I think you’re (like most) are confusing 1st and second degree murder. If he set out to kill TM that would constitute 1st degree murder or pre-meditated that’s not what he was up for. he was up for second degree murder which is an unplanned intentional killing or death caused by reckless disregard for human life. If he was truly scared for his safety he would have stayed in his truck until the cops arrived or even fled the scene. but he didn’t cause he wasn’t scared for his life… Hence, murder 2
Nope. The scared for his life didn’t happen until he got his ass beat. the scared for his life has to be immediately prior to firing the shot according to the statute of self defense. He can’t leave and come back with a gun, it has to be immediately prior to the shot that he felt fear for his life.
The state did a crap job in proving their case. They themselves raised reasonable doubt.
How so?
http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/07/14/why-zimmerman-was-acquitted/
MO did a freakin fantastic job on defense
would that be the knock knock joke guy?
No, DW is the joke guy. The older guy.
Does not fit M2 criteria and self defense is for manslaughter also.
I think it does.
Ill-will, spite, hatred, and evil intent is hard to prove when you have never met a person before and have absolutely no personal background on them what so ever and there are recorded calls that have a calm voice and no racial slurs/derogatory terms used in them.
Again, too much reasonable doubt to convict.The jury believes that GZ is in fear for his life immediately prior to the shot.
I disagree. obviously.
You don’t have to believe he was, the jury did based on the evidence and the law. The state could not provide enough evidence to prove to the jury is was not self defense. See link above.
- There has been a very fine media manipulation campaign that started pretty much immediately after the incident took place.
I don’t think so. But perhaps you could provide evidence of such.
It started with the photos of a little boy and a fat man
Treyvon’s pic was only 7 mos old hardly a manipulation. they didn’t book Zimmerman so where are they to get a pic since they didn’t have a current mug shot? They gonna go to the family… hey can we have a current pic of your son who killed skinny black kid?
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Search the net for images for a 5’ 11" 158 lb image of TM and see what you find. Now search for GZ and see what you find. Additionally, the media played truncated clips of the calls to paint a picture (I’m sure they will defend themselves as to say in the best interest of time - that is why I said that you have to listen to all of the calls, witness testimony from the beginning to the end to know what happened in the big picture), they brought SYG into the lime light when it was not used in this case, this case is all about race profiling when there is no evidence to support that claim, etc.
I do think that an overhaul is needed in our court system (after seeing it fail first-hand in the case in which I was a witness). However, SYG got a FL woman 20 years in prison for firing warning shots at her abusive hubby. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/
The difference is that with assault and battery, the force has to be like force. Just because GZ verbally confronted TM or vice versa (TM SYG to GZ verbally), neither party had the right to hit each other because that was not like force in a verbal confrontation. Both at fault. We know from a 911 call that there was a verbal argument just prior to the screaming. Unless you can explain otherwise, GZ got punched in the face from the police photo, both had each others blood on them indicating they were in a physical altercation of some sort to transfer the blood between each other. a witness said TM was in g&p position on top of GZ. TM had grass stains on the knees of his trousers. TM’s autopsy report shows only two potential sources of origin for blood flow on his body, one of his left fingers had an abrasion on it and the GSW in his chest. No evidence that GZ hit TM in the autopsy report. GZ’s nose was still bleeding in the police photos taken from the back of the patrol car. a blood spot of GZ’s was found on the lower edge of TM’s inner shirt, implying that they were facing each other and the blood was dripping readily from his nose (If TM’s knees were at GZ’s armpits, this would have been junk in the face position and very very likely with that dripping nose). GZ’s jacket had GZ’s blood on the back of it. IMO, the back of GZ’s head looks like wounds from his head sliding on the concrete sidewalk (side walks are usually leveled with a 2x4 when they are poured and it leaves little rough ridges vs a smooth polished surface). They had 4 minutes to argue, punch, roll around in the grass/on the sidewalk, and then shoot. TM had to either be leaning over GZ, on his back, on his side, or on his knees when GZ shot, but GZ would have had grass stains on his knees too unless he was pointing at pretty much a 90 degree angle to TM’s chest (even if he did, he can still claim that he was in fear for his life). If TM was on his back, GZ would have had to position TM’s body face down with hands under him before anyone arrived. If TM was on his knees, he would have fallen forward and GZ would have had to been sitting or on his knees also when the shot was fired for it to go straight into the chest. If TM was on his side, GZ would have also had to have been on his side. The gun was 2-4 inches from TM’s chest and the clothing was hanging away from the skin of his chest vs. directly up against it. TM’s blood either came from TM’s chest wound while TM was over the top of GZ or from TM’s finger. Listen to the 911 call of the screaming. It is also possible that TM moved off GZ on his own (adrenaline and stress hormones) and collapsed face down because people do not instantly die even when shot in the heart.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/07/09/11-calls-becoming-heart-zimmerman-trial/
Now do you see how the jury reached its conclusion? The evidence pointed to self-defense with TM on top of GZ when the shot was fired.
The state needed to use this information to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that GZ did not act in self defense (burden of proof for manslaughter, 782.07 (1)), and they failed to do just that because the physical evidence in this case tells the story of what happened immediately prior to the shot being fired.
No matter how much you want something to be true, the evidence does not lie and the law has to be followed.
I know that this case is very difficult for some people to fit in their thought processes. It is a tragic event that did not have to happen. Like I said, I really thought the jury was going to come back with manslaughter because they wouldn’t be able to figure out what happened just prior to the shot.
