safety. S/he is still a kid and the chances that something bad will happen if you have an instrument of death where it can be accessed by a child is way too high no matter how many merit badges or NRA classes that kid has under his/her belt.[/reply]
watch yourself gunnar I agree with all of what you wrote. apparently you’re treading on the left=good right =bad ground!

Don’t know how gun safety would’ve prevented this Arizona thing, though
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