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Sean…more of a fan of 81-99 or 03 period of Ministry but really like the 81/82 and 84-88 period the best. have come around to the 83 stuff lately as tastes changed through the years. don’t know if I have a favorite band, my musical taste is all over the map and just depends on what I want to hear at the moment. my avatar is of the Verve’s first record, a psychedelic masterpiece.

Dean’s ok. He’s made his grand entrance, his styling of posts. as a long time member of the forum (going back to when I was a kid in 01 or so ) we’ve seen this before. some people start out aggressive and then calm down and tone down their posts…others start out aggressive and disappear after a while, and some are banned. I can see Dean fitting into the first category.

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Sean…more of a fan of 81-99 or 03 period of Ministry but really like the 81/82 and 84-88 period the best. have come around to the 83 stuff lately as tastes changed through the years. don’t know if I have a favorite band, my musical taste is all over the map and just depends on what I want to hear at the moment. my avatar is of the Verve’s first record, a psychedelic masterpiece.

Dean’s ok. He’s made his grand entrance, his styling of posts. as a long time member of the forum (going back to when I was a kid in 01 or so ) we’ve seen this before. some people start out aggressive and then calm down and tone down their posts…others start out aggressive and disappear after a while, and some are banned. I can see Dean fitting into the first category.

Thnx for the gracious words…I just hope we can all respect each other’s privacy and personal effects.

Be Well [angelic]

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I hear ya man.

some can make the argument that if it’s on Facebook there is no privacy, that all photos are public (yes, even with private accounts so as long as someone on the friends list has access to the pictures) , and that Facebook itself owns all of the material. heck, I don’t have any social networks for those reasons man.

but as owner of the material, I hope your requests are honored.

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I hear ya man.

some can make the argument that if it’s on Facebook there is no privacy, that all photos are public (yes, even with private accounts so as long as someone on the friends list has access to the pictures) , and that Facebook itself owns all of the material. heck, I don’t have any social networks for those reasons man.

but as owner of the material, I hope your requests are honored.

I’m actually conflicted now cuz after Slack posted the links to my stuff with Hatracks (my 1st band when I was 19), I clicked it and now I’m listening to it…that’s funny cuz I can listen to it anytime I want but I haven’t touched the stuff in years so this turned out to be a refreshing surprise…like a happy accident, if ya will.

I guess it just felt fucked up, ya know…that 1st reaction to a stranger handling ur personal effects is distressing & ya just feel naked, ya know. Now the initial shock is gone, I’m listening to these innocent old songs that me & my old mates did sum moons ago…it’s like a bittersweet touching moment, ya know…the sound of my voice back then is forever captured and immortalized on the Internet global highway…it’s a great thing to relish in cuz we grow old and have these incredible fond memories we carry with us along the way…the ilk of our youth, it defines who we become or at least it should…then, I can cherish it the way I do taking the journey back listening to my catalog of music or even watching footage of myself when I was this strapping young lean buck.

It’s ironic cuz while feeling that my privacy was violated I also simultaneously feel grateful…hearing my music again after all dees years, reminds me of how truly blessed I was to have had those amazing moments with so many lovely people.

It’s therapuetic in a way…like a catharsis or just growing pains being mended when ya see how beautiful you were or how wonderful you sounded singing & playing your instruments, etc…

I’ll stop right there cuz I can go on for a good while…the right button got pressed, ya know.

So if Slack takes it down or not…no big whoop, I’m too tickled pink right now to remain ballistic or arbitrary to what happened…I almost feel like thanking Mike Greenfield & Slack actually…classic right?!

Thnx for ur time & good night all [cool][angelic]

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hah! cool man. turning something that was looked at as a negative, into a positive.

hell, free publicity for your old band!

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…fuckin IRON MAIDEN & JUDAS PRIEST rule the earth

This is true.

I think the worst thing about metal is the guido attitude and I call it such cuz the scumbags at metal shows remind me of the machismo indicative of guidos…it’s very tedious and annoying.

That’s partly why I truly and totally hate the fuck outta ministry now

The only time I really saw that was when Pantera played Ozzfest, and it was off the charts. I mostly find that the crowds at the metal shows I go to are completely legit and proper. We like to get rowdy and have fun, but attitude and aggression is really at a minimum.

Just curious . . . Have you actually been to a Ministry show lately? I can complain with the best of them when it comes to the tired setlist, but as for the live performances, they still sound great. And Al looks in better form than ever (at least with respect to the last 15 years).

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[/reply]Just curious . . . Have you actually been to a Ministry show lately? I can complain with the best of them when it comes to the tired setlist, but as for the live performances, they still sound great. And Al looks in better form than ever (at least with respect to the last 15 years).[/reply]

Saw them last for Animositisomina…was a decent show…Al’s voice actually sounded very clean…Angie sang on Bad Blood and that was pretty cool. Nivek Ogre did Burning Inside and Supernaut…real nice surprise! There were some tech problems with mics and so the show was cut short…light pours out of me, Jesus built my Hotrod and other song was cut from setlist due to technical issues w/faulty wiring & PA board, etc

Despite that unfortunate occurrence, it was definitely a solid performance all around & I got to see Paul Barker & Mike Scaccia one last time…good vibes at that show although I wish they did Broken, Lockbox & Impossible…instead, we got Piss, Unsung & Animosity which wasn’t bad but I feel that album has better songs.

Seems to always be the case with Uncle Lazy-boy [laugh][laugh]

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I think that album, Animositisomina, is one of my least favorite ones actually. I’m sorry I missed the tour though (only one I’ve missed since Psalm69). The only reason I ever put the CD in my car is to listen to “Shove”. That track alone is worth it.

My personal scores (oversimplified):

With Sympathy: Total Crap (except “Revenge”)
12" Singles: Boring
Twitch: Great
LORAH: Great, but I don’t even bother owning it.
TMIATTTT: Same as LORAH (explained later)
ICYDFLSU: BEST EVER (ruined “Rape” and “Mind” for me)
Psalm 69: Great
Filth Pig: Superb
Dark Side of the Spoon: Great
Animositisomina: Mostly junk with a few amazing tracks.
Houses of the Mole: Great
Rio Grande Blood: Does nothing for me.
Last Sucker: Blecchhh. Lame but sorta listenable.
RELAPSE: Awesome! I love it (someone has to)
FBTE: Decent

Ministry is huge for me. They’ve been a massive part of my life. Not just the music, but the whole attitude and atmosphere. Over the past 10 years I’ve found the music has been far less important to me than the experiences that have been a result of following the band. I’ve met so many amazing people from these boards and the memories I have from meet ups and concerts are priceless.

I still go to to the shows. I expect to the enjoy the show, but I’m always more excited about partying with people I’ve made friends with over the past 25 years.

Even if Al just rolled out in a wheelchair to lip sync Senor Peligro in front of another stupid George Bush backdrop, I’d still probably go.

I’m as critical as the next guy of things I don’t like, but ultimately I’m a huge fan and I don’t just cash it all in because of the rough patches. It just gives me something else to bitch at when drinking beer before the shows.

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I think Animositisomnia is an awesome record, but it does have a few weak moments (Impossible and Stolen immediately come to mind). I missed that tour too.

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Cool…

I am only disenchanted with the current line-up and the last 2 records…I enjoy the bush trilogy and prefer the Barker years but my true love is synth-pop Al.

He’s a spoiled baby who is never satisfied with anything cuz he doesn’t know the true meaning of pain or suffering. But ur right, enuff of this cocksucker, I’m spent now but I wanna delve into other topics and share my views about stuff…talk about my hobbies, maybe meet my future wife although I suspect it’s mostly dudes in here.

I feel like an oddball cuz I’m definitely not a metal dude…I have various kinds of metal in my collection but I solely pride myself on post punk joy division era music & early grunge and sappy nuwave and Morrissey and Echo & the Bunnymen…I live for alternative stuff that was the underground music scene before it streamlined into nirvana and green day granted those guys are still awesum too…

I even like stuff that is totally pop like Katy perry or Madonna…the b52s and culture club, air supply or Reo speedwagon & yet I can groove to the grind of cradle of filth or Cannibal corpse and dimmu Burgir…fuckin IRON MAIDEN & JUDAS PRIEST rule the earth and I don’t have to elaborate how much I adore NIN…skinny puppy is hit or miss but garage rock like oasis and white stripes and weezer is too fun to pass up…so much great music yet so lil time to absorb it all.

I think the worst thing about metal is the guido attitude and I call it such cuz the scumbags at metal shows remind me of the machismo indicative of guidos…it’s very tedious and annoying.

That’s partly why I truly and totally hate the fuck outta ministry now

Okay, I gotta have dinner…peace out BRUTHA [angelic][angelic][angelic]

homo

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I’m Alex.
Did y’all see “Better Call Saul” the other night? There was a great Repo Man reference in it.

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[/reply]Just curious . . . Have you actually been to a Ministry show lately? I can complain with the best of them when it comes to the tired setlist, but as for the live performances, they still sound great. And Al looks in better form than ever (at least with respect to the last 15 years).

Saw them last for Animositisomina…was a decent show…Al’s voice actually sounded very clean…Angie sang on Bad Blood and that was pretty cool. Nivek Ogre did Burning Inside and Supernaut…real nice surprise! There were some tech problems with mics and so the show was cut short…light pours out of me, Jesus built my Hotrod and other song was cut from setlist due to technical issues w/faulty wiring & PA board, etc

Despite that unfortunate occurrence, it was definitely a solid performance all around & I got to see Paul Barker & Mike Scaccia one last time…good vibes at that show although I wish they did Broken, Lockbox & Impossible…instead, we got Piss, Unsung & Animosity which wasn’t bad but I feel that album has better songs.

Seems to always be the case with Uncle Lazy-boy [laugh][laugh][/reply]

was that the NYC show? I was there too! so far it’s the only time I’ve seen Ministry (even though I’m not a fan of the recent material I do hope to see them this time around )

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I’m Alex.
Did y’all see “Better Call Saul” the other night? There was a great Repo Man reference in it.

His monologue at the bingo parlor was pure gold…

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[/reply]was that the NYC show? I was there too! so far it’s the only time I’ve seen Ministry (even though I’m not a fan of the recent material I do hope to see them this time around )[/reply]

Yep, how was it for you? Lotsa college kids there and alternative types like goths & city freaks which was nice to see a good mix of people…there were sum metal heads too but not anywhere near what they attract now demographic wise…Angie really got in there Sharon Osbourne style and got Al to focus the music in a more linear direction so to hone in on the metal genre cuz there’s more money in it…being a college band or appealing to the eccentric alternative crowds is sporadic and less profitable.

Although many of us complain about 99%rs and these last 2 albums sucking ass, Ministry is a staple in the pigeon hole that Angie prepped her ex-husband to focus on so Al can always do a ministry tour until he drops dead for the next 2 decades or so and can always fill up a small venue across the world thus making a net of few million bucks for each tour.

He will never be multi-millionaire rich but he’ll always be comfortable just as long that he growls into his microphone. Oddly enuff, it seems that more people enjoy vox-vomit than his actual good music of prior when he sang beautifully or at least artistically (Avante Garde style & such)

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It was a great show! only my 2nd ever concert. I was a senior in high school, went with a friend, my older cousin who had gotten me into Ministry (he got into them in 92 ) and someone I knew from a NIN message board. I was up front and center. There was a scary looking dude who looked like Hillbilly Jim behind me crushing me against the barricade all night.

recently was just talking to my cousin about the show. we were saying how much fun it was, and he remembers it to this day. even with the sound issues here and there they sounded great.

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It was a great show! only my 2nd ever concert. I was a senior in high school, went with a friend, my older cousin who had gotten me into Ministry (he got into them in 92 ) and someone I knew from a NIN message board. I was up front and center. There was a scary looking dude who looked like Hillbilly Jim behind me crushing me against the barricade all night.

recently was just talking to my cousin about the show. we were saying how much fun it was, and he remembers it to this day. even with the sound issues here and there they sounded great.

Do you remember when Al decked the sound tech kid …he pushed the kid so hard that he went flying across the stage…that was during burning inside with Nivek Ogre.

Felt bad for that poor kid…he couldn’t have been more than like 22 years old…I’m sure none of the sound/equipment issues were his fault…that’s Uncle Fucknut for ya, always ready to pass the buck [crazy]

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I do remember that…I couldn’t stop laughing! I also remember Max jumping from the stage and into the crowd, almost took my head off!

I also happened to be at the Skinny Puppy show at Irving Plaza when Al came on stage for Tin Omen. I was up in the balcony for that one, and before the show Al and Ogre walked right past me, I was totally star struck at the time.

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I think that album, Animositisomina, is one of my least favorite ones actually. I’m sorry I missed the tour though (only one I’ve missed since Psalm69). The only reason I ever put the CD in my car is to listen to “Shove”. That track alone is worth it.

My personal scores (oversimplified):

With Sympathy: Total Crap (except “Revenge”)
12" Singles: Boring
Twitch: Great
LORAH: Great, but I don’t even bother owning it.
TMIATTTT: Same as LORAH (explained later)
ICYDFLSU: BEST EVER (ruined “Rape” and “Mind” for me)
Psalm 69: Great
Filth Pig: Superb
Dark Side of the Spoon: Great
Animositisomina: Mostly junk with a few amazing tracks.
Houses of the Mole: Great
Rio Grande Blood: Does nothing for me.
Last Sucker: Blecchhh. Lame but sorta listenable.
RELAPSE: Awesome! I love it (someone has to)
FBTE: Decent

Gonna give this a shot:

With Sympathy - masterpiece
12" Singles Compilation - absolute treasure
Twitch - Avante Garde Classic
LORAH - magnum opus
Mind is Terrible… - tour de force
In Case You Didn’t… - Blissful Carnage
Psalm 69 - Blockbuster
Filth Pig - Cult Classic
Dark Side Of Spoon - Modest Jewel
Greatest Fits - well done (but where’s Flashback, Over The Shoulder, Burning Inside & Breathe?)
Animositisomina - sporadic puissance yet dull & sterile @Xs
SphincTour - uniquely massive yet esoteric euphoria
Houses of the Mole - marvelous lucidity except Waiting<boring crap.
Rantalogy - vivacious fun
Rio Grande Blood - pinnacle of dexterity (slayer was finally slayed)
The Last Sucker - contrived & total waste of time
Adios Puta Madres - unforgivably disgusting & they sound like shit too
Relapse - repulsive abomination…worst album ever
From Beer To Eternity - trite & tacky…even worse than ever except last 3 songs (lesson unlearned, change of luck, thnx but no thnx r nice gems)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
(a “25 to life” prison term is mandatory for when albums are as bad as The Last Sucker, Adios Puta Madres, Relapse & FBTE)

[pirate][angelic][pirate][angelic][pirate][angelic][shocked][shocked][cool][:P]

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Here’s mine:

With Sympathy-Good album, but not an accurate representation of the band at this point.
Twelve Inch Singles/Trax Box-Ministry’s best work, IMO.
Twitch-One of my favorites…a great transitional album from synth pop to their harder sound.
Land of Rape and Honey-My favorite outside of the Wax Trax era. Very innovative, a first of it’s kind.
Mind Is A Terrible Thing To Taste- The start of their modern sound. The tracks are solid and have some one of kind moments…such as Test and Dream Song.

For me, the 80s period is by far the best. Al and Co. weren’t afraid to try new sounds and the songwriting and performance is top notch. The 90s era is inferior, but still has some great moments.

Psalm 69-Good album, maybe their catchiest/most accessible. To me it’s a MIATTTT 2.0, so it’s not as innovative.
Filth Pig-Probably my favorite from the 90s period. It reminds me of early Ministry, with the guitars and synths switching roles.
Dark Side Of The Spoon-I like the experimental aspects of it. Still feels that its missing something, but I do like it better than anything that came after it.
Animositisomina-Not bad. You can tell Paul and Al are exhausted with ideas at this point. Nothing new, but I do like some of the clean vocals and nods to the early Blackouts sound.

I do enjoy the later albums, but I probably wouldn’t have given them a chance if they weren’t Ministry. The Bush Trilogy has some great tracks, but three albums in the same vein makes it a bit boring and redundant. Relapse is actually the gem of the newer albums (sans the lyrics). From Beer To Eternity is really hit and miss. I like the opening track and the last few.

For me, it’s 80s Ministry all the way.

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^ I pretty much agree with RDM. though I really like Dark Side of the Spoon too.