Boston Marathon bombing

Regarding the common argument that the death penalty is the ultimate deterrent, I don’t think that applies here (or generally to be realistic) as mad people will continue to do mad things.

I am not 100% opposed to execution in some cases, but I don’t think it can be justified that a State or the U.S. Gov has a right to take the life of anyone.
In the case of this guy, life imprisonment, no parole, no luxuries is an adequate order.

I think life with no parole or luxuries is what I’d prefer he get as well. He’s 19 so I hope that as he grows older he realizes what a mistake he’d made and how wrong he was. He may be feeling that way now but not to the extent that I hope he will one day.

Killing him won’t bring back the people who’d died nor will it heal the injured. Death would be a luxury for him. Instead I’d rather he live with what happened like his victims and their families will have to.

Then again I don’t support the death penalty so there really isn’t any other choice I could choose from.

When do you feel that it’s okay for someone to be executed?

The death penalty is a tricky one…I personally believe suffering in prison is a way worse fate than death…and I also have problems with the death penalty…but,and the big BUT is that I have also never had a family member or someone I cared about murdered…and if someone has had a family member murdered then I can absolutely understand their desire to have the death penalty fufilled and would never be so bold as to tell them they shouldn’t feel that way…can’t walk in their shoes…

The death penalty is a tricky one…I personally believe suffering in prison is a way worse fate than death…and I also have problems with the death penalty…but,and the big BUT is that I have also never had a family member or someone I cared about murdered…and if someone has had a family member murdered then I can absolutely understand their desire to have the death penalty fufilled and would never be so bold as to tell them they shouldn’t feel that way…can’t walk in their shoes…

That’s probably the only thing that makes me a little iffy on it. I have no idea what it is like to have a family member or loved one of mine murdered.

I’d like to think I’d still feel the same way about it as I do now - killing the murderer won’t bring my loved one back. But that’s not something you can bet on. I could just as well end up salivating at the thought of watching the murderer die. Hopefully I never have to find that out though.

When do you feel that it’s okay for someone to be executed?

I would never advocate it as such but in an exceptional scenario - where someone has committed really heinous acts (with incontovertable evidence for such a person’s guilt) and they still constitute a viable threat of doing it again if and when released - I wouldn’t protest against such a person’s execution. Another factor would be why should people’s taxes go towards the upkeep of such a person’s imprisonment?

Though I think my views on it would be best encapsulated with the following: if someone brutally murdered a loved one and I responded by ending that person’s life, I would appreciate not getting the death penalty or a hefty prison sentence myself.

Something about balance

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When do you feel that it’s okay for someone to be executed?

I would never advocate it as such but in an exceptional scenario - where someone has committed really heinous acts (with incontovertable evidence for such a person’s guilt) and they still constitute a viable threat of doing it again if and when released - I wouldn’t protest against such a person’s execution. Another factor would be why should people’s taxes go towards the upkeep of such a person’s imprisonment?

Though I think my views on it would be best encapsulated with the following: if someone brutally murdered a loved one and I responded by ending that person’s life, I would appreciate not getting the death penalty or a hefty prison sentence myself.

Something about balance[/reply]

I suppose I would feel the same way since it would be more preventative than anything else. As far as it costing more to keep them alive I’m not so sure about that. I’ve read a lot of articles claiming it actually costs more to execute an inmate and keep them on death row than it does to keep them alive.
Here’s a couple: http://www.nbcnews.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/execute-or-not-question-cost/
And though it’s claims might be true this one is obviously bias: http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

But then again I’ve also read some that state the complete opposite. So, I don’t know. It really boils down to how you feel about it morally, I suppose. And while money, to some, may not be the most “moral” concern it’s still a serious factor that has an impact on us if we’re paying for it.

I think the main point that everyone is trying to make is that if you find out about a Muslim that also happens to own a pool company . . . kill that bastard. Kill him immediately. He is more dangerous than Hitler riding a great white shark and throwing buckets of AIDS at everyone!

Sweet mother of god. I’d never even thought of two evils of that caliber coming together. Could you imagine the destruction? It would make the twin towers falling look like two jump-houses.

[reply]The death penalty is a tricky one…I personally believe suffering in prison is a way worse fate than death…and I also have problems with the death penalty…but,and the big BUT is that I have also never had a family member or someone I cared about murdered…and if someone has had a family member murdered then I can absolutely understand their desire to have the death penalty fufilled and would never be so bold as to tell them they shouldn’t feel that way…can’t walk in their shoes…

That’s probably the only thing that makes me a little iffy on it. I have no idea what it is like to have a family member or loved one of mine murdered.

I’d like to think I’d still feel the same way about it as I do now - killing the murderer won’t bring my loved one back. But that’s not something you can bet on. I could just as well end up salivating at the thought of watching the murderer die. Hopefully I never have to find that out though.[/reply]

see, now, i HAVE had loved ones be murdered. i have had people i work with and people i see every day be killed. it hurts and it can really skew the way you look at things, but still, i am against the death penalty.

i would go into detail, but for fear that every fucking sentence would get broken up and given its own self-congratulating response, i am not going to get in any further detail other than to just say, i think the death penalty is brutal, inhumane, flawed, and past cruel.

as for imprisonment, the american prison system is a massive rape-culture inspired pain factory that NEEDS to be abolished and rebuilt, not just reformed.

I am totally pro death penalty.
People tell me it doesn’t deter crime. I just point to the picture of whoever just got a needle in his arm or took a ride on 'Ol Sparky . . . “It sure as heck deterred him.”

I hate when it’s argued on an economic level or a deterrent level. I think REVENGE is the only argument that makes sense and I’m all for that.

I kind of wish the families of the victims had some sort of voting option, though . . . let them decide whether the bastard dies or stays the rest of his life in a cage.

As for our effed up (and lopsided) legal system, yes, that’s a problem. The death penalty is certainly not fairly and equally applied and I understand that argument about it and sometimes I lean towards being against it, not because I don’t think we should kill serial killers, child rapists, etc. (I absolutely DO think they should be killed) but because there is that chance that innocents get killed.

So, I’m not necessarily 100% for it’s practice in its current form (I think if we decide to kill someone we should be 1000000% sure that we’re sending the right guy to his early grave). But I am 100% for the concept and IDEA of death penalty.

He is more dangerous than Hitler riding a great white shark and throwing buckets of AIDS at everyone!

Oh! Oh! What about… more dangerous than Hitler riding a great white shark and throwing buckets of AIDS at everybody while dressed as one of the Trench Coat Mafia and listening to AC/DC’s Highway To Hell?!?

Nope. That makes Hitler seem LESS dangerous to me. I mean, if he’s an AC/DC fan he’s pretty much okay in my book.

see, now, i HAVE had loved ones be murdered. i have had people i work with and people i see every day be killed. it hurts and it can really skew the way you look at things, but still, i am against the death penalty.

i would go into detail, but for fear that every fucking sentence would get broken up and given its own self-congratulating response, i am not going to get in any further detail other than to just say, i think the death penalty is brutal, inhumane, flawed, and past cruel.

as for imprisonment, the american prison system is a massive rape-culture inspired pain factory that NEEDS to be abolished and rebuilt, not just reformed.

Interesting. While the circumstances for why you’re able to explain this viewpoint are terrible, I still appreciate reading this from someone who’s actually had to go through it.

I suppose don’t see why I would end up supporting the death penalty if a loved one of mine was murdered. It wouldn’t change anything. It would only reinforce this absurd idea that murder/killing is only acceptable depending on who is doing it and why. It greatly lowers the value of life, in my opinion.

Agreed about the American prison system. Although I’ve heard the whole “rape” thing is greatly sensationalized within the media and isn’t as common as people think.

Also, there’s too many people locked up over drugs charges and other petty and non-violent things. I always thought imprisonment was supposed to be the last resort and not option #1. And though I’ve read articles that state that we live in a much less violent world today, I can’t help but wonder if that lack of violence is in small part (not solely because of) because of the current prison system. I don’t know.

EDIT: Pretty much what prologue_67 said minus the dousing in gasoline part. Didn’t see his post while I was typing this up and doing other things.

Oh! Oh! What about… more dangerous than Hitler riding a great white shark and throwing buckets of AIDS at everybody while dressed as one of the Trench Coat Mafia and listening to AC/DC’s Highway To Hell?!?

That’s too awesome to be negative. Change him listening to AC/DC to something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgpT5rEKIU and it would be pure terror.

Interesting. While the circumstances for why you’re able to explain this viewpoint are terrible, I still appreciate reading this from someone who’s actually had to go through it.

I suppose don’t see why I would end up supporting the death penalty if a loved one of mine was murdered. It wouldn’t change anything. It would only reinforce this absurd idea that murder/killing is only acceptable depending on who is doing it and why. It greatly lowers the value of life, in my opinion.

Agreed about the American prison system. Although I’ve heard the whole “rape” thing is greatly sensationalized within the media and isn’t as common as people think.

Also, there’s too many people locked up over drugs charges and other petty and non-violent things. I always thought imprisonment was supposed to be the last resort and not option #1. And though I’ve read articles that state that we live in a much less violent world today, I can’t help but wonder if that lack of violence is in small part (not solely because of) because of the current prison system. I don’t know.

EDIT: Pretty much what prologue_67 said minus the dousing in gasoline part. Didn’t see his post while I was typing this up and doing other things.

[reply]Oh! Oh! What about… more dangerous than Hitler riding a great white shark and throwing buckets of AIDS at everybody while dressed as one of the Trench Coat Mafia and listening to AC/DC’s Highway To Hell?!?

That’s too awesome to be negative. Change him listening to AC/DC to something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOgpT5rEKIU and it would be pure terror.[/reply]

by ‘rape culture’ i mean a sadosexual cruelty infused cultural background which allows foe debasement and degradation, not necessarily actual ‘prison rape’ as it were.

that said though, having worked in prisons, yes, sexual violence VERY MUCH SO exists, and is inaccurately reflected in a lot of media, but there IS a lot of rape, and it IS inhuman.

that all aside, to respond to Prologue, see, the inherent problem i have with what you said is that you are whitewashing bigger issues with knee-jerk reductionism. sexual predators who pray on children are not the same as murderers, who are not the same as drug traffickers, who are not the same as gang members who are not the same as sexual predators, who are not the same as murderers, who are not the same as drug users, who are not the same as the person in the cell next to them. so on an so forth. each individual case is soaked through (supersaturated even) with different issues and circumstances which means that to say ‘child rapists deserve nothing’ is an egregiously flippant and unfair statement. people do horrible things, sometimes, abhorrent things, but there isnt a single switch that makes people good or bad, useful or useless. retribution/retaliation/revenge is a HORRIBLE way to go about changing the surrounding climate of violence and cruelty that helps to foster violent and cruel behavior.
reeducation and reintroduction work better, as has been proven by some north-eastern countries. simply wrangling up people ‘who deserve to be put in a cage’ and throwing them into darkened tunnels to dwell in their own disenfranchisement wont help anyone, it will harden the already wounded and confused and create more brutality. the way to teach your son not to hit his sister isnt to beat the fuck out of him, it is to activate empathy.

Rusty I hear what you are saying but I don’t agree with it. Child rapists deserve nothing but death. No sympathy. No rehabilitation, if that is even possible with those people as the recidivism with those types is very high. Anyone who deliberately preys on children needs to die.

I grew up in the hood. Not in the killing fields of the warzone but close. I’ve had friends shot. Found my best friend dead in a dope house. Saw bodies on fire. Now that’s a sight you don’t forget. I can go on. People choose their own path. I could have very easily been a dope fiend, or a gang banger or some homeless bum. I chose not to fail. That was a conscious choice and the hard path. The easy path was failure because it was all around. I chose not to because I got tired of burying my friends. It could have just as well been me. Failure is a choice. It’s easy and anyone can do it. I chose to get out and be successful and I am because I refused to fail. The environment you are in is an enabler. You make the choice to do ill or not. Nobody makes it for you. I have little sympathy for failure because it’s too damn easy.

im sorry you grew up in a shit place. you arent alone in that though. the majority of the world has to bury their siblings, their children, their friends, their lovers, and their hopes. it happens. that said, i dont completely buy the ‘you make your own way’ argument, because that ISNT always true. im glad that through a combination of luck, circumstance, and perseverance you didnt end up dead, broken, lost, or forgotten. i really am, but you have to understand that even when a lot of people DO try their best and do throw on the whole Liddy style ‘overcome by will alone’ persona, they dont make it out of the dens and darkness. when i am sitting and talking a lot of the people i work with, when i am listening to vets who live behind dumpsters, they arent people who just gave up, they are people who were discarded. good people suffer. good people make mistakes. good people lose sometimes.

now, since we dont agree, im gonna stop responding, but i do respect your well worded responses, i just dont think the board needs another back and forth that goes nowhere.

Anyway, now that I’ve slapped grmpysmrf into a realm of stupidity that is foreign to even him and he’s still running in circles repeating the same tired nonsense without backing it up.

Riiiiiiiiiiight, me running in circels, especially, with how many times you’ve whined that “I’ve already written that.” to a charge that doesn’t even relate. It’s me who is running in circles. Stupid ass.

You know, if the topic is “Islam” you would do well to discuss the things that are specific to Islam. You know like Burka’s, The Koran, Honor Killings. you know specific shit not
<in my best whiny Atom voice> as I’ve written a number of times before </in my best whiny Atom voice> generic shit that can be said about any religion.
Get a clue child.
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If the person has admitted to doing whatever horrible crime, Say Jeff Dahmer, and he has been found guilty in a court of law. Kill that motherfucker! but if the dude is going to his grave denying it, got to give him the benefit of the doubt.

This kid, because he looks forward to death based on his religion, I think we should let him sit.
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grmpysmrf

by ‘rape culture’ i mean a sadosexual cruelty infused cultural background which allows foe debasement and degradation, not necessarily actual ‘prison rape’ as it were.

that said though, having worked in prisons, yes, sexual violence VERY MUCH SO exists, and is inaccurately reflected in a lot of media, but there IS a lot of rape, and it IS inhuman.

But isn’t “sadosexual cruelty” still rape? It also just seems so bizarre that that would be their go-to option when trying to degrade someone. Fucking weird. I couldn’t handle working in a prison simply because I can’t wrap my head around some of the logic.

How do “you guys” go about handling the rape situations and are they often broken up? Like an inmate screams and the guards, or whoever, intervenes or is it one of those things where most guards turn a blind eye or really don’t even see it happen? Is it often done towards someone like a child rapist, like many people suggest? Or is everyone fair game?

Is it often done towards someone like a child rapist, like many people suggest? Or is everyone fair game?

He just wants to know what to expect. Since he can’t get laid in life outside he’s sizing up his chances in a different society.
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grmpysmrf

This kid, because he looks forward to death based on his religion, I think we should let him sit.

Is this just based on assumption and stereotype, or did he actually say something to this effect? I’m asking seriously as I’ve not watched or ready any news or updates for the past week.

[reply]Is it often done towards someone like a child rapist, like many people suggest? Or is everyone fair game?

He just wants to know what to expect. Since he can’t get laid in life outside he’s sizing up his chances in a different society.
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I realize all I have to do is whisper your name for you to come out and start your never-ending shitfest, but there’s an actual discussion happening and you are not contributing to it at all.

Go fuck yourself for not being funny or creative with your insults too. And answer Gunnar’s question, jackass.