… PA users can be so intolerant of opposing views that they can take on the demeanor of a mob - or even worse create an actual loud + angry mobster - like grumpysmurf. Thus halting any possiblity for contrary opinions and open debate…
HA says the guy who tries to halt ANY Discussion…Don’t be mad that I’m a better Debater than you…But I understant…HERE COMES JIZZWADS ATTEMPT TO SHUT THIS DOWN… the irony is too funny, no?
Late,
grmpysmrf
Bud, i understand your position, and i realize that it’s not so wrong. however, despite Paul’s death, business must go on, and their business, i should hope, is to keep/add to a solid fan base and maintain a good relationship with those that pay good money for Ministry’s music and merchandise, and to see them live… and this isn’t doing anything to help. mooney138 put up a message saying that if we’re expecting an official statement that we’re not going to get one until everything’s over because it can’t. well, the fans are aware of what’s going on, so why can’t they respond to us with “We’re sorry, but this is something we don’t wish to/can’t talk about right now, we’ll give you more information when we are able to”? i will repeat myself. i don’t give a flying fuck who’s suing who for what. what does concern me is the ignoring thing, and the deletions of those threads that concerned the topic at hand. it started rather innocently, and the person that inquired first has decided that all was well and good in the deletion of his thread. find and dandy. second inquiry, well, he wasn’t so happy about the deletion. it would have bothered me, too (but i wouldn’t have asked about such a thing as a lawsuit, again, i don’t feel personally like it’s ANY of my business, but i will eventually want to know the details when the time is right)
i am a diehard fan of Al’s, and i have no grudge against the Mrs. she is clearly a part of Al’s life and Al’s business, and is definitely business minded when it comes to PR and such. however, there are forces greater than her in that camp. and i guarantee all of this was not of her doing directly. i totally understand why the deletions occurred after Paul’s death, but i am not happy about the first deletion without an explanation. i didn’t catch the first thread that was started, nor did i have any posts in it, but the original poster, he isn’t upset by it… so maybe it’s not for me to be upset, as it’s hearsay, and i have to consider that i didn’t see it. as for the rest of the threads, bad timing is the only thing that i can say will make me feel a little better about the deletions, but i’m still perturbed. and i’m still hoping that a message will be put up from the camp stating that this isn’t something that they can or will discuss right now, but perhaps be able to in the near future. that’s all they have to do to quiet those who are really bothered. nip unwelcome inquiries in the bud. AGAIN, the fans are the ones that pay their bills and put food on their table. i am disappointed that the fans are not being responded to when they ask about something such as this, just a simple statement would do… “we can’t talk about it, sorry”.
Mrs. Jay’s message to grmpysmrf was a bit over the top, but that’s to be expected when emotions go unchecked in times of grief. i’d be more supportive of his decision to post again and again on the topic if it had been a week from now… i would have been more than willing to uphold his persistence, despite the fact that i don’t give a shit about the lawsuit.
[reply]… PA users can be so intolerant of opposing views that they can take on the demeanor of a mob - or even worse create an actual loud + angry mobster - like grumpysmurf. Thus halting any possiblity for contrary opinions and open debate…
HA says the guy who tries to halt ANY Discussion…Don’t be mad that I’m a better Debater than you…But I understant…HERE COMES JIZZWADS ATTEMPT TO SHUT THIS DOWN… the irony is too funny, no?
Late,
grmpysmrf[/reply]
not only the irony of that, but the irony of someone dictating what is good/bad.
grmpysmrf, and you’re hijacking this thread to further explain your point - just a repetition of what you have already posted. Do you really need two spiteful threads on it?
I’m quite shocked about this lawsuit thing. I hope it will end the best for both parts. even if I think that there is more chance that Al & co are less in their rights than Paul, regarding the recent interviews of Al and the attitude of Mrs Jay.
I can’t wait to know the subject of the lawsuit and its conclusion.
I just can’t believe Ministry is ending like that. it’s the end of days ah ah
when you get a trial date, it’s the court’s decision. can always be changed for a good reason.
Would a tour be a good enough reason to allow court dates to be changed? I have no idea.
So are you calling me daft? What does that even mean? Why the hate?
No idea why you read that as hateful, I’m not calling anyone daft, I know precious little about the legal system myself, that’s why I’m asking. It just seems the suggestion was that they purposely made the court dates the same as the tour and I couldn’t see to what ends, what’s the point?
Yes, I do see why it looks bad as to why the band won’t make a statement as to why they can’t talk about the case. But still, I do think that at this sad time it would be a hard thing to do and pales into insignificance. As I know shit all about legal stuff, I can only speculate as to why they may never make an official comment.
I think the point was more “its gonna suck ass fitting in court mid-tour”
The touring won’t even take place for months, they can easily just reschedule dates to fit everything in. I can’t see this being impossible. They could be a bunch of dumbasses and just cancel dates, but i’m doubting that.
They could be a bunch of dumbasses and just cancel dates, but i’m doubting that.
I wouldn’t be surprised, they canceled on my whole nation one time. …twice in fact. Been about 12 years since Al n anyone came this way.
Yes I’m still bitter about it.
[I wouldn’t be surprised, they canceled on my whole nation one time. …twice in fact. Been about 12 years since Al n anyone came this way.
Yes I’m still bitter about it.
Oh did you see them in '95?? I saw them at The Big Day Out. I can still remember Al’s harmonica solo during Scarecrow - blew me away. One of the best gigs I’ve ever seen.
You couldn’t pay me to see them now though. Al pontificating about the Bush Empire with a bunch of no name Megadeth/hair metal hacks?!? Gimme a break.
[reply][I wouldn’t be surprised, they canceled on my whole nation one time. …twice in fact. Been about 12 years since Al n anyone came this way.
Yes I’m still bitter about it.
Oh did you see them in '95??[/reply]
no cry. I was 7/8 at the time.
ministry played australia and japan on that tour because that’s the routing that happens when bands go over. otherwise it’s too damn expensive. i went to big day out as well. it was awesome. never saw more rabid fans than those pirate australians ,aussies whatever the favored moniker.
Ooh, I just thought up a possibility…
Since Ministry has always been a Hypo Luxa joint and that Hermes Pan asshole was just “hired help”, perhaps good ol’ “Uncle” Al can sue for the rights to the old Ministry/Side project catalog. Then he could digitally remove Paul’s bassline from the mix! His basslines were so boring and repetitive anyway. Then Al could get someone really talented like that Sin kid to record over them instead! Yeah, that would kick ass!!!
Oh yeah, and certain elements of the production on the older material sound dated (probably Paul’s fault, a-gain!) The old material would be way more enjoyable if they could re-release it and remix it to sound like the tinny industrial butt-rock groove that Uncle Al pulls of so well these days!!!
Only then will the royalty $$$ go where it truly belongs. After all, Al is Ministry isn’t he?!?! He was the one responsible for the bands sound, not Barker, Reflein, Connelly, Washam, Scaccia, Buford etc. Those no-loads didn’t do shit but play what they were told!
Time for these sorry SOB’s to stop riding on the coattails of a genius and give credit where credit is due! No more welfare checks in the mail suckas, “Uncle” Al’s gotta get his!
if you have songwriting credits and you die, your heirs get to collect your royalties for 70 years beyond that(unless it’s been again extended in the past few years).
if you have songwriting credits and you die, your heirs get to collect your royalties for 70 years beyond that(unless it’s been again extended in the past few years).
After 70 years does it become public domain? Or is there a way to keep the rights after said 70 years? (Or however long it is.)
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grmpysmrf
after the 70, it’s public domain.
to repugnant pete: you can remix, remaster, digitally alter, add some sounds, whatever. you still need to pay the original songwriters. haha to the current crew who don’t have a grasp of this.
i’ve been around long enough to know this crap in my sleep.
appreciate your “honest” assessment.
Why are people taking sides before any facts are known, or even what the controversy of the case is?
Afra is probably right, it does seem to deal with either a royalty or publishing issue. But it’s all speculation right now.
Always figured if it’s public domain you could sample it no problem, which Ministry AND KMFDM has done with the same sample, but both had problems and had to recall (KMFDM did at least) or take it off all together which both bands have done. Always figured that was fine, but I guess not. Thanks for the tip.
it’s not a matter of taking sides. the facts are that al and paul and the roving band of guest stars created something fantastic. when that was happening al was perfectly happy. now, he’s having a rebirth of sorts.publicly stating that he couldn’t stand working with paul.
sorry he was under the influence for decades. that’s no legal excuse now to sue. (look it up–i have).
can’t wait for this trial when all of the former players get to have their day in court , one way or another.
i can guess which way it will go.