So what’s your point, Mama Cass?
I don’t know what you are trying to proove or who you are trying to impress, BIG MAMMA, but your ramblings are a little too late. You should have spoken up long before the verdict if you wanted to make a change.
You have no clue, novice.
I took an oath to uphold the Constitution of the United States; thus, I am prohibited from directly and/or indirectly influencing legislation.
Well, I’ve been working an undercover job for the last 8 years that I signed and swore secrecy too.
So what’s your point, Mama Cass?
I don’t know what you are trying to proove or who you are trying to impress, BIG MAMMA, but your ramblings are a little too late. You should have spoken up long before the verdict if you wanted to make a change.
Watch it, Lady! YOU, of all people, should really keep your comments above the belt. I don’t think you wanna go there if you catch my drift . . . We kept it all PG13 before, and I really don’t think you want late-night Gunnar showing up to the party next time around.
I only have to mention a certain Food Network personality who recently made the news for telling the truth in court about something that she said many years ago while she had a gun pointed at her during a bank robbery
Jesus Christ. I’m not going to get into the Trayvon thing, because it’s too complex a topic to adequately debate in a forum, but can we please end the myth that Paula Deen was fired because she said “nigger” during a twenty-year old bank robbery.
She got fired because she wanted to romanticize the old south with a “plantation” themed wedding that basically included slaves. As a result, The Food Network (and many of their sponsors) decided they didn’t want to be associated with such a grossly antiquated mindset. I can’t blame them.
Maybe she’s a horrible racist, maybe she’s not. I don’t know; I’ve never met her. But I wouldn’t want my brand connected with “slave wedding, tee hee, what a delightful idea!” Oh, also horrible allegations about the way her brother treats employees (in the restaurant she co-owns).
This isn’t some PC witch-hunt out to punish someone for “saying a bad word.” This is about companies wanting to maintain a positive image.
The context of the post was media manipulation. The news segments I viewed focused mainly on her word from years ago vs. the real story. Which brings up: Are you stating PD suffered because of what her brother wanted for his party theme, that her brother is a racist, and/or her brother used poor judgement? or Are you saying PD wanted that theme for her brother’s party, that she is racist, and/or she used poor judgement? Or are you stating that they are both guilty because they both wanted that theme, are racist, and/or have poor judgement? Really, it’s unclear to me and I’m asking.
Spokes people dropped due to negative brand association: Tiger, Lance, Paula, O.J., etc. Maybe product endorsement by celebrities should be eliminated due to human error. Really, it’s only a matter of time before someone does something to flaw the image of a brand (us humans are just an error waiting to happen).
Were PD or her brother directly involved with running the day to day ops of each restaurant/business in which their employees were treated poorly? or were they managed by General Managers? Many employers (Owners/General Managers) do not treat their employees very well (subjective) or keep direct oversight of their location (ever watch Undercover Boss?). We do not usually see them in the news for it unless it’s going to boost ratings or they did something allegedly illegal. As far as treating employees badly goes: Everyone might want to think about who picked the oranges, what the orange harvesters are paid, and the conditions the orange harvesters live in the next time you guys drink orange juice.
The news is not being reported; it is being manufactured.
Paula got fired because the staff was afraid she might deep fry them and eat them.
Or are you stating that they are both guilty because they both wanted that theme, are racist, and/or have poor judgement? Really, it’s unclear to me and I’m asking.
Maybe she’s a horrible racist, maybe she’s not. I don’t know; I’ve never met her. But I wouldn’t want my brand connected with “slave wedding, tee hee, what a delightful idea!”
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Yes, I’m saying that she has poor judgement.
And I’m also saying that the common claim that she…
made the news for telling the truth in court about something that she said many years ago
…is a really ignorant simplification/dodge of the lawsuit against her right now that corporate entities have every right to distance themselves from.
Yeah… didn’t Paula want to have black servers or some shit at a wedding dressed like they would have during the days of slavery or was that a crock of shit?
The only person I know of who I can honestly say I think is a racist is Jesse Jackson.
[reply]Or are you stating that they are both guilty because they both wanted that theme, are racist, and/or have poor judgement? Really, it’s unclear to me and I’m asking.
Maybe she’s a horrible racist, maybe she’s not. I don’t know; I’ve never met her. But I wouldn’t want my brand connected with “slave wedding, tee hee, what a delightful idea!”
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Yes, I’m saying that she has poor judgement.
And I’m also saying that the common claim that she…
made the news for telling the truth in court about something that she said many years ago
…is a really ignorant simplification/dodge of the lawsuit against her right now that corporate entities have every right to distance themselves from.[/reply]
Easy killer. I’m just letting you know the news clips (yes, more than one) I happened to see focused solely on something that she said many years ago, nothing about the brother, the party, or the lawsuit. The media is not telling the whole story, imagine that.
I was thinking about celebrity endorsements after the post. Martha Stewart was convicted and did the time for insider trading, but she still has her product endorsement deals with Macy’s, Home Depot, JC Penney, and various craft stores. It seems insider trading and prison are apparently not as taboo as doping, cheating on your spouse, racism, and being acquitted of murder.
the more I think about it, the more I realized how lucky I was…I was attacked by 3 teens, called out on my race…they probably could have killed me if they wanted to…and like I said, I had weapons on me and could have killed them if I wanted to…but that’s what it comes down to…not wanting to. they didn’t want to kill me, I didn’t want to kill them.
zimmerman could have had that same option. he chose wrongly, “self defense” or not. but killing in self defense isn’t looked at as bad in america, I suppose. one should still get jail time if you kill in self defense, or even unintentional, not as much as murder time, but still time should be done. NO ONE should be able to get off free after killing someone REGARDLESS of the circumstances that lead to the killing. it’s the laws that need to be re-evaulated.
I didn’t even bring this thing to court. I was a teen at the time, I didn’t think about any of that stuff. I was just thinking of what lie I could tell my parents to cover up what happened. my friends took care of me that day.
man this case brought these memories back up, something I haven’t thought about in years. sorry for ranting.
Just curious, do any of you guys think that if the weapon had been in full view (unconcealed in its holster outside of the jacket vs. concealed in the holster under the jacket) that it would have made a difference in the outcome?
Whenever a gun is in full view I get kinda nervous. I just don’t like the fucking things being around in public. I don’t think it’s necessary and every excuse I here people make (like when idiots brought up how had there been a gun owner at the TDKR shootings less people would’ve died - horsefuckingshit!).
But this is a whole other discussion and really doesn’t matter at this point.
Cops make me nervous too. Doesn’t matter if I’m not doing anything wrong. Just the power that they have and the fact that they could fuck me over and it’s their word vs. mine.
guess I’m oblivious to guns, work in a school with a cop and he carries a gun. and two of my students brought guns to schools (both in seperate schools, not mine) so I’m kinda expecting to see one one day, sad as that sounds.
guess I’m oblivious to guns, work in a school with a cop and he carries a gun. and two of my students brought guns to schools (both in seperate schools, not mine) so I’m kinda expecting to see one one day, sad as that sounds.
Why would it be sad to see a gun? Or are you saying it’s sad that you’ve yet to see one or because you’re oblvious to guns?
I notice right the fuck away if someone is carrying.
[reply]Just curious, do any of you guys think that if the weapon had been in full view (unconcealed in its holster outside of the jacket vs. concealed in the holster under the jacket) that it would have made a difference in the outcome?
Yes. But, I don’t recommend that citizens walk around with guns in view, either. People should be taught to expect that someone else might be carrying a gun.[/reply]
Agreed. The ultimate cost of a confrontation/pissing someone off is paying with our lives because the person has a weapon. My mum and I had this discussion many years ago with my dad when we were all in the car and someone committed a driving foul on the freeway which pissed off my dad. At least he listened to us that time when we told him to let it go. My mum’s exact words, “You don’t know if he’s got a gun or not!”
I can also relate to law enforcement’s ability to lie. 2 out of 4 times I’ve been stopped, the officer has lied and one threatened me.
[reply]guess I’m oblivious to guns, work in a school with a cop and he carries a gun. and two of my students brought guns to schools (both in seperate schools, not mine) so I’m kinda expecting to see one one day, sad as that sounds.
Why would it be sad to see a gun? Or are you saying it’s sad that you’ve yet to see one or because you’re oblvious to guns?
I notice right the fuck away if someone is carrying.[/reply]
sad that I’m expecting or wouldn’t be surprised to see one of my students bring one in.
[reply][reply]guess I’m oblivious to guns, work in a school with a cop and he carries a gun. and two of my students brought guns to schools (both in seperate schools, not mine) so I’m kinda expecting to see one one day, sad as that sounds.
Why would it be sad to see a gun? Or are you saying it’s sad that you’ve yet to see one or because you’re oblvious to guns?
I notice right the fuck away if someone is carrying.[/reply]
sad that I’m expecting or wouldn’t be surprised to see one of my students bring one in.[/reply]
Oh, okay. That makes sense.
[reply][reply]Just curious, do any of you guys think that if the weapon had been in full view (unconcealed in its holster outside of the jacket vs. concealed in the holster under the jacket) that it would have made a difference in the outcome?
Yes. But, I don’t recommend that citizens walk around with guns in view, either. People should be taught to expect that someone else might be carrying a gun.[/reply]
Agreed. The ultimate cost of a confrontation/pissing someone off is paying with our lives because the person has a weapon. My mum and I had this discussion many years ago with my dad when we were all in the car and someone committed a driving foul on the freeway which pissed off my dad. At least he listened to us that time when we told him to let it go. My mum’s exact words, “You don’t know if he’s got a gun or not!”
I can also relate to law enforcement’s ability to lie. 2 out of 4 times I’ve been stopped, the officer has lied and one threatened me.[/reply]
I disagree with this entirely. If you have a gun it should be in full view. Why not? Even me, who gets anxious around exposed weapons, feels that guns should be displayed at all times. I can’t understand why they shouldn’t be.
But we really are getting into something totally different here.
going a little off topic on this thread, but on topic about guns, my class had a disccusion after the CT shootings last year. keep in mind I work in a very urban area, in a type of classroom that has some of the worst students in the city. the students basically said, “that’s what they do in the white neighborhoods, they go around and shoot people in school. shit, they’d be too scared to come in and try to shoot up one of our schools!” I told them that there may be some truth in that statement. he continued “well you know how we do it in the hood…we don’t shoot people in school, we wait till after school when we’re across the street” …which is actually true.