Here We Go Again.....Another School Shooting

@Grumpysmrf - just curious, in all your years as a teacher, did you ever have any kids you were “worried about”? Any anti social loners who you could tell were having a really hard time fitting in?

Well, maybe 2 but definitely 1, that was this last summer. That’s pretty good for being in education for over 10 years.

I say maybe 2 because the first one was an 8th grader who killed himself (5-6 years back) but he never struck me as the violent type not even to himself. So, I suppose he was a possible sleeper. He had friends he wasn’t hated but not popular either, and dumb as shit. I don’t mean just not book smart he wasn’t common sense smart either. Probably shouldn’t speak ill of the dead but it is what it is…

But this last summer I had a kid in summer school that actually put me ill at ease. He was 18 had the credits of a freshmen (first year of highschool for you Aussies) and the kid was seriously out of his mind. He shouldn’t even have been enrolled (but my boss sometimes isn’t that bright and enrolls people he shouldn’t) apparently he lived away from his mom (had serious problems with her) (all of this unbeknownst to me at the time I had yet to meet him) but still had her listed as an emergency contact. He left a message saying he wasn’t coming in to test he was going out of town (to fullerton) for an emergency and he wanted 4 extra days. He was really vague about his “emergency” and kids try to pull that “emergency” shit all of the time when they slack on their work and don’t have it complete.

I didn’t know anything about this kid. He was another teacher’s student so no way was I gonna let him slide on anything, as far as I know he was some kid who was just trying to dodge out of doing his work. So I try to call him back, I’m sent directly to voicemail. So I call his emergency contact (his mom) I ask what the big emergency is, she says “I don’t know, he doesn’t live with me but he is expected at his gma’s 72nd b-day down in fullerton on Sunday.” (nice lady on the phone)

I said "Sunday? when were you all leaving for this?”

she says “saturday afternoon…(this conversation is happening Friday morning) we are carpooling…”

So, I say, “Well, Ma’am he has got to come in today to turn in his work and test otherwise he’ll be dropped from summer school.”

she says, “ok I’ll try to get ahold of him…”

cut to 45 minutes later the door violently swings open into the school, this skinny, dirty looking, greasy haired, smelly, gross motherfucker is standing there with his arms folded and this deranged look on his face.

“can I help you” I say

“Yeah” he says “you can tell me who the motherFUCKING asshole is who called my mother.”

the secretary flips out (rightly so, he was fucking creepy) “you’re going to leave right now” she says

“I don’t think so.” He says, “Some asshole, probably you (he says to the secretary), called my cunt mother, and that fucking cunt called me to come here and take some stupid test even though I called and cancelled”

at this point I stand up (I’m 6’2 230 lbs, I tower over him). I tell him "this is school, you don’t ‘call and cancel’ school. We’re not the hairdresser, and I am the one that called your mother because when I called you, you sent me to your voicemail and your mother is on your emergency contact list and there is no note saying not to contact. So I called your emergency contact.”

he says, “well mr. Asshole i sent you to voice mail because i didn’t want to talk to you, obviously.”

I said, “look, you turn in your work right now and go in there and take your tests. if not, get out!”

he turns around throws his work out into the lobby and trots off into the computer lab to take his test.

I go into the lobby grab his work off the floor and absolutely none of it is complete not even started in fact. I let him finish his tests and he scores a combined score of 23 between US History and English. Scored a 9 on history and 14 on the English. I tell him there is no way he can pass summer school with no work completed and these pitiful test scores. He stomps out, like literally stomps. He hits the glass door full on with his fist and the loudest smack rings out through the whole building. We thought he broke the glass door. He didn’t

Whatever, glad he’s gone, but 2 hours later I get this 3 minute rambling message on my work phone from him, about how it’s my fault he’s not gonna get an education (mind you he’s 18 with maybe 30 credits and he needs 220 credits to graduate) and the next time I hear from him I had better pray it’s not in the “dead people section of the newspaper” and “his blood is on my hands”
Usually the anger (even the really bad ones) from kids is mostly scripted (for lack of a better word) it’s really shallow and mostly for shock effect even if they don’t even know it themselves. This kid I just told you about was different he seriously lived in a different world. He seriously gave me the weirds. I wasn’t sure if he was gonna come back with a gun and shoot the place up. And there was nowhere in his mind that he did anything wrong he was the victim here. freaky dude.

I know that was probably longer than you wanted but there it all is.
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grmpysmrf

That was a great read.

Actually grump I’m glad you typed it, same for Olsen because both those stories paint a true side of how dark these kids’ lives really are. I was pretty depressed and a loner as a teen, no social outlet but a few people and not often enough. I was a real dick, but only because everyone was a dick back. I dressed in a lot of black shirts and blue jeans, but not for the goth thing - never got that - it was because I was lazy and the closest thing to looking decent daily [laugh] It stood out of course.

I remember when Columbine happened. I was ironically, sick for the day. The day after I got a lot of shit…“oh where were you yesterday”…“planning to bomb the school” etc I remember these guys giving me shit but I was good natured and was saying “oh yeahhh (sarcastically) that’s what I was doing, real funny”.
I remember getting called into the office because I guess someone over-reacted to pretty obvious sarcasm. I got asked if I had plans to do damage to students, faculty, the school. And so on. I remember them asking if I was planning on making bombs. It was really hilarious, but I was really annoyed with it at the time. A lot of bullshit, grandoise political stuff that really wasted my time and theirs. I felt kind of like a monkey and if I didn’t dance, I would be expelled. It didn’t help that my grades sucked.

All I can say is, people are people and unfortunately there’s a lot of moody, isolated kids out there with no outlet on how to express it. I wish I was more social in retrospect, because I think that’s a key in how these kids get out their bullshit daily. I used to think cliques are so silly, but in some way they function in the best way you can deal with growing up - building an identity. These guys never got it, so of course they took it out on everybody.

Sounds similar to some of my other bff’s hubby’s teacher stories when he had detention/in-school suspension duty.

Yes, the male students really try to play up on the intimidation factor. However, the Discipline handlers are wise to their students’ games.

Blaming you for his own mistakes that lead to him being caught. Shame. He apparently has more important things to do out in society than waste your precious time (sarcasm). So now he suffers the consequences of his inactions.

That was a great read.

thanks. Just typed it as it was.

Actually grump I’m glad you typed it, same for Olsen because both those stories paint a true side of how dark these kids’ lives really are.

Thanks, every bit of it is true. and I think you nailed the difference between the kids that are disturbed. those kids are “dark.” he wasn’t wearing black he was wearing a light blue shirt with no design and dirty ass blue jeans. but he was still dark. I don’t beleive in aura’s or evil spirits or that kind of shit but if I did I would say this guy definitely had a dark glow about him. he just was …off even if he didn’t come in acting that way and wasn’t all dirty he still would’ve been … wrong (for lack of a better word)

anyway Thankfully I haven’t run into those kids, really at all.
Late,
grmpysmrf

Sounds similar to some of my other bff’s hubby’s teacher stories when he had detention/in-school suspension duty.

Yes, the male students really try to play up on the intimidation factor. However, the Discipline handlers are wise to their students’ games.

Blaming you for his own mistakes that lead to him being caught. Shame. He apparently has more important things to do out in society than waste your precious time (sarcasm). So now he suffers the consequences of his inactions.

I’ve seen all that shit before and its always just kids trying to justify their own failings, they know the truth but are trying to be little con men. This kid was different. he didn’t have a “convenient” alternate reality that he made up to save his own skin. he had an alternate reality that he really couldn’t tell the difference, one that he lived in full time. I’ve never seen that happen. Schizophrenia crossed my mind after I had time to reflect.
Late,
grmpysmrf

Yes, I understand what you are saying. He was way off in his own world.

Not to make lite of it, but I’ve known a few adults who did not live in reality and who were perfectly sane to the best of my knowledge. I call it “the world according to so-and-so”. I found I cannot deal with their alternate reality.

Another winner was set free only to offend again: http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/preston-odle-back-court
The Judge should be held accountable as well.

Another winner was set free only to offend again: http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/preston-odle-back-court
The Judge should be held accountable as well.

Fucking sickening…

That was a great read Grmpy - thanks!!

Is it just me though or was Olsen’s story even darker? Something about that sense of hopelessness and emptiness in an individual. That part about the mother dying and the poor son being all alone without a friend in the world - actually brought a lump to my throat for probably the first time ever since I’ve been coming here.

When I was in high school I was a weird loner - although nowhere near as hopeless as Olsen’s “Tod”. Actually, throughout the whole of Year 9 I don’t think I had even one friend. Spent the year sitting alone and talking to no one while everyone around me had a great time and made friends. I was skinny and tall and very self conscious. To make matters worse my grades were appalling because I was so unhappy and couldn’t concentrate. Eventually I settled in and found a bunch of guys (mostly arty freaks and musos) that I could relate too and spent the next few years getting stoned and going to parties and gigs. So it wasn’t all bad. But sometimes I shudder to think how it could of turned out for me had the situation not improved.

I’ve known some guys unfortunately, who never “recovered” from high school and their lives met a grisly end. Olsen’s story struck a nerve in that sense.

That was a great read Grmpy - thanks!!

No problem, sir. I’m actually quite shocked I remember so much detail even the dialogue for the most part i word for word it’s like it’s burned into my brain.

Sorry I don’t have more. actually I do but they won’t translate as well as this one does. they’re just quick anecdotal stories that require too much back story and egh not worth the time.

Is it just me though or was Olsen’s story even darker?

It actually kinda reminded me of bad boy bubby a little bit. but yeah his was certainly dark sad tale.

Late,
grmpysmrf

Another winner was set free only to offend again: http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/preston-odle-back-court
The Judge should be held accountable as well.

I cannot bear cruelty to dogs. I don’t even care for this argument that people who abuse animals are likely to abuse humans because harming animals is bad enough and there should equal punishment for those who torture a dog to death and those who torture a human to death.

And you’re right about the judge being brought up on this one. Is there any sort of watchdog system in the States for judges. The one in this case is obviously not fit for the job.

[reply]Another winner was set free only to offend again: http://www.examiner.com/slideshow/preston-odle-back-court
The Judge should be held accountable as well.

I cannot bear cruelty to dogs. I don’t even care for this argument that people who abuse animals are likely to abuse humans because harming animals is bad enough and there should equal punishment for those who torture a dog to death and those who torture a human to death.

And you’re right about the judge being brought up on this one. Is there any sort of watchdog system in the States for judges. The one in this case is obviously not fit for the job.[/reply]

This…

Anyone else check out the NRA’s press conference? What a bunch of assholes. Their desired solutions include posting an armed guard at every school and creating a national database for the mentally ill. Christ.

That is insane. A well-trained proper professional armed guard is VERY expensive. And anything less than that is honestly more of a liability than an asset. Talk to anyone who has ever had the misfortune of managing an armed security force.

There are definitely professionals that can do the job effectively and safely (or at least there are now until they become scarce due to crap like this) but considering schools barely have enough money for textbooks, I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around this.

I’ll have more to say on this later, I’m sure . . .

Yeah what a great idea!!! leave it to the NRA to create jobs in the country, what a responsible organization!!

I think occam’s razor is far past due in this situation.

It’s time we try less guns rather than more guns.
Late,
grmpysmrf

I imagine “an armed guard in every school” would result in the government contracting this service out to some company like Blackwater, that will simultaneously get some GOP politicians rich and let a group of psychotic military washouts into schools.

Here’s an idea:

Instead of putting an armed gun enthusiast in every school, maybe we should put a teacher in every gun store.

Here’s an idea:

Instead of putting an armed gun enthusiast in every school, maybe we should put a teacher in every gun store.

Right on!

I find this to be way more disturbing than the recent school massacre:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/obama-vows-action-after-online-petition/story-fnd134gw-1226542151230

And yet…if the list hadn’t been compiled, this statistic would have slipped right past us without causing so much as a flutter.