does anyone have any information about it? lyrically it seems surprisingly maudlin. clearly Al didnt write the lyrics (alone), not to say i dont like his lyrics… just… it has an almost Chris Connelly sound, but self-loathing and very defeatist. but i was wondering if there are any stories surrounding it, opinions on it, or anything of the likes.
i just cant stop playing it.
i was watching the sphinctour DVD and i noticed that Paul switched over to the keys to play it live. i thought that was kinda cool.
Other than the song originally coming from a song he did with Ogre? Not really. Not sure if it’s the same lyrics or not (can’t remember. lazy), but the music is identical. Al just recycled the music and probably just put new lyrics and vocals to it.
Other than the song originally coming from a song he did with Ogre? Not really. Not sure if it’s the same lyrics or not (can’t remember. lazy), but the music is identical. Al just recycled the music and probably just put new lyrics and vocals to it.
Wasn’t the the descending piano added as well?
The wife uses it in her poetry unit for her Juniors. She deconstructs the lyrics as the Fall of mankind.
I think it has more to do with how we build ourselves up at the expense of others only to be toppled by someone else at any time which makes our lives kinda pathetic .
but yeah. The Fall is a fantastic song and is probably in my top 5 of all time.
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It’s definitely not the same lyrics as the original WELT version. Pretty sure Al did write the lyrics, it sounds like his style (it reminds me a lot of “Better Ways/Apathy” and “World” all Al penned tracks).
It’s definitely not the same lyrics as the original WELT version. Pretty sure Al did write the lyrics, it sounds like his style (it reminds me a lot of “Better Ways/Apathy” and “World” all Al penned tracks).
it does sound a lot like World, which is actually my fave song from the bush trilogy…
there is a real feeling of desperation and sadness in the song that i wouldnt have attributed to Al.
the feeling i get from it is that it is about a man who is too proud to ever say sorry and just pushes forward always trying to show themselves and the people who have left him that he doesnt need them and that he can do it all alone… but he knows he cant.
now, that may be my own interpretation stemming from the way i look at things, but knowing that Al wrote the lyrics… i dont know… it really gives a tragic spin on the fall out of his relationship with Paul.
i was watching the sphinctour DVD and i noticed that Paul switched over to the keys to play it live. i thought that was kinda cool.
well, of course! the song has deep synth bass! i wouldn’t be surprised if there are several layers of it. the bass on live version is enormous. those who were at sphinctour live shows said that the fall live had “devastating!” bass.
The “original” WELT song (“Noreen”, if I recall correctly) is a big boring pile of crap.
They added a BUNCH of stuff to it, including the synth and the lyrics. The keyboards on that song just drill right into the heart and put my hairs on end.
“The Fall” is one of those rare Ministry songs that sounds better in the live recordings than in the studio, which is really weird, because of all the tracks on Filth Pig, that’s definitely the one with the most industrial elements on it.
According to Wikipeda - and I’m not sure where they got their info - the music was co-written with Michael Balch and is the only song on Filth Pig without a Paul Barker writing credit.
It also confirms my belief that Al’s best lyrics are always written from a personal rather than political perspective.
According to Wikipeda - and I’m not sure where they got their info - the music was co-written with Michael Balch and is the only song on Filth Pig without a Paul Barker writing credit.
It also confirms my belief that Al’s best lyrics are always written from a personal rather than political perspective.
Yeah Michael Balch was in Ministry around that time period as part of the touring crew on the Mind tour, and as the keyboard player on the BS&Q tour. Michael co-wrote a few songs on Psalm 69 as well. He’d left Front Line Assembly at this point, and was to be part of WELT which was Al, Ogre, and him. Of course that all fell apart for whatever reasons.
The Fall definitely improved on the original, that cascading piano is one of my all time favorite Ministry moments.
The Fall is one of my favorites. But I have faith that, with the right amount of time and polish, the Welt version of Noreen would’ve been a great track. As it is it sounds a bit like an unfocused version of Knowhere off Last Rights. But I love Knowhere and I really loved Ogre’s work in Revolting Cocks so I always wished that Welt project would’ve materialized beyond that one track. Ho hum!