lol Red Dawn… awful but great
All the Commies and Nukes of Russia really ain’t got squat compared to a handful of partly armed good-ol-boys with a pickup truck and a bit of wilderness training.
Just sayin’ . . . Guns keep us protected from Commies and Graboids and I’ll be damned if I let either of them get their hands (or tongues) on me!
Gunnar - I know that our resident law scholar Gerda hasn’t told you this, but Chicago actually has some of the strictest anti-worm laws in the country, and yet has one of the highest incidences of Graboid attacks.
In Switzerland, in the other hand, each citizen is REQUIRED to own a giant worm as part of the civil defense, and yet Graboid attacks are practically non-existent.
Something for all of you anti-wormers to ponder…
Gunnar - I know that our resident law scholar Gerda hasn’t told you this, but Chicago actually has some of the strictest anti-worm laws in the country, and yet has one of the highest incidences of Graboid attacks.
In Switzerland, in the other hand, each citizen is REQUIRED to own a giant worm as part of the civil defense, and yet Graboid attacks are practically non-existent.
Something for all of you anti-wormers to ponder…
Thanks. I don’t often hear anything from that side of the issue. While I respect your views (or maybe you’re just presenting information for consideration) I will be the first to admit . . .
I don’t care if this makes me sound callous or racist or something, but if any damn Graboids come onto my property, I’m shooting them (or perhaps lighting some dynamite bursts to drive them flying into a giant ravine somewhere).
But I’ll kill first and ask questions later.
They are not our friends. The only good Graboid is a dead Graboid.
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Thanks. I don’t often hear anything from that side of the issue. While I respect your views (or maybe you’re just presenting information for consideration) I will be the first to admit . . .
I don’t care if this makes me sound callous or racist or something, but if any damn Graboids come onto my property, I’m shooting them (or perhaps lighting some dynamite bursts to drive them flying into a giant ravine somewhere).
But I’ll kill first and ask questions later.
They are not our friends. The only good Graboid is a dead Graboid.[/reply]
Oh, here we go again - it’s always the “Graboids’” fault, isn’t it.
Look, it’s a well-known fact that Graboid-related conflict didn’t even begin until that series of blatant “false-flag” attacks in Arizona that were set up by the CIA.
Man, the State is simply playing a classic divide-and-conquer game of “human vs. Graboid,” trying to get you peons to duke it out for some tiny parcel of desert while they continue to consolidate all the REAL power for themselves.
This was all made clear in one of the tracks originally recorded for Ministry’s Relapse album, but certain, uh, official pressure forced them to replace it with the comparitively tame “99 Percenters.”
As for being “droned in ten seconds,” well - that is ultimately up to the military personnel themselves. They will have the final decision whether or not to turn their weapons on a huge portion of their own people. Yes, plenty of precedents for that exist already, but let’s just admit for now that neither of us know exactly how the winds will blow in such a crisis situation.
I do. The government pays $$$ at the end of the day, while the militants pay pride. Can’t feed my family with pride. We have no chance
lol Red Dawn… awful but great
it was written by hardcore wingnut john milius
weirdly he wrote conan the barbarian, and that was screenwritten by arch lefty oliver stone. I’m guessing they didn’t share a cubicle
you can take that one to the bank
… the blood bank.
I do. The government pays $$$ at the end of the day, while the militants pay pride. Can’t feed my family with pride. We have no chance
Sure, it’s possible. The “military first” policy adopted by countries like North Korea seems to have done wonders for its government’s longevity; pay only the army a living wage and you have a pretty good means of quashing dissent.
But the promise of a paycheck doesn’t always trump other concerns, and may not prevent some individuals from going insane at the prospect of being told to kill their own. The Iraq occupation resulted in an unheard of level of refusals to obey orders, an unprecedented number of military suicides, and other things related to the pressure of having to kill and die for bullshit. So, simply put, I just don’t expect the entire military to say “Yes Sir, I Will” in unison for long, if there is some kind of huge insurrection here.
So, simply put, I just don’t expect the entire military to say “Yes Sir, I Will” in unison for long, if there is some kind of huge insurrection here.
I don’t either but the amount of people that will say “yes sir” far outweighs the ones that will not and therefore renders the “non yes sirs” irrelevant. We still have no chance.
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I do. The government pays $$$ at the end of the day, while the militants pay pride. Can’t feed my family with pride. We have no chance
Sure, it’s possible. The “military first” policy adopted by countries like North Korea seems to have done wonders for its government’s longevity; pay only the army a living wage and you have a pretty good means of quashing dissent.
But the promise of a paycheck doesn’t always trump other concerns, and may not prevent some individuals from going insane at the prospect of being told to kill their own. The Iraq occupation resulted in an unheard of level of refusals to obey orders, an unprecedented number of military suicides, and other things related to the pressure of having to kill and die for bullshit. So, simply put, I just don’t expect the entire military to say “Yes Sir, I Will” in unison for long, if there is some kind of huge insurrection here.[/reply]
What about the holocaust, or the various purges in dictatorships, or civil wars - militaries can turn on their own. Auschwitz staff often turned to alcohol - but they still carried out orders.
Please don’t think I’m rubbishing your points about morale amongst Iraq personnel though - those things are significant. But still - soldiers obey orders, and the state persecutes fifth columnists. To what degree depends on the crises.
Really we have endless state sponsored genocides and civil wars - but how many examples of militaries downing tools and refusing to fight? Can’t think of any off the top of my head.
I really really hope you are right but it feels like you’re giving the benefit of the doubt whilst ignoring historical and contemporary precedents
What about the holocaust
Never happened.
Graboids piss me off.
At least someone understands the difference between right and wrong.
I am a cartoon liberal but media doesn’t influence people? what about advertising, propaganda, news media, religious texts? People are mostly muppets who believe any old shit
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What about the holocaust
Never happened.[/reply]
Don’t make me hate you. That’s Not even close to funny
What about the holocaust, or the various purges in dictatorships, or civil wars - militaries can turn on their own. Auschwitz staff often turned to alcohol - but they still carried out orders.
In the holocaust example specifically, I think Jews were successfully demonized as an alien element in German society, and so I’m not sure if your average German citizen felt that “their own” were being slaughtered. But yes, otherwise, I see where you’re coming from.
Please don’t think I’m rubbishing your points about morale amongst Iraq personnel though - those things are significant. But still - soldiers obey orders, and the state persecutes fifth columnists. To what degree depends on the crises.
Really we have endless state sponsored genocides and civil wars - but how many examples of militaries downing tools and refusing to fight? Can’t think of any off the top of my head.
There are contemporary examples of when uprisings could have put down with massive violence, but weren’t. The 1989 ‘Velvet Revolution’ in Prague, for one.
I really really hope you are right but it feels like you’re giving the benefit of the doubt whilst ignoring historical and contemporary precedents
Respectfully (and I do respect you, since you can debate a touchy topic without being an asshole - rare in our times!), I think it’s also healthy not to assume that anything’s already been decided. The gods of chaos are hard at work this century.
There are definite historical patterns that we can analyze, but I don’t think these always point to historical inevitabilities.
Speaking of Gestapo tactics, i read this article yesterday, a mobile phone company has admitted that the govt can tap phone calls any time they feel like it, pretty much anywhere, without a warrant. I thought it was pretty bold of them to just come out and admit this. In Northern Ireland the British government has long had the ability to monitor phone calls, it started as a means to intercept terrorist’s plans. However, they abused it and listened in whenever they wanted and because what they did was illegal, they allowed certain atrocities to happen, just pretended they didn’t hear it. So, while i wasn’t that surprised this was happening, i was surprised at how widespread it is.
The U.S. government is already at war with the citizens of this country. It’s just not a shooting war but it is certainly about control.
and have been for the last 30+ years
Witness the ceaseless spying by the NSA and other government entities that know no bounds.
Patriot act. completely legal and asked/begged for by the citizens. Even used as a campaign tool to shame opponents who did not vote for it.
Even local police departments are becoming more militarized. Most police vehicles, at least around here, have automatic license plate scanners. The police keep a record of every plate scanned for an indefinite period. Now the Gestapo has a record of anytime you were within scanning of a police car every time, day or night.
We have that here too (or are getting them) that doesn’t bother me so much as when you are out in public there is no such thing as privacy, as far as I’m concerned and IMO
However, the fighters are still there and we are going home.
Good. It’s not our fight or our job to be world police at our own expense
Speaking of Gestapo tactics, i read this article yesterday, a mobile phone company has admitted that the govt can tap phone calls any time they feel like it, pretty much anywhere, without a warrant. I thought it was pretty bold of them to just come out and admit this. In Northern Ireland the British government has long had the ability to monitor phone calls, it started as a means to intercept terrorist’s plans. However, they abused it and listened in whenever they wanted and because what they did was illegal, they allowed certain atrocities to happen, just pretended they didn’t hear it. So, while i wasn’t that surprised this was happening, i was surprised at how widespread it is.
This is all shit allowed by the patriot act. Why is everyone so outraged? We all encouraged and supported all of this 'cause you know terrorists and freedom and stuff.
Obama did not vote for the reauthorizing of the patriot act in 2005 but then as president he reauthorized the most egregious portions of it.
Speaking of Gestapo tactics, i read this article yesterday, a mobile phone company has admitted that the govt can tap phone calls any time they feel like it, pretty much anywhere, without a warrant. I thought it was pretty bold of them to just come out and admit this. In Northern Ireland the British government has long had the ability to monitor phone calls, it started as a means to intercept terrorist’s plans. However, they abused it and listened in whenever they wanted and because what they did was illegal, they allowed certain atrocities to happen, just pretended they didn’t hear it. So, while i wasn’t that surprised this was happening, i was surprised at how widespread it is.
This is all shit allowed by the patriot act. Why is everyone so outraged? We all encouraged and supported all of this 'cause you know terrorists and freedom and stuff.
Obama did not vote for the reauthorizing of the patriot act in 2005 but then as president he reauthorized the most egregious portions of it.[/reply]
This is throughout Europe though, not in the US. I was surprised at the scale of it, and that a company like Vodaphone would publicly acknowledge that it’s going on. I think it’s outrageous because in Europe there was nowhere near the amount of support for the wars since 9/11 that there was in the US, but it seems our governments are just as much a pack of fucking jackals as Bush, Obama and the others.
This is all shit allowed by the patriot act. Why is everyone so outraged? We all encouraged and supported all of this 'cause you know terrorists and freedom and stuff.
It is funny how important marketing and branding is for various laws and bills. Oh, “Patriot Act”? Well, yeah, I’m all for that, I mean, I’m patriotic. I wouldn’t want to vote against that. People will think I’m un-American. If they’d been straight up and called it the “Domestic Spying Act” or the “No Privacy Act”, it wouldn’t have a chance.
Same goes for every new law aimed against sex offenders or guns. They always give a cute little innocent girl’s name to it. “Megan’s Law”, “Angela’s Law”, etc. People subconsciously think, I believe, that they’re voting for or against these kids. Whoa! Can’t oppose the “Samantha Act”! She’s been through too much already!
[reply]This is all shit allowed by the patriot act. Why is everyone so outraged? We all encouraged and supported all of this 'cause you know terrorists and freedom and stuff.
It is funny how important marketing and branding is for various laws and bills. Oh, “Patriot Act”? Well, yeah, I’m all for that, I mean, I’m patriotic. I wouldn’t want to vote against that. People will think I’m un-American. If they’d been straight up and called it the “Domestic Spying Act” or the “No Privacy Act”, it wouldn’t have a chance.
Same goes for every new law aimed against sex offenders or guns. They always give a cute little innocent girl’s name to it. “Megan’s Law”, “Angela’s Law”, etc. People subconsciously think, I believe, that they’re voting for or against these kids. Whoa! Can’t oppose the “Samantha Act”! She’s been through too much already![/reply]
Absolutely right. How about “No child left behind” where it leaves a TON of children behind by not funding the poorer schools.
Should be illegal - laws should just be called law #34567979793267 or whatever
The content of the proposal should be the only thing able to sway people. Giving it a nice name to influence people is underhanded - why not just give them a roll of twenties while you’re at it