It’s mostly civil.
Late,
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That’s even worse.
You start out talking about how not every person involved in Islam (or religion for that matter) is bat shit crazy, and you know this but then you go on to say we aren’t “allowed” to criticize Islam for being radicals. Which contradicts you saying that not everyone involved with Islam are radicals. Which one is it? Islam is a religion of radicals or not everyone is a radical?
If not everyone involved in Islam is a radical why would you want to call the religion radical instead of just calling those specific people radical?
That’s not what I’m saying at all. You are confusing my point or maybe I haven’t made myself clear enough (despite explaining this already).
I stated that not every religious person is an extremist/fundamentalist. However, we should still be allowed to criticize that religion, what it stands for, and what is actually stated in the Koran. Instead of covering out ears, closing our eyes, and stomping our feet while shouting “Islam is a religion of peace!”
As I’d pointed out several times before, there are moderates within every religion just as there are extremists. The moderates don’t seem to follow the more violent and barbaric sections of the text (that doesn’t mean they are helping though). They make it so their beliefs conveniently fit into their lives and society and pick and choose what to believe and what not to believe in their preferred “holy book”.
So, no. I am not contradicting myself.
I realize this is the first quote I’m responding to but I really hope this isn’t going to be something which I’m constantly having to repeat. I’d rather have an actual discussion. Not saying that you’re doing that though. It’s too soon to tell.
I think it only comes off that way when you A) you try to make a different religion better or B) Single out a specific religion without really acknowledging that the shit you’re complaining about isn’t really specific to that one religion.
A) I have not stated that a specific religion is better.
B) I am singling out a specific religion because, once again, that was the religion that the discussion was based off of.
**Seriously, it comes off like you going on a 2 page rant about how black people rob liquor stores and shoot people and then in the middle somewhere you throw in a couple sentences about how all cultures have its fair share of thieves, and then you go back to railing against black people for stealing.
There’s a much better way to make the point you’re trying to make and better examples to use. I’ve already explained myself on why I’m focusing on Islam.
I hope this isn’t going to be a point I continuously have to make for you.
It begs the questions that if it’s all the same, why write “Islam” instead of writing just “Religion?”
Because for the millionth time: That is the religion the discussion was based on. Why do you not understand this? If it was about Christianity I’d be bringing up the flaws of Christianity. I’m not using the generalized term “religion” because I’m being specific to the religion that was brought up.
How you misunderstood what I said when I went out of my way to make myself perfectly clear is beyond me.
Well we both know you’re not the clearest of writers here on the board, and then when you post a diatribe like that, it’s understandable that you would start to confuse yourself.[/reply]
No. Would you like to have an actual discussion or argue ad hominem? I can do both.
I’ve repeated myself multiple times for you and have been incredibly clear with my statements. The issue here is not my supposed inability to express my points clearly.
I don’t assume every religious person is a fundamentalist.
But you also post that the Islam religion is all radicals. They can’t be both[/reply]
Where did I say that? You find where I made that statement and quote me on it. Don’t make claims like that and not quote where I stated that all followers of Islam are radicals. I have mentioned moderates as well as fundamentalists/extremists
Absolutely untrue. So, prove it.
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Have you read or studied the Koran? Seriously. How long did it take you?
How long did it take me? I honestly have no idea. That’s a strange question. You don’t just read something like that the same way you would a normal book.
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right, which is why I asked how long it took you. I guess a better question would’ve been how long was your fascination with it and did that length of time take you through the whole book?[/reply]
So, you asked me how long it took because you knew there’s no actual way to answer that sort of question when researching religious texts? Okay.
Anyway, my “fascination” lasted a couple of years or maybe more, but I wasn’t solely reading through sections of the Koran. I was also re-reading through the Bible (mainly the Old Testament since most everyone seems to focus on the New Testament) and various other books.
I’d already had to read the Bible at a young age while having extremely religious, Pentecostal relatives and strangely enough I’d even attended Catholic school for a few years when I was quite young until a relative threw a fit and convinced my parents to pull me out. So, I had that nonsense driven into my head at a young age but still felt it necessary to revisit it.
But yes, if I remember correctly I eventually did cover pretty much all of it. Again though, it was a while ago and I was reading other texts at the time too. I can always go back and look through it if I need to.
See my “black people steal” example above… **
I did. And it’s ridiculous. See my explanation above and all of the other times I’ve had to explain it.
The “big three” Abrahamic religions are extremely similar so of course I’d mention Christianity along side Islam.
But Islam is getting the full brunt of your attack. If the “big Three” are just as bad shouldn’t you just be saying “religion?”[/reply]
Oh, boy. It seems in my first response in this post I was being extremely naive and generous by thinking that you might not continue repeating the same question(s) over and over again and essentially ignoring my answers or not understanding them.
Anyway, BECAUSE ONCE AGAIN, WE ARE DISCUSSING ISLAM. THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE TOPIC THAT THIS BRANCHED OFF OF since the brother’s were Muslim and the older brother was “very religious”.
And again I’ve already explained why I’m not attacking all “religion” above and in my other posts.
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It is a “few” compared to the massive #'s that follow the koran… well over a billion
Of course. But that doesn’t diminish the impact of those who have caused terrorist acts and murdered in the name of their god. It doesn’t lessen the impact of the wars and woman getting acid thrown into their faces.
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right, but as you wrote above it does not represent their entire religion, either. Yeah, those people suck but they don’t speak for the whole group. So, why demonize the whole group?[/reply]
No. But they do represent those who follow what’s in their chosen religious texts to a ‘T’. And as I’d said it doesn’t lessen the wars and the impact of the terrible things they’ve done in the name of a god.
Whoaaaaa, slow down their little fella’. I’m not defending Islam. I detest organized religion. I’m merely pointing out that you are picking on Islam while ignoring all the other religions that do the same shit. (just cause you write 1 or 2 sentences, stating that the “other religions do it to” does not excuse you from making Islam the focus) So, I think it’s a bit fucked up to keep naming Islam specifically when really what you mean is “all religions”[reply]
Well, that first part we can both agree on.
However, I am not going to explain this to you again. So, pay attention: [black][size 6][b]
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I do not mean “all religions” because I am specifically speaking about Islam in this thread (even though I have thrown in Christianity to show that other religions are guilty as well but that went right over your head).
You want to discuss how shitty all religions are? Make a thread about it. I’m not going to sacrifice making points specific to a particular religion just because someone is upset I’m not including “all religions”.
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Yeah, but the overall tone of your post was that it’s more horrible when Islam does it.
No, it wasn’t. I’ll once again be extremely generous and say that that’s a misunderstanding on your part.
I don’t see how it could lack credibility anyway since the source of that opinion happened to be the person making the statement.
Just makes you look foolish[/reply]
No. I’m afraid you’re looking a bit foolish due to your inability to read or understand basic reason within a discussion/argument.
I’ve had to repeat myself far too many times for you. You seem to be the only person who still doesn’t understand why I’m focusing on Islam. I’ve even had to ignore and take out a number of your responses because you’re just repeating that you still do not understand the very basic fact that I keep having to explain.
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I know from experience, you can be labeled an intolerant asshole for questioning someone’s political beliefs… TRUST ME!
As do I. Which is why I find this sensitivity towards Islam so frustrating.
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Sensitivity towards Islam? No, sir. As I wrote before I detest organized religion, Where you hold one religion up for ridicule, I want to hold them all up for ridicule.[/reply]
Even though you have pointed out that I have mentioned religion in general (specifically Abrahamic religions) including Christianity, but you’re complaint has been that I haven’t done it enough.
I’ve already explained why and that I will no longer explain it (it’s tiring and distracting from any actual discussion).
I won’t hold your hand and walk you through this any longer. You’re on your own to figure it out. I’ve answered it so many times already that there is no excuse for you to still be in a state of confusion.
I see it this way, if you and gunnar both turn in an assignment and I rant and rave about how great Gunnar’s assignment was but say nothing about yours, I’m basically saying your work was crap! Same situation here. You rant and rave about how horrible Islam is without giving the other religions the same treatment, you’re basically saying they are ok.
Again with this. I’ll leave this one here as and example of what I am having to deal with.
I’ve ignored many other quotes where Mr. grmpysmrf still doesn’t seem to understand why Islam is the focus despite me answering it. You’re entire response could have basically been, “Why are you only focusing on Islam and not Christianity or all religions in general?”
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I’ll take hurt feelings and brutal honesty over dead bodies and inequality.
It’s better to live one day as a lion, than a thousand years as a lamb. Many think opposite of that.
I understand that. I don’t want anyone to be a “lion” though (sounds a bit militant). I just wish people wouldn’t bend over backward (and sometimes forward) for the religious beliefs of other people.
you should probably make the distinction between Islam and “radical muslims,” otherwise some may think you’re singling out a religion rather than a specific smaller nut group within the larger group.
I will not. As I’ve, again, stated. There are moderates (who I have already pointed out are of no help) and there are fundamentalists/extremists. The extremists take the Koran word for word and live as it says life should be lived. The moderates don’t take it as far. They make it so it fits into their lives. All of this for better or for worse. Therefor the Koran/Islam is what I am referring to.
I’m not saying to go around bashing everyone who is religious.
Maybe not “bash” them but certainly fuck with them a little bit.[/reply]
I disagree. I have no reason to “fuck with” religious people unless they force their beliefs on others. Once they start funneling their religion and primitive worldviews into politics, that’s where the line is crossed.
I may dislike organize religion (that’s putting it mildly) but I won’t force my lack of beliefs on others or be a hypocrite. They have the right to believe what they want just as I have the right to not believe in it.
If everyone just left each other the fuck alone the world would be a much better place.
So your problem isn’t with religion then, it’s with Islam, right?
The Earth orbits around the sun at more than 60,000 miles an hour, yet United only gives travelers 400 miles credit when they take an hour-long flight from LA to San Francisco.
That’s awesome! Made everyone here at work laugh.
[reply]The Earth orbits around the sun at more than 60,000 miles an hour, yet United only gives travelers 400 miles credit when they take an hour-long flight from LA to San Francisco.
That’s awesome! Made everyone here at work laugh.[/reply]
Thanks, Man! I should draft a letter to United and see if I get a response.
So your problem isn’t with religion then, it’s with Islam, right?
Awwwwwwwwww fuck it.
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I don’t assume every religious person is a fundamentalist.
But you also post that the Islam religion is all radicals. They can’t be both
Where did I say that? You find where I made that statement and quote me on it.
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So I quote…
I’m talking about being called a “religious bigot” for criticizing a religion
you want to label the whole religion nuts because of the fringe groups.
To say “a few” commit these terrible acts is a massive understatement. These acts of violence do not just occur here. The middle east is a prime example of where many of them occur on a daily basis.
Apparently it’s worse when Muslims do it…and even though because the sheer numbers make a few look like a large amount, it still doesn’t represent the whole religion. So it is unfair to to attack the whole religion.
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BECAUSE ISLAM WAS PART
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CHRISTIANITY WAS NOT.[/#ffffff][/b][/size][/black]
Then how about “Picking on Islam” for something that is specific to Islam. may as well rip on them for having prayer and believing in a prophet. moron.
Late,
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you want to label the whole religion nuts because of the fringe groups.
I can’t believe I’m jumping in between you homos, but it’s just making me nauseous every time I click on this thread. Atom is an atheist. He said so. It is HIS belief that ALL religions are crazy. If you read the stuff that he’s written to you now about 700 times, you will see this.
His point is not that he is judging the religion based on the fringe groups, but that religion itself (and in particular the three major Abrahamic religions) is nuts.
I’m not “taking his side” on this and I don’t subscribe to his beliefs on this particular topic (and no, I don’t care to jump in either) but I will say that he has made his position quite clear numerous times.
Grumpy, as you are someone who has also come down on religion (or is it just Christianity? I really don’t remember for sure) it seems strange to me that you are failing to wrap your head around Atom’s statements on the matter.
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I don’t assume every religious person is a fundamentalist.
But you also post that the Islam religion is all radicals. They can’t be both
Where did I say that? You find where I made that statement and quote me on it.
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So I quote…
I’m talking about being called a “religious bigot” for criticizing a religion
you want to label the whole religion nuts because of the fringe groups. [/reply]
Where in what you just quoted did I state that everyone within the religion of Islam is a radical? Where did I say that every Muslim is a radical?
You completely failed to quote me supposedly saying what you’ve accused me of. I cannot understand why you would think that your “big reveal” was proof. Why did you even bother posting a response to this particular challenge if you had nothing to go off of? Mind boggling.
I suggest that in the future, instead of lying, you have an actual reason for your accusation(s) and can back them up.
To say “a few” commit these terrible acts is a massive understatement. These acts of violence do not just occur here. The middle east is a prime example of where many of them occur on a daily basis.
Apparently it’s worse when Muslims do it…and even though because the sheer numbers make a few look like a large amount, it still doesn’t represent the whole religion. So it is unfair to to attack the whole religion.[/reply]
Already explained this more times than I ever want to again. Go back and re-read all of them.
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Then how about “Picking on Islam” for something that is specific to Islam. may as well rip on them for having prayer and believing in a prophet. moron.
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What criticism could I make that would be specific only to Islam and not Christianity or any other major religion? I’d really like to know. So enlighten me.
Ah yes, end your post by calling me a “moron”. And you were doing so well too. You’ve failed miserably and should be ashamed for not being able to have an actual discussion without lying, intentionally misinterpreting what someone else said, and having to result to childish insults. It only shows how weak your argument really is (and to say you have an argument is being generous).
You have not proven me wrong on a single thing you’ve disagreed with. You have not backed up your claim that I’d supposedly stated that all Muslims are radicals.
You still don’t understand why Islam was the main source of ridicule in the discussion, despite me having to explain it to you like you’re five years old at least ten times.
And throughout all of your nonsense and rhetoric you have failed to make a single logical point and had to resort to name-calling because you realized you have no point and were upset (so much for being “civil”).
I suggest you grow up or refrain from debating/arguing with adults or anyone with at least a fifth grade education. You have proven that you have no business being involved in any adult discussion.
Jourgensen.
[laugh]
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I don’t assume every religious person is a fundamentalist.
But you also post that the Islam religion is all radicals. They can’t be both
Where did I say that? You find where I made that statement and quote me on it.
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So I quote…
I’m talking about being called a “religious bigot” for criticizing a religion
you want to label the whole religion nuts because of the fringe groups. [/reply]
Where in what you just quoted did I state that everyone within the religion of Islam is a radical? Where did I say that every Muslim is a radical?
You completely failed to quote me supposedly saying what you’ve accused me of. I cannot understand why you would think that your “big reveal” was proof. Why did you even bother posting a response to this particular challenge if you had nothing to go off of? Mind boggling.
I suggest that in the future, instead of lying, you have an actual reason for your accusation(s) and can back them up. [/reply]
It’s infered based on your shittty double speak.
You constantly double talk yourself. that’s my “big reveal.” You wanna bash the whole religion for the fringe groups when they clearly ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE of the whole fucking religion. and you think by saying “oh well not everyone is like this” but then turn around and say “the moderates encourage this shit” is not a fucking double speak! WHAT DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND, JACKASS?
What criticism could I make that would be specific only to Islam and not Christianity or any other major religion? I’d really like to know. So enlighten me.
EXACTLY MY POINT!!! you’re starting to get it. there is no criticism that that you can put on just islam so it’s fucking stupid to keep repeatedly, specifically, naming Islam when it’s every fucking religion. That’s why i wrote before that it would be more accurate to write “religion” instead of specifically stating Islam. But then you started mewling over that suggestion.
It doesn’t really matter that Islam is the topic because you are speaking in generalities and attributing them all to Islam. BECAUSE YOU INCLUDED LIKE 2 FUCKING SENTENCES ABOUT HOW OTHER RELIGIONS ARE GUILTY DOESN’T ABSOLVE YOU FROM LAYING ALL THESE GENERALITIES AT THE FEET OF MUSLIMS.
You see, in English there are these things called Mood and Tone, and because the VAST majority of your post is you aiming generalities at ISLAM the Mood and Tone that is created is one that suggests ISLAM is the worst of the worst. When as far as I am concerned they are all shitty
Ah yes, end your post by calling me a “moron”.
What else is there when you act like a moron?
And you were doing so well too. You’ve failed miserably and should be ashamed for not being able to have an actual discussion without lying, intentionally misinterpreting what someone else said, and having to result to childish insults. It only shows how weak your argument really is (and to say you have an argument is being generous).
You are just sad.
You have not proven me wrong on a single thing you’ve disagreed with. You have not backed up your claim that I’d supposedly stated that all Muslims are radicals.
You’re not smart enough to understand that I have.
You still don’t understand why Islam was the main source of ridicule in the discussion, despite me having to explain it to you like you’re five years old at least ten times.
Using generalities that apply to any religion. How deep, Mr. Philosopher.
And throughout all of your nonsense and rhetoric you have failed to make a single logical point and had to resort to name-calling because you realized you have no point and were upset (so much for being “civil”).
You’re thinking of yourself. You started in with all of the condescending child speak from the get go. I finally just called you out for how you were acting, Moron.
I suggest you grow up or refrain from debating/arguing with adults or anyone with at least a fifth grade education. You have proven that you have no business being involved in any adult discussion.
I suggest you learn how express yourself and not try to talk down to adults that are clearly your superior.
Late,
grmpysmrf
[reply]
you want to label the whole religion nuts because of the fringe groups.
I can’t believe I’m jumping in between you homos, but it’s just making me nauseous every time I click on this thread. Atom is an atheist. He said so. It is HIS belief that ALL religions are crazy. If you read the stuff that he’s written to you now about 700 times, you will see this.[/reply]
I have seen it. I do know that he is an Atheist. But as I keep writing and apparently it keeps getting skipped over, is that by him stating all of these generalities just at Islam does not support his stated purpose and sounds like he’s railing specifically against Islam over all others.
His point is not that he is judging the religion based on the fringe groups, but that religion itself (and in particular the three major Abrahamic religions) is nuts.
If it that were true he wouldn’t keep writing Islam over and over and over again and he would be writing “religion.” As I’ve written 701 times, now, to lay generalities at the feet of Islam the way he keeps doing is disingenuous. If he really doesn’t like all religions like he wrote one time he wouldn’t be singling out Islam the way he is doing.
I’m not “taking his side” on this and I don’t subscribe to his beliefs on this particular topic (and no, I don’t care to jump in either) but I will say that he has made his position quite clear numerous times.
Yeah he has written his position several times, but then the details he provides, in bulk, don’t support that position.
Grumpy, as you are someone who has also come down on religion (or is it just Christianity? I really don’t remember for sure) it seems strange to me that you are failing to wrap your head around Atom’s statements on the matter.
It’s all organized religion I don’t care for. I understand what he is trying to say. but what he says versus his supporting rhetoric doesn’t not fit together.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Most of this argument has been too much to read.
Most of this argument has been too much to read.
You’re missing . . . . . nothing.
You constantly double talk yourself. that’s my “big reveal.” You wanna bash the whole religion for the fringe groups when they clearly ARE NOT REPRESENTATIVE of the whole fucking religion. and you think by saying “oh well not everyone is like this” but then turn around and say “the moderates encourage this shit” is not a fucking double speak! WHAT DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND, JACKASS?
Give an actual example. Quote me. You made it seem as if it was something I actually said earlier. Now you’re reaching for anything to try and draw some conclusion.
I am not bashing the whole religion for its fringe groups. I am against the religion as a whole because of what it preaches and what the religious texts contain. Just like I am with a majority of religions.
Moderates, as I’d stated, provide a sort of cover. The “no true Scotsman” fallacy is often used. They make it so people are afraid to criticize religion because if they do there’s the constant threat of being called a “religious bigot”. I never said they were responsible for what the extremist did or are even on the same level. Which is why I am, and have been, differentiating between the two.
EXACTLY MY POINT!!! you’re starting to get it. there is no criticism that that you can put on just islam so it’s fucking stupid to keep repeatedly, specifically, naming Islam when it’s every fucking religion. That’s why i wrote before that it would be more accurate to write “religion” instead of specifically stating Islam. But then you started mewling over that suggestion.
No, it’s not. You have no point.
The conversation was centered around Islam. So, I was discussing Islam. b[/b]
It doesn’t really matter that Islam is the topic because you are speaking in generalities and attributing them all to Islam. BECAUSE YOU INCLUDED LIKE 2 FUCKING SENTENCES ABOUT HOW OTHER RELIGIONS ARE GUILTY DOESN’T ABSOLVE YOU FROM LAYING ALL THESE GENERALITIES AT THE FEET OF MUSLIMS.
Because the conversation was about Islam. b[/b] I could have not included a single sentence about other religions and it would’ve been completely reasonable.
Also, typing in caps doesn’t make you correct.
You see, in English there are these things called Mood and Tone, and because the VAST majority of your post is you aiming generalities at ISLAM the Mood and Tone that is created is one that suggests ISLAM is the worst of the worst. When as far as I am concerned they are all shitty
I was focusing on Islam because that was the religion the conversation was about. b[/b]
I could rant and rave all day about how “all religions are shitty!” but that wouldn’t get me anywhere and would prove nothing other than I have nothing of relevance to say.
So, I stayed on topic, focused on the religion being discussed, which was Islam b[/b]. The last thing I thought anyone would get upset over was what you’re upset about.
Also, don’t lecture me on the English language when you’re incapable of using it to have an actual discussion.
Ah yes, end your post by calling me a “moron”.
What else is there when you act like a moron?[/reply]
Prove that I’m a moron by posting where I said all Muslims are all radicals.
You are just sad.
And you have nothing of substance to add to the discussion.
You have not proven me wrong on a single thing you’ve disagreed with. You have not backed up your claim that I’d supposedly stated that all Muslims are radicals.
You’re not smart enough to understand that I have.[/reply]
This is essentially, “I know you are but what am I?”
You still don’t understand why Islam was the main source of ridicule in the discussion, despite me having to explain it to you like you’re five years old at least ten times.
Using generalities that apply to any religion. How deep, Mr. Philosopher.[/reply]
Islam was the religion that was relevant to the discussion and that’s why I was focusing on it. b[/b]
And throughout all of your nonsense and rhetoric you have failed to make a single logical point and had to resort to name-calling because you realized you have no point and were upset (so much for being “civil”).
You’re thinking of yourself. You started in with all of the condescending child speak from the get go. I finally just called you out for how you were acting, Moron.[/reply]
You didn’t “finally call [me] out”. You’ve been on my ass for two days and for two days I’ve repeated myself over and over again for you because you do not understand something incredibly simple.
In this response alone I’ve had to repeat and explain myself in regards to the exact same things I’ve had to in other posts five times. And that’s just this one response (which happens to be one of your shorter ones).
I suggest you grow up or refrain from debating/arguing with adults or anyone with at least a fifth grade education. You have proven that you have no business being involved in any adult discussion.
I suggest you learn how express yourself and not try to talk down to adults that are clearly your superior.
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It’s as if you are not aware of the things you are currently typing. Look at your responses to me and the amount of condescension and insults you’ve thrown my way compared to my own in this discussion. Just that statement you made alone is proof enough of how unaware you are of the things you’re saying. Accuse me of talking down to you and then claim you are my “superior”. Nice.
I refuse to continue this discussion until you prove I have stated that all Muslims are radicals like you accused me of saying and show that you are able to have an adult discussion/debate. So, consider this a time out (that is me being condescending).
You can claim that it’s because you were right and pat yourself on the back in some sad sort of “victory” as people laugh at you or just think you’re ridiculous. It makes no difference to me.
You have nothing to say of substance and should be ignored in this sort of conversation until you do. I’ve tried to be civil with you and have a real conversation but you aren’t even capable of that. So, it really doesn’t matter if I’m as crude as I can be or if I try to stay on topic and refrain from insults.
Most of this argument has been too much to read.
What’s worse is it’s the same things having to be repeated over and over again. You really are missing nothing.
The conversation was centered around Islam. So, I was discussing Islam. b[/b]
No you weren’t. You were discussing ALL religions but slapping the ISLAM brand on it.
[REPLY]It doesn’t really matter that Islam is the topic because you are speaking in generalities and attributing them all to Islam. BECAUSE YOU INCLUDED LIKE 2 FUCKING SENTENCES ABOUT HOW OTHER RELIGIONS ARE GUILTY DOESN’T ABSOLVE YOU FROM LAYING ALL THESE GENERALITIES AT THE FEET OF MUSLIMS.
Because the conversation was about Islam. b[/b] I could have not included a single sentence about other religions and it would’ve been completely reasonable.
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Hardly.
Also, typing in caps doesn’t make you correct.
No, me being correct makes me correct.
[reply]You see, in English there are these things called Mood and Tone, and because the VAST majority of your post is you aiming generalities at ISLAM the Mood and Tone that is created is one that suggests ISLAM is the worst of the worst. When as far as I am concerned they are all shitty
I was focusing on Islam because that was the religion the conversation was about. b[/b]
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But doing so in a fashion that made it appear those complaints were Islam specific.
I could rant and rave all day about how “all religions are shitty!” but that wouldn’t get me anywhere and would prove nothing other than I have nothing of relevance to say.
Which is somehow different from what you’ve been doing? or what?
So, I stayed on topic, focused on the religion being discussed, which was Islam b[/b].
You did not stay on topic You talked about how shitty All religions were but instead of doing so you made it Islam specific. when your gripes are not Islam Specific.
The last thing I thought anyone would get upset over was what you’re upset about.
What? that you don’t know how to express yourself accurately?
Also, don’t lecture me on the English language when you’re incapable of using it to have an actual discussion.
I need to, since you’re incapable of using it.
[reply]Ah yes, end your post by calling me a “moron”.
What else is there when you act like a moron?[/reply]
Prove that I’m a moron by posting where I said all Muslims are all radicals.[/reply][/reply]
Moron!
[reply]You are just sad.
And you have nothing of substance to add to the discussion.
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So you are trying to make us equals now? excellent tactic!
[reply]You have not proven me wrong on a single thing you’ve disagreed with. You have not backed up your claim that I’d supposedly stated that all Muslims are radicals.
You’re not smart enough to understand that I have.
This is essentially, “I know you are but what am I?”
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No it’s not. It’s you not being smart enough to know that you’re wrong. You want everyone to understand what you mean not what you say.
[reply]You still don’t understand why Islam was the main source of ridicule in the discussion, despite me having to explain it to you like you’re five years old at least ten times.
Using generalities that apply to any religion. How deep, Mr. Philosopher.
Islam was the religion that was relevant to the discussion and that’s why I was focusing on it. b[/b]
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and you offered nothing but mad lib type response. Way to be so profound.
[reply]And throughout all of your nonsense and rhetoric you have failed to make a single logical point and had to resort to name-calling because you realized you have no point and were upset (so much for being “civil”).
You’re thinking of yourself. You started in with all of the condescending child speak from the get go. I finally just called you out for how you were acting, Moron.
You didn’t “finally call [me] out”. You’ve been on my ass for two days and for two days I’ve repeated myself over and over again for you because you do not understand something incredibly simple.
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you are the one that does not understand. You can’t lay blanket statements on one religion as if they are religion specific. Yes, I know you wrote that “other religions do this shit too” but you wrote that once and when you take into account the sheer volume of times you wrote “Islam bla bla bla…” you’re “other religions…” statement holds no weight.
In this response alone I’ve had to repeat and explain myself in regards to the exact same things I’ve had to in other posts five times. And that’s just this one response (which happens to be one of your shorter ones).
and yet you still don’t get it.
[reply]I suggest you grow up or refrain from debating/arguing with adults or anyone with at least a fifth grade education. You have proven that you have no business being involved in any adult discussion.
I suggest you learn how express yourself and not try to talk down to adults that are clearly your superior.
Late,
grmpysmrf
It’s as if you are not aware of the things you are currently typing. Look at your responses to me and the amount of condescension and insults you’ve thrown my way compared to my own in this discussion. Just that statement you made alone is proof enough of how unaware you are of the things you’re saying. Accuse me of talking down to you and then claim you are my “superior”. Nice.
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Aw how sweet you refrained for one post to try to make a point.
I refuse to continue this discussion until you prove I have stated that all Muslims are radicals like you accused me of saying and show that you are able to have an adult discussion/debate. So, consider this a time out (that is me being condescending).
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it’s inferred with the number of times you wrote blanket religion statements about Islam. you do know what inferred means right?
You can claim that it’s because you were right and pat yourself on the back in some sad sort of “victory” as people laugh at you or just think you’re ridiculous. It makes no difference to me.
of course it makes a difference to you which is why you wrote a follow up and while you’ll reply to this.
You have nothing to say of substance and should be ignored in this sort of conversation until you do.
Givin up cause you know you’re wrong… good idea.
I’ve tried to be civil with you and have a real conversation but you aren’t even capable of that.
you have not. “5th grade education,” mega fonts… ring any bells?
So, it really doesn’t matter if I’m as crude as I can be or if I try to stay on topic and refrain from insults.
Oh but I should…
Late,
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[reply]Most of this argument has been too much to read.
What’s worse is it’s the same things having to be repeated over and over again. You really are missing nothing.[/reply]
well, at least you know you’re boring.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Anyway, now that I’ve slapped grmpysmrf into a realm of stupidity that is foreign to even him and he’s still running in circles repeating the same tired nonsense without backing it up. Let’s get back on topic:
According to CNN Dzhokhar Tsarnaev stated that both the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were factors in the bombings. He also said he and his brother were both “self-radicalized” via the internet. http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/23/us/boston-attack/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
Of course, they’re still investigating to find out if there’s any truth behind it as well as looking for more details.
He’s supposedly also been charged with using a weapon of mass destruction: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/boston-bomb-suspect-dzhokhar-charged-weapon-mass-destruction/story?id=19013068
Does anyone here think he should receive the death penalty and if so why? Just curious what the common opinion on that is on here.
Regarding the common argument that the death penalty is the ultimate deterrent, I don’t think that applies here (or generally to be realistic) as mad people will continue to do mad things.
I am not 100% opposed to execution in some cases, but I don’t think it can be justified that a State or the U.S. Gov has a right to take the life of anyone.
In the case of this guy, life imprisonment, no parole, no luxuries is an adequate order.