As far as your life threatening illness, it is my understanding that Canada and other socialized
medicine countries push people to the front of the line based on severity and need.
that was my understanding of their system as well
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I’m sure everyone is triaged in the hospital and it just depends on how many cases and their severity that are active at the time. That is the same here (I’ve had to wait for many hours before due to a case of food poisoning and a heart attack that arrived after I did. I understand.). However, I don’t think I should have to wait for 24 hours, days, or a week to get my broken arm or leg seen by a doctor because they were swamped with people and I don’t have a life-threatening injury. Have more docs on staff or open another hospital if the volume of patients is consistently too great for the allocated space.
I have friends in the U.K. and Canada. We have discussed the quality of medical care and the rate at which they are seen by the doctors. Forget canceling and rescheduling another appointment because something happened - ya won’t get an appointment for many months, maybe 6 months. A friend in London said that finding a good NHS dentist is impossible; she has to go to a private dentist and pay him out of pocket. Also, MRSA runs wild because some of the people who are hired to clean do not do an adequate job/cut corners.
Speaking of strep/staff, there were only three of us in the waiting area of the E.R. that morning when I went in with the cellulitis: a woman about age 40 having a panic/anxiety attack (she was a wreck) and a really grubby-looking guy with some serious drug-seeking behavior demanding pain killers (he said he wasn’t leaving without them and pitched a fit). A little boy and his mom came in while I was in the room. I’m not sure what happened to him, but he was also subsequently admitted. We had to wait in the E.R. until they had rooms upstairs for us, and they brought us lunch.
This is what I know for certain:
10,000 employees, $10/week. 1 choice - Cigna
120,000 employees, $30/week. 6 choices - BCBS
5 million employees, $35/week. 14 choices - BCBS
Each year, benefits have been scaled back and people are expected to pay more out of pocket. Co-pays also increased for Rx from a 2-tier system to a 3-tier system.
This is what Obama proposes in regards to medical insurance for the uninsured: http://www.opm.gov/insure/health/rates/nonpostalffs2009.pdf
My 5 million person pool is only going to get bigger if we include everyone else, but I don’t see the premiums or out of pockets dropping if and when the pool grows larger.
We are going to have to make education for doctors free (no 100k plus student loans to pay back), make sure only the best people practice medicine, and pay them a living wage if all the procedures’/supplies’ costs are fixed rate regulated by the gov. Otherwise, we are destined for the same failures.
while i’m not qualified to comment on this situation, this story (and the video that inspired it) are terrible.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1906049,00.html?iid=digg_share
the video that the story is about:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfrfEtW2aT4
warning: this video is graphic. a woman dies during the :40 secs of it. consider yourself warned.
i asked myself many questions after seeing this… “why was she there?”, “why was she shot?”, “why did her dad take her there?”. i have no answers. all i can say is (with my western perspective) that i would not take my family to anything like this. the history of violence surrounding these “protests” would seem to lend itself to staying away. maybe that’s the idea of it, but shit. i’d move - get the hell out.
Yeah that is shocking to see alright, the poor girl.
The unfortunate thing with protests like these is that there is always hysteria and irrationality. I don’t know much about the location those people were passing through, if the father knew it was dangerous yeah he should have discouraged his daughter to be with him but with these fucking snipers you just don’t know.
Martyrdom is a poison bound up in all of this as well. Mousavi came out the other day and said he was prepared to be a martyr for the cause. If he is the more progressive alternative to that shithead then he needs to move away from this fundamentalist philosophy. When you see that girl die a horrible death it just invalidates the whole thing imo. Her life isn’t worth taking even if they win. The thing is this will just breed more hatred and revenge now as her family and friends will be traumatised by this for so long.
FUBAR
Yeah that is shocking to see alright, the poor girl.
The unfortunate thing with protests like these is that there is always hysteria and irrationality. I don’t know much about the location those people were passing through, if the father knew it was dangerous yeah he should have discouraged his daughter to be with him but with these fucking snipers you just don’t know.
Martyrdom is a poison bound up in all of this as well. Mousavi came out the other day and said he was prepared to be a martyr for the cause. If he is the more progressive alternative to that shithead then he needs to move away from this fundamentalist philosophy. When you see that girl die a horrible death it just invalidates the whole thing imo. Her life isn’t worth taking even if they win. The thing is this will just breed more hatred and revenge now as her family and friends will be traumatised by this for so long.
FUBAR
I think her death means that they absolutely must
NOT give up their side… otherwise she really did die in vain. Not only that I also think that her death means this fight is gonna drag on for a while… and good for them is what I say. it’s about time the under thirty somethings became represented in any government! No such thing as a peaceful revolution and certainly never produced anything worth while.
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[reply]Yeah that is shocking to see alright, the poor girl.
The unfortunate thing with protests like these is that there is always hysteria and irrationality. I don’t know much about the location those people were passing through, if the father knew it was dangerous yeah he should have discouraged his daughter to be with him but with these fucking snipers you just don’t know.
Martyrdom is a poison bound up in all of this as well. Mousavi came out the other day and said he was prepared to be a martyr for the cause. If he is the more progressive alternative to that shithead then he needs to move away from this fundamentalist philosophy. When you see that girl die a horrible death it just invalidates the whole thing imo. Her life isn’t worth taking even if they win. The thing is this will just breed more hatred and revenge now as her family and friends will be traumatised by this for so long.
FUBAR
I think her death means that they absolutely must
NOT give up their side… otherwise she really did die in vain. Not only that I also think that her death means this fight is gonna drag on for a while… and good for them is what I say. it’s about time the under thirty somethings became represented in any government! No such thing as a peaceful revolution and certainly never produced anything worth while.
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Well we’ll have to wait and see. Is it likely they’ll succeed? A success would be the end (or at least a significant step toward end) of the theocracy (and the execution of the sniper). Would this even happen under Mousavi?
The girl will no doubt become a martyr (can women become martyrs under Shi’ite criteria?) Regardless her death cannot be justified for a political cause. Her death should never have happened. It’s the 21st century. I don’t care if it’s Iran or fecking Greenland, this shit has to stop.
I don’t care if it’s Iran or fecking Greenland, this shit has to stop.
well the protestors HAVE to win otherwise it’s sets the same old standard that might makes right!
if the current Iranian government succeeds in killing the 70 percent that are protesting then they will have also suceeced in killing off the populace they plan on ruling and left themselves in prime condition for an outside coup. so either way the protestors can’t stop! How many colonists died so that our American cause could have a chance? same thing in Iran, Blood will HAVE to be spilled. Just the way I see it!
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king smurf. once again, on fire.
How many colonists died so that our American cause could have a chance? same thing in Iran, Blood will HAVE to be spilled. Just the way I see it!
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Well you can say the same thing about any conflict in history. Difference is with American War of Independence it was a war against the Brits. How many Indians died so that America became what it was? No matter how much one can admire the US it can never validate the ethnic cleansing that went on since the 16th century. Bloodshed and sacrifice does not equal automatic victory. The Iran mess is Iranians killing each other. Liken it to the Civil War. Though this is over a disputed election, not the influence of a central government.
Regardless (and obviously) conflict = bloodshed. The political system in Iran would have to change for this kind of thing not to happen again. So as it stands Iran is just too susceptible to needless deaths. Needless because if there were a better system in place people would not have to risk their lives to get a re count. Again, 21st century
[reply] How many colonists died so that our American cause could have a chance? same thing in Iran, Blood will HAVE to be spilled. Just the way I see it!
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No matter how much one can admire the US it can never validate the ethnic cleansing that went on since the 16th century.
FUCK! you certainly got me there!! I got no reply for that! perhaps my example wasn’t the best, however I don’t think Iran’s situation is akin to that situation. Iran’s is certainly more revolutionary, I think, than Civil War.
Bloodshed and sacrifice does not equal automatic victory.
undoubtedly. But for Damn sure even if the protestors lose I’d be willing to bet that Iran (Government) will think twice before they try to pull this type of shit again any time soon! As Far as I can tell people are dying for the right to a recount and/or a new election… Very sad, Yet in my eyes very noble as well. (If there is indeed such a thing as a noble death) Which makes it all the more important that the protestors win.
The Iran mess is Iranians killing each other. Liken it to the Civil War. Though this is over a disputed election, not the influence of a central government.
I wouldn’t say that. Iranians arent killing each other, Iranian government is killing it’s people. I make a clear distinction between the people and it’s government if they’re are not representitive of each other! (I Don’t think the American Government is reprsentitive of Americans either and hasn’t been for some time now (if Ever))
BUT, yes this more closely resembles a Civil War only it’s not citizen versus Citizen it’s citizen versus an opressive government. So, Again, to me it’s revolutionary.
Regardless (and obviously) conflict = bloodshed. The political system in Iran would have to change for this kind of thing not to happen again.
Well, I kinda thought that was the inadvertant outcome anyway…
So as it stands Iran is just too susceptible to needless deaths. Needless because if there were a better system in place people would not have to risk their lives to get a re count. Again, 21st century
Well I certainly see and agree with your point if it’s to keep the same system in place, very pointless. I’ve been under the impression that by the very act of protesting these people were already inadvertantly changing their government.
I guess time will tell, too bad we don’t know how much time.
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i appreciate the fact that angie’s canadian, so al gets free health care.
al probably gets free dental too, which would explain a lot.
plastic surgery comes to mind.
not for him.
I’ve been under the impression that by the very act of protesting these people were already inadvertantly changing their government.
Hopefully.
RIP.
[reply]I’ve been under the impression that by the very act of protesting these people were already inadvertantly changing their government.
Hopefully.
RIP.[/reply]
It always hurts more when they’re pretty! [:(]
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with this whole death of jacko thing, i doubt we’ll be getting as much coverage of iran which is a god damn shame.
i’m more concerned with the rest of the world continuing to pay attention to iran.
jackson’s death is a huge relief for the dumbass gossip heavy celebrity incited little minds of many in the american public.
michael jackson’s dead. we aren’t. neither are the remaining iranian people.
oh great, now i sound like an arbiter of some style of thinking myself.
well, we all have our opinions.
that’s why we’re here.
Apparently, President Ahmadinejad has launched an investigation into Neda’s death.
Apparently, President Ahmadinejad has launched an investigation into Neda’s death.
and just like O.J. said, he’s gonna find the real killer!!
what a guy!! but doesn’t give fuck 1 about the 100’s of people that have been missing/unaccounted for since the riots ended.
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