i never saw girlschool. i’m feeling a pang of jealousy even tho it was apparently a shitty show.
a semi recent one was whomever the first opening band (there were 2) was on the first ohgr solo tour show at the limelight in NYC
hmm… what else… I remember the cows sucking on the tour behind primus’ tales from the punchbowl tour
Young Gods opening up for Ministry. 95% was nothing but tape. The singer about halfway into the set picked up a guitar and just made some noise for about 10 minutes, couldn’t play anything but just made noise. After that he picked up a large flashlight and started shining it around for a while. The other dude on drums couldn’t keep time with the tape. I mean it was bad.
Whaddaya mean? Sounds great!!
Can’t really name a worst opening act as to be honest I don’t go to many ‘rock’ gigs, mostly just noise shit. I’m not in to watching a bunch of alternadorks lug their guitars around a stage for an hour and a half making the most god awful, boring, off key noise imaginable.
Also quite amazed at the amount of respect for NIN on this board. I can’t get over it. They are awful. Awful, awful, awful. Crappy, ho hum glitch electro rock with lyrics written by a 14 year old mopey emo/goth attention seeker. I cannot think of ONE decent NIN track - ONE track that hasn’t made me cringe in horror at its sheer awfulness or burst out laughing at its sheer stupidity.
(Oh…actually, that’s not 100% true. There is a song off The Fragile (yes I have heard their albums, I’m not just making assumptions) called ‘The Wretched’ which, I must admit, is really quite decent.)
Anyway, I have been to a few music festivals in my time, where I would generally wander around smirking at the adoration being received by very, very, very pedestrian acts. Oasis back in 2001 springs instantly to mind. I stopped and watched them for about twenty minutes or so, transfixed by their mundane, completely lifeless performance. But the masses were swooning over them like deities. Very strange. I couldn’t see the attraction. Honestly, it was like watching a stodgy pub rock act playing very bad cover versions of Moody Blues and Kinks songs and charching $100 a ticket to boot!!!
Also quite amazed at the amount of respect for NIN on this board.
It’s not this board - it’s all over the Internet.
I have mentioned this before and this has also surprised me. I have tried to make some sense of it. The only thing I can conclude is people all over like to live in the past.
TDS, decent/good album. It was released about 15 years ago - I was 15 when it came out. I knew very little of music back then - nothing compared to what I know now. In those 15 years, I feel much more has come out from a lot of other artists that surpass the quality of TDS. Yet, people bring this album up time and time again like it’s the be all end of all of music. Wasn’t even close.
Everytime Reznor puts out an album, it’s hilarious. People are always disappointed but yet always go back to him for more and more disappointment. He’s been like that for the past 10 years. Besides, even if he did another TDS - boring! Good God man, innovate. His last album is good for what it is really: radio pop. The remixes sound good.
But he put out some good music - I personally disliked PHM (I think this had to do with the fact that all the teeny bopper girls in school liked it - it put me off), but enjoyed Broken and liked TDS. Fixed was solid man - I remember that was huge commotion when that came out. You are right though, he was emo before it existed.
YOU CAN HAVE MY ISOLATION; YOU CAN HAVE THE HATE THAT IT BRINGS
YOU CAN HAVE MY ABSENCE OF FAITH; YOU CAN HAVE MY EVERYTHING
i’m trying not to be as jaded as you, senor pelligro.
it’s tough. most bands are pure and uttter shit. NIN does not fall into that category, although i have always had the nagging notion that trentmo does what he wants --and here you dumbasses go.
and i know him personally. and i’m on the fence with the recent offerings.
and i would be the first person to say that to trent. and then he’d probably smile give a hug and walk away.
music informs and shapes our lives, and i think trent gets that, even if i’m not thrilled with what he’s currently up to, there is the mutual respect. that means more than anything.
although i have always had the nagging notion that trentmo does what he wants --and here you dumbasses go.
That’s what I’ve thought ever since the Fragile. He just puts out what he feels like. Which I sort of respect.
And it’s great what he’s doing for the distribution of music these days. And as I’ve said before, the live shows are great to sit back and watch.
Oh… and that Otto guy from the SP tour did indeed suck.
This deserves a thread of its own.
I’m 35 and seen it all pretty much, so I guess I can be excused for being a little ‘jaded’. However, I’m honestly not jaded or musically snobby enough to foolishly believe that NIN are one of the worst bands out there. They’re not, I realise this - so leave the flaming to a minimum if possible.
Sure, NIN are ‘cool, dark and innovative’ to an extent, but in a VERY generic, MTV acceptable kind of way - alternative but MTV alternative. The adoration they receive just bugs me. They’re like…the David Fincher of the Rolling Stone crowd, if you catch my drift. They’re David Fincher dark and arty as opposed to Bergman dark and arty or Haneke dark and arty. A bit like Beck or The Smashing Pumpkins. Once you’ve been exposed to truly genre bending, mind blowing, life altering ‘alternative’ music (um…Boredoms, Caroliner Rainbow, Sun City Girls, Nurse With Wound, Whitehouse) suddenly Trenty boy and his motley bunch of gothic pretty boy pin up pretenders suddenly seem rather stale and…well ‘normal’ by comparison.
It just ain’t that exciting. Anyway you slice it Trent, it’s still pop/rock. You can only dress it up so much.
(And on a side note, NOBODY does mope rock like Morrissey, Trent. Take a leaf out of his book. You just DON’T have the lyrical skill, the wit, nor the goddamn panache to pull it off.
Sorry I just had to throw that in.)
Hmmmm…If I’m going to listen ‘electronic based’ music I can think of a million more sonically innovative acts that don’t involve some 40 something with millions in the bank, apeing autechre and aphex twin (with a dash of Joy Division thrown in for good measure) and whining like a fucking crybaby titty teen with poor communication skills. But the ‘cool’ kids love it and thus it will always receive the accolades most unbefitting to it.
More fool them.
As Mike Patton famously once said : It shouldn’t bother me…but it does.
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he was emo before it existed.
no it existed but it was actually decent music from fugazi to sunny day real estate. i have no clue where this horrible wanna be goth image pop rock became emo with the makeup and haircuts and shit. emo wasn’t always about an image. reznor on the other hand…
tds is one of my all time fav albums. front to back its strong and a perfect mix of industrial/pop/rock. and i don’t think any other album has blended those specific genres anywhere near as good as that cd did. but i don’t expect him to ever put anything out i like again. he seems way to preoccupied with making the masses happy, playing arenas, and making money to make anything worthwhile musically.
[reply]he was emo before it existed.
no it existed but it was actually decent music from fugazi to sunny day real estate.[/reply]
He’s right. Emo just morphed from bands like Fugazi into some weird back of the hand on the forehead, arm cutting, elmo-goth [:(]
I have mentioned this before and this has also surprised me. I have tried to make some sense of it. The only thing I can conclude is people all over like to live in the past.
I don’t think it’s a case of people living in the past, more a case of people prefering fast food to fine dining, if you know what I mean.
As Peligro said, the goth kids want dark and arty, but served up in an MTV acceptable, alterna- rock/pop kinda fashion. Most NIN fans are hardly going to rush out and buy the latest Scott Walker opus of pain and self degradation - you can’t ‘rock out’ to that!!!
TDS, decent/good album. It was released about 15 years ago - I was 15 when it came out. I knew very little of music back then - nothing compared to what I know now.
I was in my early twenties when TDS came out. It did nothing for me then and does nothing for me now - except make me slightly fucking nauseous.
Everytime Reznor puts out an album, it’s hilarious.
You can say that again. And leave it at that.
"Yup, Pitbull Day Care was pretty worthless! "
Ah, I was going to post this but you beat me to the punch grumpy!
Not just awful, GOD AWFUL!
I think the worst part about pitbull day care was the poses that they constantly struck throughout their entire set. The horrible-assed guitarists would strike a chord and then hold their guitars up in the air as it rang out. The fucking douche-nozzle of a singer kept hitting himself on the head and at least once a song would do a roll of king kong chest pounding.
Jesus christ!
The fucking douche-nozzle of a singer kept hitting himself on the head!
Aw, Come on, that was pretty funny! Even though I’m sure it wasn’t supposed to be! But everything else about those artards that you pointed certainly added to their already terrible noise.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Yup.
You are right though. We did chuckle. But then we felt kind of bad about it. You know, like laughing at the mentally handicapped: it’s funny, but then you feel like a bad person afterward.
That’s what Pitbull day care did to a friend and myself.
Also quite amazed at the amount of respect for NIN on this board. I can’t get over it. They are awful. Awful, awful, awful. Crappy, ho hum glitch electro rock with lyrics written by a 14 year old mopey emo/goth attention seeker. I cannot think of ONE decent NIN track - ONE track that hasn’t made me cringe in horror at its sheer awfulness or burst out laughing at its sheer stupidity.
(Oh…actually, that’s not 100% true. There is a song off The Fragile (yes I have heard their albums, I’m not just making assumptions) called ‘The Wretched’ which, I must admit, is really quite decent.)
Anyway, I have been to a few music festivals in my time, where I would generally wander around smirking at the adoration being received by very, very, very pedestrian acts. Oasis back in 2001 springs instantly to mind. I stopped and watched them for about twenty minutes or so, transfixed by their mundane, completely lifeless performance. But the masses were swooning over them like deities. Very strange. I couldn’t see the attraction. Honestly, it was like watching a stodgy pub rock act playing very bad cover versions of Moody Blues and Kinks songs and charching $100 a ticket to boot!!!
I dont agree with your NIN killing policy but I do agree with your Oasis killing policy; they truly are awful wankers and their music is utterly woeful. Worse, they have a new album out and every dickhead in the place will buy it.
Are we losers if we listen to pop music? Are we losers to listen to mainstream music? Are we cool because we don’t listen to what kids listen? Some of you seem to agree with that and I respect, and yes it’s kinda cool be alternative and listen to music that no one knows and yes if you only listen to mainstream music you’re being obtuse because most of the interesting and genuinely artistic music is not there. But that means that more generic pop music is bad? I like to listen to Nine Inch Nails or Ministry. It’s fun. I like to sing lame Nin chorus. I like to bang my head and scream “just one fiiixxx” thought I only smoked a couple of joints in my life!!! And, ok, other people have fun with other things like… reaggea for example and I don’t understand why, but if they like it their must be a reason. So I guess if you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s bad. If they do it with passion or skill or both, or if they have naked women on it I think they deserve respect. oh, and I once saw drowning pool, il niño and kitty in a row and I almost vomit. But that means that they suck? I could see the passion there, the kids jumping around… who am I fooling? YES THEY SUCKED!!!
p.s. pardon my english
By golly, Peligro’s right! Melodies and tunes are for teenagers and idiots, being spoon-fed their opinions by corporate entities that exist solely to make money! Why, simply connecting with and enjoying the music of Nine Inch Nails for years I’ve unwittingly become a slave to the MTV/Clearchannel/Disney multimedia machine! It has nothing to do with the subjectivity of personal taste whatsoever!
Thank you sir, for opening my eyes! From now on if it doesn’t sound like someone threw a broken tape recorder into a clothes-dryer, I’m throwing it out!
uh…can we all just get along?
Am I really the first here?
Hemlock.
Edit: after reading your guys comments on Pitbull Daycare, I remember something about Hemlock that was unintentionally fucking hilarious, when the guy would sing while TRYING TO EAT THE MICROPHONE. Not funny in a “he’s cool” way but more like in a funny “hahah what a fucking tool” way.
[reply][reply]he was emo before it existed.
no it existed but it was actually decent music from fugazi to sunny day real estate.[/reply]
He’s right. Emo just morphed from bands like Fugazi into some weird back of the hand on the forehead, arm cutting, elmo-goth [:(][/reply]
Right, I mean Emo as the recent term. The crying and ‘pity me’ lyrics which I always got impatient of with Trent’s lyrics. Teen angst…
The “pity me” aspect of Trent’s lyrics has always annoyed me but I looked past that because he’s so damned good and merging pop and industrial aesthetics. From a lyrical standpoint, I think Trent, from “With Teeth” forward has gotten progressively better. “The Slip” is, IMO, the best NIN album lyrically. Musically it’s darned good too.
I liked “With Teeth” when it came out (after really not liking “The Fragile”) though in retrospect WT isn’t as good as what followed it. I think the last two albums are quite good and I still enjoy the both of them.