Bullshit it’s true. Holy Wood is excellent. Then he became a fucking drunken, pussywhipped, moron. That album has balls and heart. It’s basically ACSS and MA’s lovechild.
Totally agree with Holywood.
To go ahead and add to the chaos. . .
I think Golden Age is his best. Followed by Mechanical Animals and Ho lywood.
All the rest suck.
Bullshit it’s true. Holy Wood is excellent. Then he became a fucking drunken, pussywhipped, moron. That album has balls and heart. It’s basically ACSS and MA’s lovechild.
Haha, how is this another MM thread? A couple people are discussing Manson’s shit albums. Bound to come up on a Ministry forum.
I think Golden Age is his best.
It’s about time someone else gave this album some love.
Followed by Mechanical Animals
I’d have it the other way around with Portrait at a close third.
[reply]I think Golden Age is his best.
It’s about time someone else gave this album some love.
Followed by Mechanical Animals
I’d have it the other way around with Portrait at a close third.[/reply]
BLASPHEMY!!! REPENT! GAOG is pure shit and MA is a masterpiece. Come on, man.
To each their own… I guess… pffft…
[reply]Bullshit it’s true. Holy Wood is excellent. Then he became a fucking drunken, pussywhipped, moron. That album has balls and heart. It’s basically ACSS and MA’s lovechild.
Haha, how is this another MM thread? A couple people are discussing Manson’s shit albums. Bound to come up on a Ministry forum.[/reply]
Because it’s actually turned in to a Manson thread…I don’t really give a shit,just bustin balls…
Um yeah. I thought there was supposed to be NO Marilyn Manson in this thread.
Because…with all the head-scratchingly baffling fanboy love for the douche…it seems the mere mention of his name causes a frenzy of posting and suddenly, hey presto, you got yourself a Marilyn Manson thread.
To end the argument once and for all:
All of his albums are gay.
The end.
I’m actually proud this has turned into a Manson thread. Peligro will be butthurt. At least I actually listed 10 albums…
Oh and ‘Golden Age of Grotesque’ was the last good album Manson did, even if it gets overly repetitive.
It was actually a change of pace in many ways and the last one that sounded modern when it came out.
When all these other retards were doing anti-Bush albums, Manson approached that in a more clever way by referencing Weimar Republic 1930s Germany.
And the visuals were fresh, even though I agree the music should have reflected the theme more.
Atom, I don’t get the hate…the lyrics are supposed to be “dumb” he was actually trying his hand at Nu Metal in an ironic way.
Whatever we’re not going to agree on this obviously, you have your opinions and I have mine clearly but the common consensus anywhere including the charts is that this was his last decent album.
If you think ‘Eat Me Drink Me’ was more inspired (especially lyrically) you must have been in the midst of a breakup and feeling especially emo when it was released.
Mechanical Animals his best, ACSS second, Holywood third and Portrait honorable listen (not counting smells like children in this list cause there’s only like 4 songs on that cd )
everything else is < Portrait so it doesn’t mater.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Oh, and the DVD that came with it, “Doppelherz”, is so unintentionally hilarious. It’s Manson drunkenly rambling over the intro from the album on repeat and making dumb puns over some “artsy” and “shocking” bullshit imagery for like 30 minutes.
haha, thank you for reminding me of the precious minutes i spent watching that rubbish when it came out. I was genuinely interested in seeing what he’d come up with, but (oh how unpredictable!) it was just Brian trying yet again to shock us. More shite for the bin from Manson. I loved everything up to Holy Wood, and i didn’t mind this album, but everything he did afterwards was unforgivable garbage of the lowest calibre.
Wow. How’d this turn into the Manson thread? Did Peligro do this intentionally as some reverse-psychology thing or something?
I guess he actually made good on that promise to start an even nerdier thread than the “Teenage Punk Stole Mah Brewski” thread.
Wow. How’d this turn into the Manson thread? Did Peligro do this intentionally as some reverse-psychology thing or something?
I guess he actually made good on that promise to start an even nerdier thread than the “Teenage Punk Stole Mah Brewski” thread.
What u sayin’ on this Manson being da nerdy one?
Man, Manson music he dad shiznit, homie. Going bam bam bam and shit. Fuck he got da bling to pull dat shit, Snigz.
Ma man Manson going all da way wiv da Golden Ages and da Animals wat is da Mechanical.
Shit, ma punk ass be crippled, bitch.
He ma man dat Manson…all da homies rock dat shit, Snigz.
Goin’ yeah yeah yeah.
Totally. That’s the Patron Saint of Punk Rock we’re talkin’ 'bout, Son!!!
Another way to put this might be: biggest disappointments, crappy albums from bands you like or used to like anyways. Here are mine:
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bowie - never let me down… the low point of his career by far. People like to slag tin machine, but that was the road to recovery for his creativity. Bowie himself calls this album his creative nadir. Speaking about this time period in an interview in the 90s he said he was paying a huge stadium concert and he looked out into the audience and realized that it wasn’t his audience there anymore… it was Phil Collins’ audience!
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the cure - 4:13 dream… this was a real let down especially after the previous 2 albums, which I liked a lot. And it was hyped so much with the huge string of singles that led up to it, but when it arrived it was a pretty uninspiring album, worse than wild mood swings.
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pink floyd - the division bell… like momentary lapse of reason, floyd without waters’ snark and misanthropy, not to mention his songwriting, isn’t the same thing.
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rammstein - liebe ist fuer alle da… after being out of the studio so long (rosenrot was recorded at the same time as rise rise) this is what they come back with? they seem like a spent force creatively.
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marilyn manson - high end of low/eat me drink me… does this need an explanation?
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tool - lateralus… I was never sure why everyone liked this album so much. I found it really boring. I would also add to this every a perfect circle album. I liked them when they came out but they had no staying power for me… all surface, not enough substance. There are some albums that get better with each listen… others get worse, or, as in this case, you just lose interest.
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NIN - with teeth… he hilarious thing about this album is the big deal he made about using a live drummer… but the drums on this album are just about the most wooden and soulless thing you can hear.
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revco - cocked and loaded… do I even need to bother mentioning this?
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KMFDM - tohuvabohu… just terrible… one of the laziest things I’ve heard… did they put any effort into this whatsoever?
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ministry - the last sucker… what I heard of relapse sounded even worse, but as the rules of the game include having to have listened to it all the way through, this wins it.
I would also have listed KMFDM’s blitz as well, which was the last album of theirs I listened to all the way through, but it seemed silly to put one band up more than once. Ditto for ministry’s RGB, which, though better than the last sucker, was still pretty solidly disappointing.
I could also add st. anger, but I was already over metalica when I heard it, so it seems unfair… it’s not like I was really disappointed or surprised… just confirmed.
As with some of the others above, I also liked the last type o negative album. I’ve liked each one (my favourite being world coming down) - always felt like a TON album was money well spent.
That was harder than I anticipated! I started down from 10 and up from 1, but had a hard time coming up with the middle choices. and with some bands I had too many choices…
There are some bands that have never let me down (oh bowie), like Neubauten and Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. We had a thread about that ages ago.
Totally agreed on KMFDM, i just can’t even listen to them now. I’d actually forgotten about Tohuvabohu, which is the last one i bought. I can’t believe that’s 6 years ago. It was absolutely inessential to say the least, and i don’t think i even managed to get all the way through any of their terrible albums since. I did download them, but deleted them again straight away, no imagination, stale, boring rubbish.
The Cure - Wild Mood Swings
Metallica/Lou Reed - Lulu
Revco - Cocked and Loaded
Marilyn Manson - Eat Me, Drink Me (THEOL was slightly better).
Smashing Pumpkins - Zeitgeist
Skinny Puppy - Mythmaker
Tool - 10, 000 Days
Pearl Jam - Vitalogy. I was a big fan of the first two albums when they came out. This did nothing for me and I sold it to my roommate.
Kate Bush - Director’s Cut. Slow, boring re-recordings of stuff from her '90s albums. Utterly pointless.
Black Sabbath - Technical Ecstasy. Why play the genre you helped invent when you could do generic '70s arena rock?
Metallica - Load. It’s a load, alright.
Gary Numan - I don’t remember which record it was, but it was around '84 and he started using jazzy fretless bass. Dude didn’t get his mojo back for another 10 years.
Moby - Animal Rights. WTF is this shit?
Moby - Animal Rights. WTF is this shit?
Man, that’s the one Moby record I like.
I mean: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0v9a-x45gw&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I wish I could find the clip of when he played that song on Viva Variety. I remember seeing that episode when it was new in college, back to back with the one that Cibo Mat to was on. Good times. There’s some other good songs on there, that Someone To Love song is pretty cool, and some of the ambient tracks are interesting. But TWIRFMR is enough to carry the whole damn disc IMO.
I never heard the b side of that single before today, it’s a “death metal” (not really) version of Devo’s Whip It (warning, fidelity on this video is awful): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FdCX6WKQeY&feature=youtube_gdata_player
That being said, overall not a big Moby fan.
These are just off the top of my head, I haven’t scanned my library to look or I am sure I would have some worse offenders (I guess I am doing more of the “biggest let down” thing than the "worst ever " thing), but here’s a few:
Tomahawk - Anonymous
Know I have said this before, it was a great idea playing off the name of the band and doing Native American songs, but it falls way flat for me. After two concise, coherent, dare I say classic records, all the heynananaheyyyahhnananaheyyahahanaho was kind of a let down. I’m not altogether opposed to gibberish coming out of Mike’s mouth, flying spaghetti monster knows I’ve bought enough of that, but that’s not what I want from THAT project. Haven’t given the latest one a serious listen yet, but the bits that have come up on random haven’t really grabbed me either.
Bloc Party - A Weekend In The City
I think even they know by now that they are never going to top their first record, Silent Alarm, which is still high on my list of top records from the last ten years. This one was so bland and flaccid, the b-sides record for this one is miles better. Utterly forgettable failed attempt to retread the sound of their debut. The third one was at least interesting for the amount of experimentation and weird arrangements, like they were trying really hard to turn it around from the second. The newest one isn’t the most original thing around, but it sounds and feels like they found their balls again. Good for them.
Die Warzau - Convenience
Engine was sooooo one of the very best records ever made, then they make us wait nine years for this lukewarm platter. I ain’t mad at 'em, I just know they can do better.
Pigface - 6
Utterly unforgivable. Fuck this shit. And I fucking love me some prime juicy Pigface. I was already on the fence about fully half of Easy Listening For Difficult Fuckheads (full of second rate talent like the chick from Kitty and the guy from Stabbing Westward, not to mention the filler spoken word and remixes of Dope songs), but this is just hands down the worst, even with all the old favorites on board. They should all do the slow walk with the sad Charlie Brown music. I hope to fuck Martin’s really gonna keep the fork stuck in it.
I wish I could find the clip of when he played that song on Viva Variety. I remember seeing that episode when it was new in college, back to back with the one that Cibo Mat to was on. Good times.
“Can I say pig fucker?”
“No Johnny, but I wish you could.”