Here is the summary: http://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states
There have been two women and three deaths between them.
Interesting link. Thanks for posting.
Also significant with respect to the above referenced female shooters is that BOTH of those cases were over 100 years ago.
[reply]Here is the summary: http://www.k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states
There have been two women and three deaths between them.
Interesting link. Thanks for posting.
Also significant with respect to the above referenced female shooters is that BOTH of those cases were over 100 years ago.[/reply]
The one I posted about was in 79…she was only 16 but was charged as an adult…that’s where I got confused thinking it actually was an adult at the time…
Thanks, Queer! The song connection made it easy to look up. You’re right. 1979 in San Diego . . .
Tally:
2 dead adults
8 injured children
1 injured police officer
Thanks, Queer!
That would be considered a hate crime anywhere else but here.
But I’m never gonna have kids knock on wood
At least that’s one person who shouldn’t have kids knows they shouldn’t have.
But minus point for thinking this tragedy is not as important as other topics that meet your desire for what is discussed here. As if anyone with a heart is going to think you make a fair point and that we should all go back to talking about music. So are you just looking for attention then?
For an ostensibly non-political message board there has been some reasoned and cogent discussion on this tragedy and the nature of gun use in the States in this thread.
I hope you didn’t feel relieved for getting that crap off your chest because you certainly don’t have to waste your time including your considerate opinion on this thread.
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But I’m never gonna have kids knock on wood
At least that’s one person who shouldn’t have kids knows they shouldn’t have.
But minus point for thinking this tragedy is not as important as other topics that meet your desire for what is discussed here. As if anyone with a heart is going to think you make a fair point and that we should all go back to talking about music. So are you just looking for attention then?
For an ostensibly non-political message board there has been some reasoned and cogent discussion on this tragedy and the nature of gun use in the States in this thread.
I hope you didn’t feel relieved for getting that crap off your chest because you certainly don’t have to waste your time including your considerate opinion on this thread.[/reply]
I already expressed that I should’ve kept my comments to myself. Looks like you missed that part. And who the fuck are you to say I shouldn’t have kids? Because of something I said on here? Go fuck yourself. Who knows? Maybe I could be a good dad. The only one who should be saying I shouldn’t have kids is me and I already said it. Fuck off and don’t start shit.
And who the fuck are you to say I shouldn’t have kids? Because of something I said on here? Go fuck yourself. Who knows? Maybe I could be a good dad. The only one who should be saying I shouldn’t have kids is me and I already said it. Fuck off and don’t start shit.
Sounded to me like zic was just agreeing with you… are you getting mad at him for agreeing with you?
That’s really odd.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Looked to me that he meant it in a different context. I’ve said in another thread I shouldn’t have kids cuz I don’t have my shit together enough to have them. Unless he remembered that, it looks to me that he’s basing it on what I said and that’s why I was offended. Not really pissed cuz I don’t really let shit on the internet get to me, despite how I may have come off in my previous post.
I think you mistakenly lumped all of his response as one retort. If you’ll read it again I think you’ll see that he’s actually giving you “props” for the no kids comment, and then he takes issue with the rest.
I think Zick was meaning that there’s a lot of jackasses that have kids and really have no business doing so. They either are unwilling to invest the time and resources required to raise them or they are too self-centered and resent the kids for being a burden on them. Or they just simply don’t HAVE the resources to care for the kid (money for food, a job, whatever). Or one or both of the parents may not even like their kids and did it because they felt pressure from a spouse, family, or society.
I see it all the time. And in the context of this latest event, I think it is an important part of the conversation as a whole. Parents in such cases often are totally unaware or in denial that their kids may be exhibiting warning signs that could signal the potential for danger.
But I’m never gonna have kids knock on wood
And who the fuck are you to say I shouldn’t have kids?
Apparently he is the guy who is agreeing with you… otherwise known as a supporter.
Because of something I said on here?
ugh…?!? yeah. that you said specifically ^ see the top quote… from this thread no less.
Go fuck yourself.
so much hostility for agreeing with you. that’s just crazy.
Who knows? Maybe I could be a good dad.
I don’t think this was ever even in question. you, yourself said you shouldn’t have kids. nobody ever assigned a reason why. certainly not that you would be a bad dad. there are other reasons not to be a father.
The only one who should be saying I shouldn’t have kids is me and I already said it.
man if you’re gonna throw it out there anybody can comment on it… hell, people are gonna comment on it even if you don’t throw it out there. since you brought it up you really have no reason to be mad.
Fuck off and don’t start shit.
I like you eureka but from where I sit you are starting shit. Odd how sensitive you are over the parent issue when you don’t give a fuck about other parents who are suffering over the loss of their child(ren). your issue seems ridiculously small in comparison.
Late,
grmpysmrf
I’ve said in another thread I shouldn’t have kids cuz I don’t have my shit together enough to have them.
other threads don’t really have anything to do with it you said in this thread…
But I’m never gonna have kids knock on wood
so you are one person who shouldn’t have kids cause you don’t want them. you can see the “don’t want them” part based on the wood knock. people who don’t want kids shouldn’t have them. you are one person who is not having kids who shouldn’t. jeese it’s not rocket science here.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Well let’s hear it from him then. Yeah the parent issue is kind of a touchy subject. That’s the main reason I broke up with my last girlfriend. She wants a family and I’m not ready for something like that. Part of why I don’t wanna have kids is cuz I feel like I’d be hard on them for the wrong shit. She sees me as being a good parent (maybe trying to butter me up into staying with her I don’t know). I just didn’t wanna break up with her, but I had to. So yeah I got a little defensive. Like I said, it’s not that big of a deal. I’m probably never gonna meet the guy.
And there I went saying more than I probably should have, but I had to explain myself somehow.
EDIT: I really don’t wanna become the focus of this thread and it appears that’s happening. Let’s move on.
I really don’t wanna become the focus of this thread and it appears that’s happening. Let’s move on.
Killing children is bad, Mmmmmmmkay
I was just thinking about this issue again. Not the issue of gun control but the issue of the loner that snaps and shoots up a school and kills a bunch of people.
It’s always a boy.
He’s typically an adolescent or a young adult.
He’s typically a student.
He’s typically into video games.
He often has been bullied a bit . . . or a lot.
He’s never typically a kid with prior behaviour problems or any criminal record.
He’s never typically an urban kid.
He’s typically a middle-class suburbanite.
He’s typically white.
There’s something missing in the puzzle that no one talks about. I can’t remember who mentioned each specific point earlier, but something kind of clicked when I was thinking of this issue. Specifically, with respect to it being the quiet and non-social kids and them not being in the underprivileged strata of society.
This should seem odd, should it not? Wouldn’t reason and logic dictate that the person most apt to allow himself to break free from the ties of expectation and social obligation and wreak havoc by an act of vengeance and ultimate escape (suicide) would hail from the ghettos?
No. Not necessarily. And I think some of it might actually do with a complete inverse of this. I think that perhaps the more sheltered and “pussified” someone is, the more apt they are to do something like this.
Video games are not the be all end all causality of this epidemic. But it is key to note that video games give people a form of escape from their daily lives. For most of us, it’s just a minor recreation that passes an hour or two. But for others it is much more. It is an empowerment. It gives them a doorway into another world where they are no longer the oppressed but can be the oppressor. They get to be the man with the gun and those pixels on the screen that are being pumped full of pixel bullets and shooting pixel blood are not just pixels to such a player, but the object of their torment . . . the cause of their pain, their nemeses. And they get to see the scales of injustice tilted way in their own favor for once.
But that’s only part of the equation. Let’s again look at the urban versus the suburban. The ghetto versus the gated community. I think that the kids that commit these acts are really disconnected from true pain and true violence and the fact that they don’t have a frame of reference keeps them from grounding themselves in reality.
The kid that grows up in the crappiest part of Compton KNOWS what a gun does to a person. He’s seen his cousin come home from a night out shootin’ hoops with a hole in his thigh because he caught a bullet in a drive by. He may have seen his best friend get lowered into a grave at age 15. He’s seen a lot. And it was REAL.
These pasty suburban pussies have never seen real pain and never looked into the eyes of death. They have no frame of reference. And they don’t know the meaning of the word “survival” because they’ve never had to fight for something. They’re lost and meaningless.
Add a chemical imbalance (no matter how slight) and some unsecured guns in a closet to the mix and you got a recipe for chaos.
If you go back 100 years, most of our great grandparents probably had guns on their farms. They shot deer and turkeys and such. They had a respect for the weapons power to take life and taught this to their children. And they grew up hard and tough, busting their humps for a dollar and climbing their way to make a life for themselves.
Kids today (I’m speaking about the majority of white middle class brats) have everything handed to them on a silver platter. But there are some things that I believe they are being robbed of. And when you put your kid in so many helmets and pads and wrap him with foam and never let him feel the snap of an ankle or the scrape of knees on asphalt or let him taste the sweat of back breaking labor and then send him out into a pack of wolves . . . he’s gonna get eaten alive. And when he finds the drug of escape via video games and the high from wasting one’s enemies is the only source of pleasure there’s perhaps going to be a point where he just says, “Fuck it” . . .
They lack empathy.
The parents also practice normalization of deviance when it comes to getting their child help. They rationalize the deviant behaviors as being normal for their kid.
The kids do not see a future for themselves and/or are too immature to realize the full consequences of their actions. Mommy/daddy have handed them everything and what are they going to do if it should stop?
Kids in the hood see death and jail regularly; they either rise above it or they get sucked into it.
The possible motive: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mobileweb/2012/12/19/adam-lanza-motive_n_2329508.html?icid=hp_crime_art_more
Video games are not the be all end all causality of this epidemic. But it is key to note that video games give people a form of escape from their daily lives. For most of us, it’s just a minor recreation that passes an hour or two. But for others it is much more. It is an empowerment. It gives them a doorway into another world where they are no longer the oppressed but can be the oppressor. They get to be the man with the gun and those pixels on the screen that are being pumped full of pixel bullets and shooting pixel blood are not just pixels to such a player, but the object of their torment . . . the cause of their pain, their nemeses. And they get to see the scales of injustice tilted way in their own favor for once.
It’d be pretty easy to blame it on video games nowadays. The most popular games are shoot em ups. I swear there’s a new Call Of Duty every year. And a lot of people spend more than and hour or 2 on video games. With the rise of online gaming, people spend hours at a time.
@Olsen - great story. Surprised nobody else has commented on it. I think we’ve all encountered an individual like that at some point during our school years. I was acquainted with a “quiet loner” some years back, who eventually took his own life by jumping in front of a train. Looking back, that guy could definitely have been a potential mass killer had he had access to the sort of weapons they have in the States. He was a ticking time bomb. Another loner I knew of (not really friend with though) gassed himself in his garage after an all night romp with two hookers. His mother was so upset after finding his body she died of a heart attack.
@Eureka Pile - chill out.
@Grumpysmrf - just curious, in all your years as a teacher, did you ever have any kids you were “worried about”? Any anti social loners who you could tell were having a really hard time fitting in?
@Gunnar - kids today grow up online in a vacuum. Many lack the social skills needed to be able to empathise with the plight of those around them. While that, in and of itself, is not the problem right there, it is certainly a contribution.
Throw divorce, low self esteem, violent video games, psychiatric meds and bullying into the equation and…hey presto.
Also, yeah…I’m surprised that no one has so far come out and publicly blamed Marilyn Manson.
Evil Dildo.
There, we’ve said his name three times now. Maybe he’ll appear. Like Candyman. Where you is Danny boy?
Evil D is on holiday. Rest assured he will be back in 2013 to rock your collective socks off.
Also, yeah…I’m surprised that no one has so far come out and publicly blamed Marilyn Manson.
There’s been a few reports that jumped on the “Goth” angle. Not really as any explanation or focusing on it, but throwing it in the headlines and such. It seems to stem from the fact that someone interviewed referred to him as a “Loner, one of the goths”. These labels are really arbitrary and typically thrown by people with no understanding of any youth scene or culture to begin with. He’s pale – must be a goth. He likes Twilight – must be a goth. He . . . . you get the idea.
It’ll alway be the same as it was with our parents. My mom or dad would see a glam rocker in the 80’s and proclaim that they saw a “punker”. Who cares? It’s all meaningless and I’m sure if I were asked to connect all the latest terms of scene, emo, dubstepper, hipster, or whatever to their appropriate individuals I would fail miserably as well.
Either way, I’m glad it’s not getting played up (the sources that mention it at all are pretty scarce) here, though a friend in the UK said that angle is pretty prevalent in her neck of the woods.