I do like “Junior Dad” from the LULU album a lot though, I admit it. It seems to succeed in what it was going for - unlike the rest of the album. It’s sad, hits deep, and does a great job of bringing up the emotions and feelings of having a shitty father who was never around while growing up and when he was it was never positive and the fear, while getting older, that you’ve become him or are closer to becoming him with every birthday. Because that sort of “father son relationship” is all you know. It’s good and seems genuine in it’s words. Music is real nice too.
Then again I am one of those faggots that likes their mid to late 90s stuff like Load and ReLoad and Garage Inc.. Damn, I even like their S&M album a lot. It’s better than the shit that came after it and certainly seemed more sincere.
i really dug Junior Dad. but again, i dug that whole album. they did pick the least interesting song off the whole thing for a single though. that was disappointing. and i actually loved S&M and Garage Inc. im ALWAYS down for a band covering ‘Free Speach…’ haha. and the two new songs on S&M were pretty solid. i particularly loved No Leaf Clover.
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I do like “Junior Dad” from the LULU album a lot though, I admit it. It seems to succeed in what it was going for - unlike the rest of the album. It’s sad, hits deep, and does a great job of bringing up the emotions and feelings of having a shitty father who was never around while growing up and when he was it was never positive and the fear, while getting older, that you’ve become him or are closer to becoming him with every birthday. Because that sort of “father son relationship” is all you know. It’s good and seems genuine in it’s words. Music is real nice too.
Then again I am one of those faggots that likes their mid to late 90s stuff like Load and ReLoad and Garage Inc.. Damn, I even like their S&M album a lot. It’s better than the shit that came after it and certainly seemed more sincere.
i really dug Junior Dad. but again, i dug that whole album. they did pick the least interesting song off the whole thing for a single though. that was disappointing. and i actually loved S&M and Garage Inc. im ALWAYS down for a band covering ‘Free Speach…’ haha. and the two new songs on S&M were pretty solid. i particularly loved No Leaf Clover.[/reply]
Couldn’t get into the full album because it seemed shallow and cheesy. “Junior Dad” hit the mark that whole album seemed to be trying to make. When I heard it I thought that that was how the album should have been like (ironically it’s the last song too). Cut the pseudo-intellectual, hippie rambling nonsense over pseudo-metal bullshit. Just make it honest and deep and sad and have Lou rasp and ramble his sad nonsense over some sad music. It works better for what it is at least. Whereas the album as a whole doesn’t work well at all. But “Junior Dad” is a fucking winner. Definitely. Music and lyrics/words come together and more importantly they work well together.
If the Lulu album had James singing instead of Lou it might be one of my favorite things ever. But Lou opens up his wrinkly face hole and wrecks everything. There’s actually some really cool and aggressive grooves on the album, but it’s impossible to enjoy because Old Man Lou is screaming 'dry and spermless . . . Like a GIRL!!"
I would love to hear 'Tallica jam some of those tracks live after Lou drops dead next month.
Couldn’t get into the full album because it seemed shallow and cheesy. “Junior Dad” hit the mark that whole album seemed to be trying to make. When I heard it I thought that that was how the album should have been like (ironically it’s the last song too). Cut the pseudo-intellectual, hippie rambling nonsense over pseudo-metal bullshit. Just make it honest and deep and sad and have Lou rasp and ramble his sad nonsense over some sad music. It works better for what it is at least. Whereas the album as a whole doesn’t work well at all. But “Junior Dad” is a fucking winner. Definitely. Music and lyrics/words come together and more importantly they work well together.
Yeah, no, i agree in a way. Junior Dad is the most… actualized of the songs. and from what i have read, i think it is the closest to what Lou actually had planned before they began recording.
from what James has said, Lou showed up with a bunch of ambient and melodic pieces set to his poetry and from that Metallica concocted the songs we hear. so, not to be presumptuous or anything Atom, but you should check out some of Reed’s other work (if you havent) becaus eif you dug that song the most, you will most likely be allover some of his later offerings.
his album The Raven is fucking brilliant. and it has some Bowie on it!
and yeah, Gunn i can see where you are coming from. i like the rambling style, but i DO understand when people just cant dig into it. there really are some HUGE and monolithic grooves and riffs in the album, if you move past Lou’s voice. haha.
He did say some time. Doesn’t necessarily mean Black Album.
I guess it depends on how one defines “credibility”.
Every hardcore Metallica purist knows that you take the holy oath on the stack of “first four records”, but after that I think it’s a mixed bag for anyone. I don’t think making a few commercially-accessible albums or choosing to take an unpopular (well, it was unpopular at the time, that’s for sure) stance on illegal downloading necessarily erases a band’s “credibility”.
I’ve grown to appreciate a good portion of the Load/ReLoad albums. I still hate St. Anger. And I think Death Magnetic is GREAT. There were other scattered things spread throughout that time too . . . Garage, Inc. (I think it rules) S&M (I’ve not listened to it for a billion years so I’m not sure).
I have NEVER owned the Black Album. It’s just not a priority for me. I don’t hate it. I just don’t really connect with it too much. If I ever find a copy for cheap (like Load/ReLoad that I got for a buck each) I’ll pick it up.
Anyway . . . enough babble for now . . . one constant that remains no matter how crappy or hateable any current album or project may be, one thing that remains constant throughout Metallica’s entire career is that when they play LIVE they are absolutely untouchable. Even the crappy songs sound immense and awesome when they do 'em live (the St. Anger tracks in 2003, for instance). And (unlike a certain unnamed band which rhymes with Finistry) when they do multiple shows or a tour they CHANGE THE SET LIST all the time. They do a bunch of different songs, so if you see them on Thursday night and come back on Friday night, you don’t feel you got the exact same product. There’s a value in seeing multiple shows.
Heck, in 2008 I saw Ministry do the exact same gig 3 times. HAHA!!! Autopilot. Cruise control. Thanks, Al.
Yeah, Metallica do a lot of goofy projects and silly stuff. But that’s okay by me. At least they’re doing SOMETHING new and different and taking risks, no matter how miserably they may fail at it.
This is true. I have seen them live on four occasions (1989, 1993, 1998, 2008) and each concert was more than I bargained for. Since The Black Album (which I personally really like, apart from the silly Enter Sandman) their releases have been patchy at best but live they generally deliver. In fact if anything they were better in 2008 than in 1989 for me. I remember the last gig they did a killer rendition of My Friend Of Misery which is one of favorite Metallica tracks. When those first few bass lines were played the freakin’ hair on the back of my neck stood up.
I like their stuff before the Black Album and I like a lot of their stuff after. The only albums I genuinely do not give a crap about are St. Anger and after. I’d rather them make music they wanna make instead of trying to sound heavy again or please the group of people who still, after all of these years, wants another album that sounds like something pre- Bob Rock.
It’s been years and fucking years! You got what you wanted and it sounded insincere and half-assed (and the production was fucking abysmal).
Metallica’s sometime after Bob Rock came a knockin’.
while i disagree with the metallica comment, just because i think that it was never a loss of credibility as much as ‘interest in thrash’ or ‘interest in the underground’, i take issue with your Lou Reed comment.
Lou Reed has been a brilliant songwriter, both int he experimental and strange genres and in the pop, rock, and more conventional genres for his whole career. his Bowie-Era albums are all classic and beautifully constructed. and Metal Machine Music is actually some of the most truly ‘industrial’ music this side of TG or Coil.
I certainly wouldn’t pay more than a few bucks for a DVD of it, but I saw it in the theatre with the 3D and everything and IT WAS AWESOME. I was pretty musch right about my guess regarding the structure. The “movie” aspect of it ain’t much. It is basically a concert film with some high-concept visuals and a vague, somewhat metaphorical “story” thrown around it as garnishment.
If you like Metallica, you’ll like the film (though it would certainly lose impact on small screen).
If you’re Peligro you’ll hate it.
If you’re neither Peligro nor a Metallica fan, you can at least get some amusement over him spending 40 bucks for something he knew he’d hate.