Would you be uncomfortable....?

Discussion
22

I don’t know about ass grabbing and tongue swallowing haha!! But like peligro said a simple kiss or holding hands is fine by me.

I went back and reread his original post, thanks.

(clowns, pony rides, ice cream cake…the works) the same sex couple start holding hands and occasionally kissing.

I’m rethinking this entirely . . . . I don’t know any kids that are scared of fairies, but clowns on the other hand . . . clowns are creepy as heck and can cause long term psychological damage! Oh, and way more clowns molest (and sometimes kill) children than the homos do.

23

The fuck?

What were your parents “doing” when all this was taking place?! Did they take part in that shit?

My parents more or less kept a low profile and kept to themselves. They didn’t participate in orgies or screw each other in front of the group. And the didn’t really take drugs - other than the occasional hit from a spliff. I guess it probably wasn’t as extreme as what I made it out to be, but there was alot of nudity and pot. It wasn’t like a sex cult or anything but shit did get a little crazy at times. Most peeps were laid back but there were some types who were definitely only there for the sex. But they tended to get weeded out and were generally asked to leave.

But yeah, they did encourage the whole “free love” ethos - even encouraged the younger member to experiment with each other.

I didn’t complain.

Didn’t you tell me once that whole shebang out in the sticks got shut down by the cops?

Yeah, there was some creep who made videotapes some of the teenagers. The cops raided the place, but we had long gone by then. My family moved out shortly after a guy pulled a knife on my dad.

24

Basically the rule is, if you would tolerate X behavior from a heterosexual couple, you should tolerate X behavior from the homosexual couple. It’s really quite simple.

Public displays of affection at a children’s party are quite distasteful in my opinion, unless it’s a minor thing. But yeah if you would tolerate it from straights then you have to tolerate it from a gay couple. It’s the same thing.

But - as Gunnar pointed out - if it’s on MY property and at MY child’s birthday party that the gay couple are displaying their affection at, then don’t I reserved the right to decide what sort of behaviour is acceptable on my premises - without facing allegations of bigotry from those members of the public who do think it’s appropriate behaviour.

If my daughter brought a friend over for a sleep over or whatever and that friend was underage and turned up wearing a short skirt and heavily applied make up - then don’t I reserve the right to make it clear that I don’t accept that kind of behaviour in my house? Even though wearing a short skirt and make up might be a basic human right.

How can you dictate what sort of behaviour I should condone on my own premises?

But the dilemma is : how can I voice my opinion and not leave myself open to abuse and condemnation from other members of the public who have differing views on what is considered appropriate behaviour?

25

You think an underage girl wearing a micromini skirt is the same as a gay couple showing affection?

I cant even begin to tell you how unequal those two comparisons are. I’m dumbfounded at this turn of lunacy you have displayed here. What has happened to the sharp wit of the peligro I once knew?

What it boils down to is equality. If you would let 7th grade girl A wear a mini skirt in your home but not 7th grade girl B wear a miniskirt then that would be closer to idea of letting couple A show affection at said party but not letting couple B show affection. Now the comparisons are closer to the same and still opens you to being a bigot in either situation.
Late,
grmpysmrf

26

I not saying that I would do ANY of the things I have outlined.

But really, don’t you have the right to dictate the sort of behaviour - moral or otherwise - that takes place under your roof??

27

It shouldn’t matter based on sexuality. Like Void said about PDA, there’s a time and a place for that kind of thing. And a kid’s birthday isn’t one of them. Holding hands, sure. Nothing wrong with that. But if they’re kissing constantly then yeah, its kinda disrespectful.

28

But really, don’t you have the right to dictate the sort of behaviour - moral or otherwise - that takes place under your roof??

Well of course you do but that doesn’t seem to really be your question. Your question was about doing these things without the judging eyes of society. So you gotta balance what’s more important to you. 'Cause society is going to judge no matter what. Letting the straight couple kiss or hold hands at your kids birthday party and barring the gay couple from doing so. This is well within your rights under your roof, but you open yourself up to being called a bigot. Letting both couples kiss or hold hands under your roof you risk being called a dirty hippie. What label are you more comfortable with?
Late,
grmpysmrf

29

This thread is really quite stupid.

30

Yeah, what the hell. It’s like starting a thread “would you let black people enter your house”.

31

Thirded.

32

Yeah, what the hell. It’s like starting a thread “would you let black people enter your house”.

If they’re just going to politely eat some cake and watch the magic show, sure. But not if they’re going to be shamelessly committing obvious acts of blackness and totally flaunting it in everyone’s faces and such.

33

This is well within your rights under your roof, but you open yourself up to being called a bigot. Letting both couples kiss or hold hands under your roof you risk being called a dirty hippie. What label are you more comfortable with?

I would much rather be labled a bigot than a hippie.

34

I not saying that I would do ANY of the things I have outlined.

But really, don’t you have the right to dictate the sort of behaviour - moral or otherwise - that takes place under your roof??

yes, you have the right to tell the gay couple that you are uncomfortable, and would like it that they stop. that IS your right, as it is your house. BUT it is their right, and the right of every other person both involved and later informed to think that you are a backwoods moron for doing so.

its also your right to get megadeth lyrics tattooed on your face, or even walk around in black face, or a KKK hood, or any number of other things that you COULD do… but it is everyone else’s right to think that you are an idiot, a racist, a fool, or a chump.

thats the thing about rights, everyone has them.

35

Peligro I think you should take on the Baboon 3 mantle and do homophobic some songs dude. Then play them when those faggots from next-door come over and start crossing swords, pissing in each other’s mouths and jizzing in the kiddie pool.

36

I’m not homophobic in the slightest - and I’m not saying (once again) that I would put a stop to that sort of behaviour.

And the “letting black people” into the party argument isn’t valid here, as I’m arguing the point in regards to what is deemed to be socially accepted behaviour.

The question is …what would you do? If the gay couple were causing a stir amongst the other families, do you risk being labelled a bigot in order to keep the peace? Isn’t it ok to say: look I have no problem with same sex couples per se, but I’d rather they didn’t flaunt their affection for each other under my roof.

And no this thread ISN’T stupid.

37

Then play them when those faggots from next-door come over and start crossing swords, pissing in each other’s mouths and jizzing in the kiddie pool.

I’d film that shit and watch it later in privacy. Particularly if the couple involved were young, asian, smooth and hairless.

38

Isn’t it ok to say: look I have no problem with same sex couples per se, but I’d rather they didn’t flaunt their affection for each other under my roof.

This thread IS stupid because that IS bigotry.

Again, because you said you’d be ok with straight couples doing it.

And yes, you have every right to be a bigot. Case closed.

39

[reply] Isn’t it ok to say: look I have no problem with same sex couples per se, but I’d rather they didn’t flaunt their affection for each other under my roof.

This thread IS stupid because that IS bigotry.

Again, because you said you’d be ok with straight couples doing it.

And yes, you have every right to be a bigot. Case closed.[/reply]

It’s not a matter of bigotry, it’s a matter of situational control. It’s about mitigating variables that you have control over in order to effect an optimal outcome. And I have no problem with it whatsoever.

If I’m going to have a bunch of clients over to a party and I know they’re all hardcore conservatives I’m going to ask Grumpysmurf to politely bite his tongue if someone starts yapping about taxes or Obama or whatnot. If he can’t accept such terms I’ll just tell him to bow out and we’ll get together again some other time.

And if it was my 90 year old grandmother and her old school friends at a party and I thought they might get freaked out by the gay dudes I’d handle it the same way.

40

This thread is really quite stupid.

Voidhead rules.

41

[reply][reply] Isn’t it ok to say: look I have no problem with same sex couples per se, but I’d rather they didn’t flaunt their affection for each other under my roof.

This thread IS stupid because that IS bigotry.

Again, because you said you’d be ok with straight couples doing it.

And yes, you have every right to be a bigot. Case closed.[/reply]

It’s not a matter of bigotry, it’s a matter of situational control. It’s about mitigating variables that you have control over in order to effect an optimal outcome. And I have no problem with it whatsoever.

If I’m going to have a bunch of clients over to a party and I know they’re all hardcore conservatives I’m going to ask Grumpysmurf to politely bite his tongue if someone starts yapping about taxes or Obama or whatnot. If he can’t accept such terms I’ll just tell him to bow out and we’ll get together again some other time.

And if it was my 90 year old grandmother and her old school friends at a party and I thought they might get freaked out by the gay dudes I’d handle it the same way.[/reply]

Alright I will retract my “this thread is stupid” statement, though I will say it feels like a strange attempt to justify homophobic behavior in a really specific and bizarre situation context which is…silly. But it has sparked some kind of genuine debate I suppose so calling it stupid was flippant on my part.

To Gunnar:

I feel it’s bigotry because you’re singling someone out based on sexual orientation, which is differs from political orientation in my opinion.

It’s less of a choice/learned behavior and more of a core trait, like race. I think that’s the crux of our disagreement.

Being gay is not an opinion.

Also to presuppose that this is a “straight” gathering (you are using the comparison to a conservative gathering) simply because this is the only couple that is “out of the closet” among the bunch is naive at best, in my opinion.