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yeah. we’re part of the white elite, living here in the US.
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ditto porkspam… again…It’s not guilt, it’s truth. We are the elite, the popular kids at school, so to speak (damn that was a cool lyric I’m gonna use that!) I think the idea is because we are that group and we recognize we’re that group it’s probably not a good idea to act like that group! Ya’ feel me brother? if you feel guilty perhaps it’s because you 've been embellishing your role as the elite…
- Eliminate Islam and all other theistic religions
that will never happen, my friend! Best case scenario, you end up with a never ending supply of martyrs… worse case scenario, you up like a hitleresque type figure!
that’s not to say I don’t agree with you, but the liberal in me says everyone has a right to religion even if it is one of the roots of all that’s wrong with society(even/especially Christianity). people have to figure it out for themselves, you try to take religion away from anybody and you’re in for a fight, a big fight.
Edit: maybe real religion is ok but here in America Christianity has become so bastardized I bet Christ wouldn’t even recognize it!! the majority of Americans (I’d be willing to bet) don’t realize that christ was a long haired , brown skinned, hippie, He supported socialized medicine (healed the lepers… for free, cured the blind…for free), started soup kitchens, (Turned water into wine and fed the masses with (What?) one fish and a loaf of bread…
people today tend to think Jesus was a republican…Hell, look at the Morman version of christ, not an acurate picture in any church that I’ve seen, apparently according to the mormons Jesus was a super model with long fabio flowing hair! Joke much?
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Bleeding hearts.
If you’re going to categorize people into race, which I think is stupid to begin with, then why should white people feel guilty because we have cultivated democratic societies and enjoy relatively stable lives?
Do you have a responsibility to raise other people out of the proverbial dirt and improve their quality of life? NO. You said yourself we have no business in Iran. If they want Democracy let them earn it on their own, and create a system they can maintain on their own.
I never understood why white people are supposed to be guilty for being more “advanced” as a whole than the rest. (Though the Asians are catching up)
Again I think breaking things down in racial terms is stupid. For example during WWII the Japanese were far more advanced than the other Asians and more than willing to exploit their neighbors. Blacks sold other blacks into slavery etc.
It’s such a white European thing to feel guilt and a sense of obligation to people of other races, and indeed to break people down in terms of race, nationality, sexuality etc. in the first place.
Here’s a link to an interesting story on how Twitter users are trying to confound efforts by the Iranian regime to crack down on protesters in Tehran who use the device by setting their location to Tehran.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=105506664
i’m white, straight and not a bleeding heart. i don’t think that the US should spend so much time with what’s going on in iran, but because of our history there, we kind of have no choice.
i’m concerned about voting rights violations and human rights violations wherever they occur. my parents were immigrants, and i see my tiny role as an american,voicing my opinion about major,silent protests in other countries, as my duty.
i don’t think much will change in iran, but at least i can voice my view. a lot of people in a lot of countries don’t have that luxury.
back to cnn…
and marc bolan-“rock on…rock on…yeah yeah yeah…”
Bleeding hearts.
If you’re going to categorize people into race, which I think is stupid to begin with, then why should white people feel guilty because we have cultivated democratic societies and enjoy relatively stable lives?
Do you have a responsibility to raise other people out of the proverbial dirt and improve their quality of life? NO. You said yourself we have no business in Iran. If they want Democracy let them earn it on their own, and create a system they can maintain on their own.
I never understood why white people are supposed to be guilty for being more “advanced” as a whole than the rest. (Though the Asians are catching up)
Again I think breaking things down in racial terms is stupid. For example during WWII the Japanese were far more advanced than the other Asians and more than willing to exploit their neighbors. Blacks sold other blacks into slavery etc.
It’s such a white European thing to feel guilt and a sense of obligation to people of other races, and indeed to break people down in terms of race, nationality, sexuality etc. in the first place.
I’ll get back to you on this cause right now I have homework to do(back getting my sped credential to compliment my multiple subject credential) but you’re already wrong in several places still calling it guilt and what not… rest assured I will spew much!
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t rex might be the way to go.
Bleeding hearts.
If you’re going to categorize people into race, which I think is stupid to begin with, then why should white people feel guilty because we have cultivated democratic societies and enjoy relatively stable lives?
who categorized anybody into race? Nationality is not race. We are a nation of elites! not elite white folks…my point is we don’t have to act like elitists.
Do you have a responsibility to raise other people out of the proverbial dirt and improve their quality of life? NO. You said yourself we have no business in Iran. If they want Democracy let them earn it on their own, and create a system they can maintain on their own.
but we do have a responsibility not to smirk at their struggles or behave as snobs. If they ask for help we should give it. if they don’t we need to not meddle.
I never understood why white people are supposed to be guilty for being more “advanced” as a whole than the rest. (Though the Asians are catching up)
Wow! racist much? Who says white people are more advanced? just cause this nation is tech savy? technology isn’t advancement in a race…and a matter of fact if you wanna go that rout, The Japanese are way more advanced than any “white” culture
Again I think breaking things down in racial terms is stupid.
extremely
For example during WWII the Japanese were far more advanced than the other Asians and more than willing to exploit their neighbors. Blacks sold other blacks into slavery etc.
that’s so advanced it smacks of capitalism!
It’s such a white European thing to feel guilt and a sense of obligation to people of other races, and indeed to break people down in terms of race, nationality, sexuality etc. in the first place.
I don’t know where you got that but I’m white and I don’t feel guilt. nor do I know anyone that does. The sense of obligation I have is to anyone who is not as fortunate as I (America) and would like to better themselves. for us to act like a snob towards a request like that is asshole-ish. other than that your not helping if you haven’t been asked.
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I never understood why white people are supposed to be guilty for being more “advanced” as a whole than the rest. (Though the Asians are catching up)
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I think shows like americas funniest home videos and also youtube could prove that whole white people “advanced” thing false…
I know people’s definitions of advanced varies, but in my eyes compassion towards a group of suffering people would certainly be included in a personality trait of a person who is “advanced”
btw here is a link to an interesting article i just read
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bbc-caught-in-mass-public-deception-with-iran-propaganda.html
also i think that people want something that is more than democracy. While democracy is a wonderful thing and i enjoy having my many freedoms under it, I do believe that there is room for improvement and wouldn’t it be wonderful to see some form of new political system that improves on democracy take form… (yeah i’m a dreamer, or niave)
Alright you guys are socialists. Should have just said that.
equal opportunity nerds be we.
Alright you guys are socialists. Should have just said that.
C’mon Sir, You can do better than this! this is weak!! The intellectual equivellent of “Fuck You,” Because you have run out of counter points.
As Far as Socialist, So are you if you live in America!
I think you don’t pay for your own Teacher, You don’t pay for your own cop, You don’t pay for your own fireman, you don’t pay for the roads you drive on, if you have any kind of insurance you belong to a socialist organization!Ever gone to the public Library? DAMN HIPPIE! Try another angle Hannity!
remember Jesus was a socialist! Are you trying to slight the baby Jesus? Shame on you!
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I’ve looked at my property tax bill; we pay for all those socialist things.
Us home owners are directly taxed via property taxes and renters have the owner’s property taxes figured into their rent.
Think of the local and federal governments as being an accounting department with accounts receivable and accounts payable.
If you’re going to categorize people into race, which I think is stupid to begin with, then why should white people feel guilty because we have cultivated democratic societies and enjoy relatively stable lives?
Because we achieved that through murdering, conquering and exploiting the resources of much of the rest of the world?
I’ve looked at my property tax bill; we pay for all those socialist things.
Correct. they are paid for, but they are not paid for on an “as needed” basis like you would your doctor(fingers crossed that that ends soon, thus actually giving the populace the right to life. and keeping fewer sick people away from me who otherwise would be walking around all disease ridden and spreading germs because they had no access to health care) your lawyer, your mechanic, gas for your car, carpet for your house, home appliances. etc. etc…
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I prepay for the doctor and dentist via payroll deduction for insurance. I pay for it whether I use it or not. I’m limited to the doctors/medical facilities on my plan or there are additional fees that I have to pay. I think the fees I pay on this medical plan are a bit excessive compared to a previous employers plan.
If the U.S. socializes health care, I’m wondering how much they are going to tax us as compared to what I pay now for my insurance plan and if I will still be able to obtain the same level of care.
I received back what I paid in and maybe then some. I was hospitalized in October with cellulitis in my ear. Time was critical in treating it because it was rapidly spreading and had it permeated the membrane between my ear and my brain or entered my bloodstream, it could have killed me.
Under socialized health care of the U.K. and Canada, would it have been treated immediately (it was treated within 2 hours of arrival) or would I have died before a doctor looked at it? After all, I didn’t really look sick or feel sick.
Anyway, back to Iran. The unrest of the people continues. The U.K. and U.S. are being blamed (easier to blame someone else than take responsibility). What else is new?
I’m quoteing something off of countdown i saw last night so this isn’t an original thought but it was stated that the original bush encouraged an uprising in iraq of the people and as a result there were countless lost lives and executions due to our non-military involvment at the time.
given obama’s hesitation to make any sort of military action, in his place with his position of action, i’d certainly not want to imspire a similar event to occur
I prepay for the doctor and dentist via payroll deduction for insurance. I pay for it whether I use it or not. I’m limited to the doctors/medical facilities on my plan or there are additional fees that I have to pay. I think the fees I pay on this medical plan are a bit excessive compared to a previous employers plan.
that’s a consortium. and a major Socialized program. the bigger the pool the smaller your payment. chances are your paymement is larger now because your employer is a member of a consortium that has a smaller membership thus meaning it has a smaller pool to draw from than your previous employer so consequently your payment is higher… now take that same idea and think of a consortium the size of America! very small payment if none at all based on people paying their taxes, of course.
As far as your life threatening illness, it is my understanding that Canada and other socialized
medicine countries push people to the front of the line based on severity and need.
Also, even if those countries don’t do that I think you still would ‘ve had the same chances of living had you not had a job or the medical benifits that you do.
Even further, I’d be willing to bet the amount of money you have paid into your medical benefits wasn’t nearly enough to pay for your procedure, which means many others with that same benefit plan who have been paying into it for probably far longer than you picked up the rest of the cost that you couldn’t cover…
As more and more jobs are lost to the eight years that was W’s legacy, there are fewer and fewer jobs that pay medical benefits, so something drastic needs to be done based on the drastic legacy that was W!
Ya’ know public education and private education coexist why not Public and private medical practices? Public mail and private mail carriers exist why not medical?
Being healthy shouldn’t be a priveledge.
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