Atom, I cannot help you because you cannot help yourself.
Statistically, US swimming pools kill more people per year than all terrorists combined per year.
First off, you still haven’t told us what the point is of this information. Second, you already admitted that you are SELECTIVELY using information (you needed to exclude certain years of large scale attacks) so even if I stretch myself and make a point on your behalf it’s already compromised.
Atom, I cannot help you because you cannot help yourself.
Statistically, US swimming pools kill more people per year than all terrorists combined per year.
You are absolutely right. You cannot help me and I wouldn’t want your help because thus far you have said nothing of substance and shown a complete lack of intelligence.
Let me make this perfectly clear for you (as if I haven’t already): YOUR SHITTY SWIMMING POOL EXAMPLE IS NOT RELEVANT TO THE DISCUSSION AND IT MAKES NO SENSE TO KEEP MENTIONING IT OR WHY YOU EVEN BROUGHT IT UP TO BEGIN WITH. Repeating it over and over again doesn’t make whatever argument you’re trying to make valid.
I don’t care if it’s true and I don’t even want a source. It’s a horrible argument. As I have stated already, and you have continuously ignored, swimming pools are not people, they do not think, they do not choose to drown people. Swimming pool drownings are all circumstantial and entirely different from terrorist attacks.
For what it’s worth I can tell you what swimming pools don’t do:
Swimming pools do not debase and degrade women as their subservient slaves.
Swimming pools do not call for the death of anyone who “insults” the Prophet Muhammad
Swimming pools do not refer to Jews and Christians as “pigs” or “infidels”.
Swimming pools do not infringe when it comes to the rights of other people on earth to live freely and choose their own beliefs
Swimming pools do not hunt down innocent people to kill and maim all in the name of Allah
Swimming pools do not stone young girls to death or set them on fire for being raped
Swimming pools did not orchestrate the attacks on the World Trade Centre
I think the idea is that we keep better eyes on our swimming pools than we do on terrorists and yet all that extra swimming pool “security” (if you will) still has the swimming pool claiming more victims… So if we can’t keep our own back yard from killing (even though we take all these precautions) how do we expect keep terrorists from sneaking in and killing us when we don’t watch them nearly as well as we do our swimming pools.
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[url http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/21/17848814-badly-wounded-boston-marathon-bombing-suspect-responding-to-questions?lite]he’s starting to “talk”
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grmpysmrf
Swimming pools do not refer to Jews and Christians as “pigs” or “infidels”.
Since you mention it, I do giggle a bit every time I hear or read that the suspect is being treated at Beth Israel hospital. I hope he’s treated only by Jewish doctors and he’s kept alive with Jewish blood.
No, it’s not of any relevance to the story. But it does make me smile nonetheless.
the suspect is being treated at Beth Israel hospital. I hope he’s treated only by Jewish doctors and he’s kept alive with Jewish blood.
I caught that too. 
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I think the idea is that we keep better eyes on our swimming pools than we do on terrorists and yet all that extra swimming pool “security” (if you will) still has the swimming pool claiming more victims… So if we can’t keep our own back yard from killing (even though we take all these precautions) how do we expect keep terrorists from sneaking in and killing us when we don’t watch them nearly as well as we do our swimming pools.
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grmpysmrf
Bingo!
The pool is a static hazard and the terrorists are dynamic hazards. How can we get rid of the danger at the source before it ever becomes a threat? We watch our pools pretty well: fences, life guards, adult supervision, but children still drown. We monitor our no-fly lists, our boarders, phone calls, finances, Internet, etc., but they still manage to get through all that.
The region’s issue is with Russia, not Isreal or the US. Sure there are Russians who are Jewish, but it wouldn’t just be the Russian Jewish they would be fighting against. He killed a Chinese woman and two Americans; he didn’t take out a rabbi and/or a temple.
The report is older bro became radicalized in a Cambridge, MA mosque. Why is it that everyone in that mosque was not involved with the incident (maybe they were)?
Why do all Muslims not commit the above mentioned crimes? Why is it just a few of their massive amounts that commit those crimes? Is it their village customs, family customs, crazed clerics, individual rage, individual mental illness, etc. that is driving them? Is it really the Koran, Allah, their prophit, and/or their theocracy that is driving them? Is it driving them any more than any other religious American/Christian nutter who takes out abortion clinic doctors because they chose to ignore the thou shall not kill commandment? BTW, some of those same atrocities are also committed in non-Muslim parts of the world.
Is building a better fence and/or allocating more parental supervision the solution? Or is there another solution, a better solution that is proactive versus reactive? Is it getting rid of all radical clerics who are teaching killing in the name of and/or cutting off their resources through a parnership with the countries in which they originate? What do we do a out the home-grown radicals? Is there anything we can do?
Scientifically speaking, tomatoes are fruits, not vegetables.
But nobody puts tomatoes in fruit salad. Sometimes dogs eat their own poop even though the nutritional value is substantially less than that of dog food. The Earth orbits around the sun at more than 60,000 miles an hour, yet United only gives travelers 400 miles credit when they take an hour-long flight from LA to San Francisco. And don’t even get me started on the goddamned periodic table of the elements.
We park on driveways and drive on parkways!
I saw a cool video recently that showed babies/toddlers/little people who trained to float in swimming pools. It was weird but it looks like it can be done.
Jihadis + swimming pools = double death. According to Fox News, Jihadis are drowning dismembered body parts to show just how bloody awful they think America is.
Yes, I am aware of how long this is and I don’t expect most of you to suffer through it:
[reply]I think the idea is that we keep better eyes on our swimming pools than we do on terrorists and yet all that extra swimming pool “security” (if you will) still has the swimming pool claiming more victims… So if we can’t keep our own back yard from killing (even though we take all these precautions) how do we expect keep terrorists from sneaking in and killing us when we don’t watch them nearly as well as we do our swimming pools.
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Bingo!
The pool is a static hazard and the terrorists are dynamic hazards. How can we get rid of the danger at the source before it ever becomes a threat? We watch our pools pretty well: fences, life guards, adult supervision, but children still drown. We monitor our no-fly lists, our boarders, phone calls, finances, Internet, etc., but they still manage to get through all that.[/reply]
You just explained the difference between the two. One being “static” and the other being “dynamic”. Yet, you still compare them or try to use something like a fence and swimming pool as examples for dealing with terrorism. Two very different things and much better examples can be made.
This is like me coming into a thread about a drone strike in another country and saying, “Well, you know, more people die from diarrhea than drone strikes. Should we make sure more people are stocked with Imodium and Pepto-Bismol? Should we monitor more closely people who have diarrhea and only allow ‘terrorists’ or our ‘targets’ to have diarrhea? If we can’t stop diarrhea how are we supposed to stop terrorism?” Actually that might make more sense and it’s still incredibly absurd.
And aside from that - many “terrorists” do not need to “sneak” in. Many are born and raise here or from within the country they attack.
The region’s issue is with Russia, not Isreal or the US. Sure there are Russians who are Jewish, but it wouldn’t just be the Russian Jewish they would be fighting against. He killed a Chinese woman and two Americans; he didn’t take out a rabbi and/or a temple.
Are you sure this is about a “region’s issue(s)”?
So, what does the race of the victims matter in an attack like this? They weren’t picking and choosing in the crowd. That much should be obvious. They were trying to take out as many as possible and cause a large amount of serious injuries and devastation. I won’t go any further until we find out the motives (even though it’s looking more and more and more like religion was the motive or motivator. Which isn’t a surprise at all).
The report is older bro became radicalized in a Cambridge, MA mosque. Why is it that everyone in that mosque was not involved with the incident (maybe they were)?
And we’re at religion, which is fine with me.
Not all religious people are terrorists who blow people and buildings up. I’m not so ridiculous to believe that every religious person I meet supports slavery, stoning children, homophobia, jihad, sexism, racism, etc. But the Muslims who take the Koran word for word and believe it to be the ultimate truth, just as it says an adherent to Islam is supposed to, are a major problem and we are conditioned to believe that we should not criticize Islam because of these moderates who claim the fundamentalists got it wrong or don’t represent Islam. People are even threatened and killed if they criticize Islam. So, we’re left with the fear of being called a bigot and/or being killed for hurting someone’s feelings. And god forbid you should ever feel the urge to draw a cartoon of Muhammad.* Especially one in which you criticize the religion. Regardless of how tasteless it may be. It doesn’t matter if you agree with what someone is saying. Your religion doesn’t give you the right to kill them. But I digress.
The fundamentalists live(d) as the Koran says life should be lived. That is the issue and the concern. Islam is not a religion of peace and anyone who says otherwise is either in denial, has not read or studied the Koran, is a fool, or all of the above if they are willing to make such a claim. And the moderates who makes these claims are just as big a problem because they’ve conditioned us to believe that their religion is one of peace when evidence, and the book itself, proves that that is simply not at all true.
It’s possible that a man can be intelligent enough to create a nuclear bomb and yet be irrational enough to use it on people who don’t share the same beliefs as him.
Why do all Muslims not commit the above mentioned crimes? Why is it just a few of their massive amounts that commit those crimes? Is it their village customs, family customs, crazed clerics, individual rage, individual mental illness, etc. that is driving them? Is it really the Koran, Allah, their prophit, and/or their theocracy that is driving them? Is it driving them any more than any other religious American/Christian nutter who takes out abortion clinic doctors because they chose to ignore the thou shall not kill commandment? BTW, some of those same atrocities are also committed in non-Muslim parts of the world.
I addressed this above but I suppose I’ll do it again and go into greater detail (is that even possible?).
Religious moderates give cover to the fundamentalists. Any time something like this happens the moderates come out and say things very similar to what you are saying as if that means religion (especially their own) had no part in what happened and we just accept it because if you don’t you are considered a “bigot” or “intolerant” to someone’s beliefs - how ironic. The difference is that typically fundamentalists/extremists take their preferred “holy book” word for word as they have been told they are supposed to and as the book says they should.
The fundamentalists are not making excuses or trying to find ways to make it so that their beliefs fit into a rational society. They are trying to make society fit with their irrational beliefs.
To say “a few” commit these terrible acts is a massive understatement. These acts of violence do not just occur here. The middle east is a prime example of where many of them occur on a daily basis. The London bombings - which unfortunately it seems many Americans forget happened or are even unaware that it happened at all - is another example. There are many, many others. It’s widespread and because it is widespread that only further shows that a major cause of it is religion and that the effect is extremists who are more than happy to die for their beliefs, especially if they can take out a few infidels in the process.
It is a rage fueled by the belief that one knows all of the answers and that others are less holy or are a direct threat because they do not share this knowledge or adhere to the beliefs/rules. The brainwashing of children at a young age plays a part in it as well. You ask, “Is it really the Koran, Allah, their prophit, and/or their theocracy that is driving them?” and I say yes, it is. Of course. To state otherwise would be foolish.
However, it is not necessarily driving them anymore than any other religious “nutter”. Which I pointed out in your earlier “example” when you brought up abortion clinics (again) and the 1996 Olympic Bombings. I don’t find Muslim fundamentalists any more insane than Christians fundamentalists. “Thou shall not kill” is one of many contradictions within the bible. The bible is filled with graphic violence and murder and it even condones it. It’s schizophrenic. Yet, people are so quick to point out the “good” parts in some attempt to dismiss the bad. As if the “good” cancels out the stoning, sexism, homophobia, killing of women and children, and the constant murder done by men in the name of god and in many passages even done by god.
Where exactly is a “non-Muslim” place? “Muslim” isn’t a race. They’re a follower of a religion. There are Muslims everywhere. In fact, it’s estimated there’s 1.5 billion adherents to Islam** (and there’s likely a lot more). It’s not regulated to one specific area (although there are more in certain parts of the world), so naturally these things occur all over the place. Which should be more proof that it is not necessarily because of where they might be from or where the religion is most prominent but because of the religion itself.
Is building a better fence and/or allocating more parental supervision the solution? Or is there another solution, a better solution that is proactive versus reactive? Is it getting rid of all radical clerics who are teaching killing in the name of and/or cutting off their resources through a parnership with the countries in which they originate? What do we do a out the home-grown radicals? Is there anything we can do?
How are you supposed to be proactive after being attacked? Reacting is the natural response.
It can’t be stopped and it will never go away. However, what we can do is stop being so sensitive about religion and stop making excuses for it. We can stop acting as if it’s above being criticized and not tolerate being bullied or threatened if we do decide to criticize a religion. It often bleeds into politics which causes someone’s personal beliefs to have an impact on your life despite you not sharing those same beliefs.
Furthermore, we can criticize someone’s political beliefs until we’re blue in the face but criticize someone religious beliefs and you’re an intolerant asshole. They’re both choices, they both can be pushed on you at a young age. So, why is one treated with kid gloves and immune to criticism? People are extremely passionate, overly loyal, and ridiculous about both. I’ll take hurt feelings and brutal honesty over dead bodies and inequality.
** http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations#Adherent_estimates
Not all religious people are terrorists who blow people and buildings up. I’m not so ridiculous to believe that every religious person I meet supports slavery, stoning children, homophobia, jihad, sexism, racism, etc. But the Muslims who take the Koran word for word and believe it to be the ultimate truth, just as it says an adherent to Islam is supposed to, are a major problem and we are conditioned to believe that we should not criticize Islam because of these moderates who claim the fundamentalists got it wrong or don’t represent Islam. People are even threatened and killed if they criticize Islam. So, we’re left with the fear of being called a bigot and/or being killed for hurting someone’s feelings.
no. What happened that made you forget what you wrote in the first line of that quote? We don’t do it out of fear (although people in my neck have no problem talking openly about “rag heads” and “sand niggers”) for being called bigots. We don’t do it because we aren’t so ridiculous to believe that every religious person we meet supports slavery, stoning children, homophobia, jihad, sexism, racism, etc… You wrote that. How did you forget that in the span of 1 sentences? Granted it was a rather complex sentence but still…
Islam is not a religion of peace and anyone who says otherwise is either in denial, has not read or studied the Koran, is a fool,
Have you read or studied the Koran? Seriously. How long did it take you?
they’ve conditioned us to believe that their religion is one of peace when evidence, and the book itself, proves that that is simply not at all true.
same could be said of Christianity, what with all of the stoning, slavery, and incest
To say “a few” commit these terrible acts is a massive understatement.
It is a “few” compared to the massive #'s that follow the koran… well over a billion
I don’t find Muslim fundamentalists any more insane than Christians fundamentalists.
yeah but you aren’t presenting a thesis on Christianity the way you are on Muslims… so this statement lacks credibility.
How are you supposed to be proactive after being attacked? Reacting is the natural response.
Reacting is the only response AFTER something has happened. It is impossible to be proactive AFTER the event.
Furthermore, we can criticize someone’s political beliefs until we’re blue in the face but criticize someone religious beliefs and you’re an intolerant asshole.
I know from experience, you can be labeled an intolerant asshole for questioning someone’s political beliefs… TRUST ME!
I’ll take hurt feelings and brutal honesty over dead bodies and inequality.
often times brutal honesty gets you dead bodies and inequality.
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Have you read or studied the Koran? Seriously. How long did it take you?
You don’t need to study a piece of shit to know that shit stinks.
[reply] they’ve conditioned us to believe that their religion is one of peace when evidence, and the book itself, proves that that is simply not at all true.
same could be said of Christianity, what with all of the stoning, slavery, and incest
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Yeah, but Christianity does not preach these things. Unlike, oh I dunno…
[reply]Not all religious people are terrorists who blow people and buildings up. I’m not so ridiculous to believe that every religious person I meet supports slavery, stoning children, homophobia, jihad, sexism, racism, etc. But the Muslims who take the Koran word for word and believe it to be the ultimate truth, just as it says an adherent to Islam is supposed to, are a major problem and we are conditioned to believe that we should not criticize Islam because of these moderates who claim the fundamentalists got it wrong or don’t represent Islam. People are even threatened and killed if they criticize Islam. So, we’re left with the fear of being called a bigot and/or being killed for hurting someone’s feelings.
no. What happened that made you forget what you wrote in the first line of that quote? We don’t do it out of fear (although people in my neck have no problem talking openly about “rag heads” and “sand niggers”) for being called bigots. We don’t do it because we aren’t so ridiculous to believe that every religious person we meet supports slavery, stoning children, homophobia, jihad, sexism, racism, etc… You wrote that. How did you forget that in the span of 1 sentences? Granted it was a rather complex sentence but still…[/reply]
Nothing made me forget. I didn’t forget. What are you talking about?
I’m not talking about race or being called a “bigot” for actually being a bigot and using racist terms like “rag head” and “sand nigger”. As I’d already pointed out Muslim isn’t a race. I’m talking about being called a “religious bigot” for criticizing a religion. How you misunderstood what I said when I went out of my way to make myself perfectly clear is beyond me.
I don’t assume every religious person is a fundamentalist. I do find people who take their holy book word for word and believe that others should abide by their chosen rules to be fundamentalists and dangerous. Pretty simple.
Have you read or studied the Koran? Seriously. How long did it take you?
Yes. I read it some years back. Maybe 4-5 years ago? Not sure. I went on a binge. I was consuming as much religious and “non-religious” material I could at the time. I don’t know if I’d call it “studying” though. I mean, I’ve taken a lot of free time to research it to see whether the claims that it’s “peaceful” or “violent” were true.
How long did it take me? I honestly have no idea. That’s a strange question. You don’t just read something like that the same way you would a normal book. If you asked me, “How long did it take you to finish Blood Meridian?” I’d likely have an answer. The Koran? Afraid not.
same could be said of Christianity, what with all of the stoning, slavery, and incest
Agreed. I never said otherwise. I made it a point to include Christianity as well.
The “big three” Abrahamic religions are extremely similar so of course I’d mention Christianity along side Islam.
It is a “few” compared to the massive #'s that follow the koran… well over a billion[/replay]
Of course. But that doesn’t diminish the impact of those who have caused terrorist acts and murdered in the name of their god. It doesn’t lessen the impact of the wars and woman getting acid thrown into their faces.
[reply]I don’t find Muslim fundamentalists any more insane than Christians fundamentalists.
yeah but you aren’t presenting a thesis on Christianity the way you are on Muslims… so this statement lacks credibility.[/reply]
Why are you so quick to defend Islam but just as quick to complain if I don’t include Christianity in every other sentence. This conversation wasn’t about Christianity but I still made it a point to include it when relevant because it’s also guilty of many of the same things and I didn’t want people doing what you’re doing right now, which is complaining about how easy I’m going on Christianity.
My discontent can be direct towards practically every major religion. Christianity has never been on of them that received less criticism or disgust.
My opinion does not lack credibility just because I haven’t had the chance, or need, to go into detail regarding Christianity’s many, many, many faults.
I don’t see how it could lack credibility anyway since the source of that opinion happened to be the person making the statement.
How are you supposed to be proactive after being attacked? Reacting is the natural response.
Reacting is the only response AFTER something has happened. It is impossible to be proactive AFTER the event.[/reply]
Uh, yes. It is. And? That was my point. I can’t tell if you’re agreeing with me or arguing with me as if I didn’t already know that and respond like someone who knew what those two words meant.
I know from experience, you can be labeled an intolerant asshole for questioning someone’s political beliefs… TRUST ME!
As do I. Which is why I find this sensitivity towards Islam so frustrating.
I’ll take hurt feelings and brutal honesty over dead bodies and inequality.
often times brutal honesty gets you dead bodies and inequality.
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Many places are getting dead bodies and inequality anyway. Only right now most are keeping their mouths shut out of the fear of being one of those bodies. Which isn’t right. In it’s simplest form it’s basically bullying.
Maybe expressing frustration in a healthy way by discussing it and not being afraid of radical Muslims being offended will help cause some sort of shift or a change. Maybe not tolerating threats like… oh, I can’t believe I’m about to say it, France when it comes to extremists could help (I am certainly not implying that we should be as sensitive to “hate” speech though).
I’m not saying to go around bashing everyone who is religious. That’s pointless and hypocritical. I see other atheists do it all the time and it drives me insane. People just shouldn’t be afraid to disagree with or criticize a religion.
Is that a picture of Muhammad on your meme? They’re gonna fuckin hunt you down and kill you. Nice knowing you. Ya’ goner!
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Nothing made me forget. I didn’t forget. What are you talking about?
You start out talking about how not every person involved in Islam (or religion for that matter) is bat shit crazy, and you know this but then you go on to say we aren’t “allowed” to criticize Islam for being radicals. Which contradicts you saying that not everyone involved with Islam are radicals. Which one is it? Islam is a religion of radicals or not everyone is a radical?
If not everyone involved in Islam is a radical why would you want to call the religion radical instead of just calling those specific people radical?
I’m talking about being called a “religious bigot” for criticizing a religion.
I think it only comes off that way when you A) you try to make a different religion better or B) Single out a specific religion without really acknowledging that the shit you’re complaining about isn’t really specific to that one religion.
**Seriously, it comes off like you going on a 2 page rant about how black people rob liquor stores and shoot people and then in the middle somewhere you throw in a couple sentences about how all cultures have its fair share of thieves, and then you go back to railing against black people for stealing.
It begs the questions that if it’s all the same, why write “Islam” instead of writing just “Religion?”
How you misunderstood what I said when I went out of my way to make myself perfectly clear is beyond me.
Well we both know you’re not the clearest of writers here on the board, and then when you post a diatribe like that, it’s understandable that you would start to confuse yourself.
I don’t assume every religious person is a fundamentalist.
But you also post that the Islam religion is all radicals. They can’t be both
I do find people who take their holy book word for word and believe that others should abide by their chosen rules to be fundamentalists and dangerous. Pretty simple.
Who wouldn’t?
[reply]Have you read or studied the Koran? Seriously. How long did it take you?
How long did it take me? I honestly have no idea. That’s a strange question. You don’t just read something like that the same way you would a normal book.
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right, which is why I asked how long it took you. I guess a better question would’ve been how long was your fascination with it and did that length of time take you through the whole book?
[reply]same could be said of Christianity, what with all of the stoning, slavery, and incest
Agreed. I never said otherwise. I made it a point to include Christianity as well.
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See my “black people steal” example above… **
The “big three” Abrahamic religions are extremely similar so of course I’d mention Christianity along side Islam.
But Islam is getting the full brunt of your attack. If the “big Three” are just as bad shouldn’t you just be saying “religion?”
[reply]It is a “few” compared to the massive #'s that follow the koran… well over a billion
Of course. But that doesn’t diminish the impact of those who have caused terrorist acts and murdered in the name of their god. It doesn’t lessen the impact of the wars and woman getting acid thrown into their faces.
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right, but as you wrote above it does not represent their entire religion, either. Yeah, those people suck but they don’t speak for the whole group. So, why demonize the whole group?
[reply]I don’t find Muslim fundamentalists any more insane than Christians fundamentalists.
yeah but you aren’t presenting a thesis on Christianity the way you are on Muslims… so this statement lacks credibility.
Why are you so quick to defend Islam but just as quick to complain if I don’t include Christianity in every other sentence.
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Whoaaaaa, slow down their little fella’. I’m not defending Islam. I detest organized religion. I’m merely pointing out that you are picking on Islam while ignoring all the other religions that do the same shit. (just cause you write 1 or 2 sentences, stating that the “other religions do it to” does not excuse you from making Islam the focus) So, I think it’s a bit fucked up to keep naming Islam specifically when really what you mean is “all religions”
This conversation wasn’t about Christianity but I still made it a point to include it when relevant because it’s also guilty of many of the same things
Yeah, but the overall tone of your post was that it’s more horrible when Islam does it.
and I didn’t want people doing what you’re doing right now, which is complaining about how easy I’m going on Christianity.
Well, then don’t single out one religion.
My discontent can be direct towards practically every major religion.
I understand this, but your original post barely said “every religion.” It singled out Islam
Christianity has never been on of them that received less criticism or disgust.
Except in your original post here.
My opinion does not lack credibility just because I haven’t had the chance, or need, to go into detail regarding Christianity’s many, many, many faults.
It does when you spend your time detailing the faults of Islam.
I don’t see how it could lack credibility anyway since the source of that opinion happened to be the person making the statement.
Just makes you look foolish
[reply]I know from experience, you can be labeled an intolerant asshole for questioning someone’s political beliefs… TRUST ME!
As do I. Which is why I find this sensitivity towards Islam so frustrating.
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Sensitivity towards Islam? No, sir. As I wrote before I detest organized religion, Where you hold one religion up for ridicule, I want to hold them all up for ridicule.
I see it this way, if you and gunnar both turn in an assignment and I rant and rave about how great Gunnar’s assignment was but say nothing about yours, I’m basically saying your work was crap! Same situation here. You rant and rave about how horrible Islam is without giving the other religions the same treatment, you’re basically saying they are ok.
[reply] I’ll take hurt feelings and brutal honesty over dead bodies and inequality.
often times brutal honesty gets you dead bodies and inequality.
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grmpysmrf
Many places are getting dead bodies and inequality anyway. Only right now most are keeping their mouths shut out of the fear of being one of those bodies…
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It’s better to live one day as a lion, than a thousand years as a lamb. Many think opposite of that.
Maybe expressing frustration in a healthy way by discussing it and not being afraid of radical Muslims being offended will help cause some sort of shift or a change.
you should probably make the distinction between Islam and “radical muslims,” otherwise some may think you’re singling out a religion rather than a specific smaller nut group within the larger group.
I’m not saying to go around bashing everyone who is religious.
Maybe not “bash” them but certainly fuck with them a little bit.
People just shouldn’t be afraid to disagree with or criticize a religion.
I completely agree with this.
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grmpysmrf
Damn, that’s a lot of words.
Can’t y’all just call each other faggits or draw stupid pictures of each other like normal people do?
Damn, that’s a lot of words.
Can’t y’all just call each other faggits or draw stupid pictures of each other like normal people do?
It’s mostly civil.
Late,
grmpysmrf
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