Edward Snowden

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[reply][reply]I am not going to let some 18th century ideals come in the way of dieing.

I can’t believe I forgot to include an awesomely ironic “HA HA” to your silly post.

Funny, since you’re more likely to be killed by a gun, and even better than likely, that it be your gun, than you are to be killed by some nuke from the middle east.

So, stomp on the fourth amendment in terms of safety against a far fetched threat of death and antiquated ideals, but try to regulate the actual threat of death that is the second amendment and all of the sudden those 18th century ideals are the word of God and no longer antiquated.

Are you a “choose and ignore” “Christian” too?

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Sure, and what are the odds of dieing because a giant airplane runs into the building you happen to be working in? Smarty pants.[/reply]
ugh… 1 day in 220 years (it looks more impressive if I do a straight day ratio: 1 in 80,300). versus… wait… what’s the killing spree/dead by a gun odds this MONTH?
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Anything else, fraidy cat?
No hard feelings. I’d still buy ya beer if we ever met. you and prologue both deserve a beer.
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grmpysmrf

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What the hell are you even talking about? I am not entertaining the notion of some joker in California jumping into an airplane, coming to my house on the other coast, and going Rambo on me.

I doesn’t have to be some joker in Cali. it’s anyone that has a problem with you at any time. or wrong place wrong time.

If you want to get serious and talk retaining weapons for the remote case that you mind have to defend yourself against an out of control govt then we can.

But you won’t and that’s the delusion that you keep telling yourself. your pee shooters are no match against the government’s arsenal. and if you think the entire armed forces is going rogue along with you, you’re out of your mind. government has the power to feed the loyalists… who are you going to alliance with when you’re hungry? the starving rebels or the fed loyalists? You/We have no chance.

I am not worried about someone sneaking into my house… that can happen any day of the week. But, it rarely does happen because most intruders are smart enough to know that there is a chance someone might be waiting with a pistol in the nightstand. If they want to wait outside til I am asleep then they can try it.

You should be worried because that happens way more often than planes crashing into buildings or the USS Cole or some embassy on some far away land that’s supposed represent the USA.

But, to entertain you, I know a guy who snitched on someone. That someone, after getting out of prison, stalked the dude, hid in his basement til he went to bed, and then went into the guys room with the intention of killing him. Guess what, the dude slept with a loaded deer rifle and shot the guy and killed him with one shot. So, so much for your idea. It might work, but odds are you’d botch it.

First off, I don’t buy this story for a second… Snitchy boy woke up in the middle of the night for no reason what-so-ever to out draw a guy (in the midst of the fog of sleep no less) that was sneaking into his bedroom with a loaded gun? (and his full senses about him) I’ll believe that when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert… Weird how his keen detection skills woke him up from the “dead” (ha ha jokes) of sleep but didn’t alert him during the day that someone had sneaked into his basement [rolleyes]

Let’s pretend this story is real though for the sake of argument. I mean I guess it could be, provided the criminal had heavy feet and wore tap dancing shoes while he was “sneaking” up on the sleeping prey… How many stories end the way you just described versus old man found dead of a gunshot wound in bed because he (A) was an idiot and slept with a loaded deer rifle and rolled over on it and shot himself. (B) was killed by a burglar while he slept with his loaded deer rifle and now the criminal has whatever gun he had and NOW a loaded deer rifle as well. © Killed a loved one because they were a heavy footed tap dance shoe wearing intruder there to kill him.

Anecdotal evidence rarely serves to prove one’s point.
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Yea, but the whole Snowden thing is about the govt snooping in order to prevent these things from happening.

First off, there’s no proof that illegal snooping stops anything. Hell, W had a presidentail brief in hand that said Bin laden was determined to attack in the US using our own planes (a technique taught to the middle east under order from Bush senior when he was director of the CIA under Reagan)and that shit still happened. 3 cheers for snooping!

What about USS Cole? What about that federal building in Oklahoma? These things have happened more than once every 220 years. If it weren’t for intelligence snooping this stuff out it could happen more. Do you not acknowledge that?

I have no problem with snooping, but it needs to be done legally. we have checks and balances for a reason. The US government doesn’t exactly have the greatest track record when it comes to altruism.

Or are you just willing to take your chances and hope you aren’t at the wrong place at the wrong time?

Yeah, of course. those instances happen so rarely that I’m not worried about it.

what are the DAILY odds of dying in a terrorist attack versus some asshole exercising his second amendment “right?”

Let’s look again at your priorities… you’re willing to take your chances EVERYDAY with the very real threat of some nut and a semi automatic weapon taking you out because you could be at the wrong place at the wrong time because you refuse to budge on the second amendment but the seldom threat of a terrorist attack and you’re willing to throw away your right to illegal search and seizure “for safety”. brilliant.
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This thread has shown the ridiculousness and absurdity of both sides of the argument (with the exception of Prologue).

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^Exactly! In the age old debate of Republican gun control versus gay welfare and abortion rights and liberal immigrants and blah blah blah . . .

Beer always wins.

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You’re so not getting it. It is pointless to even talk to you about this stuff.

Who’s Not getting it?
You keep jumping from topic to topic screaming about booby traps and guns and then being clueless when someone addresses your crazy talk. As long as it makes sense to you that’s all that matters, right?
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[reply]Anything else, fraidy cat?
No hard feelings. I’d still buy ya beer if we ever met. you and prologue both deserve a beer.
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grmpysmrf

Chimay Grand Reserve for me please. Only buy the big bottles with the cork. I’ll bring some firearms with me. We can go to the range and drink some outstanding Belgian brews after.[/reply]
You got it!
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[reply]
what are the DAILY odds of dying in a terrorist attack versus some asshole exercising his second amendment “right?”

That’s an absurd statement. The 2nd Amendment gives one the right to own firearms. It doesn’t give one the right to go out and kill.
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except that that’s what happens with a frequency that’s all too alarmingly common place.

SCOTUS has found on two separate occasions that the 2nd Amendment applies to individuals.

District of Columbia v. Heller has found unequivocaly that the 2nd Amendments protects an individual’s right to possess a firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home, as well as sporting uses within federal enclaves.

McDonald v. Chicago affirmed that the Heller case applies to all citizens, is an individual right, and not just those in federal enclaves such as DC.

well, no kidding? My point is that it’s bullshit that carmangary thinks that it’s ok for the government to trample on/completely disregard the fourth amendment in the name of safety. but to modify the second amendment in the name of safety is somehow a slight against god or some other untouchable taboo.
why is that so hard to understand?
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This thread has shown the ridiculousness and absurdity of [strike]both sides of the[/strike]< DJ PON-3’S> argument (with the exception of Prologue).

Move along child, grown ups are talking.
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Did y’all know that more than 3500 people die from drowning every year in the US alone? In WATER!!! And they don’t even regulate that stuff, Man!!! It’s like, any damn kid in America can just walk right into Wal-Mart and buy as much water as he wants and do whatever he wants with it.

If a kid wants to buy like 1000 pallets of Evian and then fill up a pool and then shove another kid in there . . . yep! Boom! One more drowning that didn’t need to happen! And yet the damn politicians don’t even talk about it!!!

I’m just sayin’ . . . .

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All this talk of the government being evil bastards who could come for you at any moment has reminded me; Happy 4th of July to my American friends, hope you have a good one!

Speaking of which:

[image]http://mlkshk.com/r/SBQA[/image]

Um…not sure how to tell you this…

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Holy shit, for several reasons

  1. Does 1776 ring a bell? I’m not even from America and i know that much.

  2. How fucking arrogant/stupid do you have to be to think history started at the same time as your country? The Year Zero: God creates the US! All history flows from this point.

  3. How stupid do you have to be to believe that the planet is actually only 2013 years old? I think people are just saying that they believe that to annoy rational people, they cannot seriously believe it, can they? If they do believe it, then why did they wait until the last few years to all suddenly come crawling out of the woodwork all at once and announce it? Because there’s strength in numbers? Is it because they thought it wouldn’t seem quite as fucking ridiculous if thousands of morons came out with this claptrap all at once?

I mean, what year do the people above think the fucking bible’s set in, specifically the bits with Jesus? For this to even remotely make sense that would have to be the very start of the world, meaning the Old Testament is somehow set before anything had been created. The people in that screenshot are actually even stupider than creationists, at least the creationists give a bit of leeway with their “The Earth is 6000 years old” nonsense.

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Don’t worry. It’s obviously just hijinks, Bro. We’re not THAT stupid.

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Don’t worry. It’s obviously just hijinks, Bro. We’re not THAT stupid.

Haha, i need sleep, the heat and tiredness has obviously softened my mind [:)]

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If you would attempt to understand where I am coming from instead of just assuming things perhaps you would come to some other realization.

Seriously?! what are you… 16? “Nobody understands me.” I understand where you are coming from based on what you write and have written in the past. Blame yourself.

The way you are characterizing my attitude is off base and you continue to ignore or make a caricature of everything I say.

Specifically, what am I mischaracterizing? I’m characterizing your attitude based on the stuff you are writing. I haven’t ignored anything you’ve written (See why I dissect all sentences or thoughts in these debates? Otherwise you get “You’re ignoring the most important parts of my posts.”)

I’ve tried to make things clear but you go off on a tangent.

You have made things very clear… and yet you call it “mischaracterizing.”

You think the examples of some dude with a rifle waking up in the middle of the night to shoot a murderer is enough to outweigh the multiple acts of irresponsibility that happen with fire arms everyday. You think the arsenal the US public has built up is completely unique and no other country has done this and reversed it and your wrong.

I run off on a tangent? are you kidding? is that supposed to be funny? you’ve run off to multiple topics in this exchange. I merely humor you and follow you there.

So, just realize that you have no idea what I mean and call it a day.

Maybe if you could express yourself clearly instead of just hoping I’m part of the borg and think I’m just gonna “feel ya’ on this one.”
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Did y’all know that more than 3500 people die from drowning every year in the US alone? In WATER!!!

Psssssst, hey buddy you looking to buy some water? Follow me back to my van where I can sell you a swimming pool. Oh, yeah, that bitch will never see it coming.
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I was listening to some comedy on the radio today and Kevin Nealon said (I might be slightly off) . . .

“Guns don’t kill people. People do. That’s why I never have any people in my house. And if you do, you should keep them locked up.”

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Pure profanity, the the last result of the feeble minded with no vocabulary…
is this how you think you win in a debate? not by explaining yourself but just calling the other person names? … so that’s what I’ve been doing wrong. [rolleyes]
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[reply]Pure profanity, the the last result of the feeble minded with no vocabulary…
is this how you think you win in a debate? not by explaining yourself but just calling the other person names? … so that’s what I’ve been doing wrong. [rolleyes]
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grmpysmrf

It’s how I end a discussion with jerks who can’t seem to understand anything and have no hope of being able to discuss anything without going into ridiculous circles. You fall into this category. Congrats.[/reply]
right. I’m the jerk cause I won’t blindly agree with your nonsense.
I understand your side based on what you’re writing. If you think I’m going in circles perhaps you should look at what it is your posting.

I ask you again, tell me what it is that you think I’m missing/or don’t understand… Or do you have the ability to do so? Where am I wrong? Dissect my posts and show me where.

I dissect posts 'cause I want people to understand what I mean and don’t want to be misunderstood. So, show me where I’m misreading you.
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