Why all the hate? I saw this movie on Sunday and thought it was great. As a matter of fact im going to watch it again today. I think people are hating on it because its trendy to do so. Anybody else see it?
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I saw the film and liked it. I thought it was better than âThe Last Jedi.â Some genuine jaw-dropping moments that took me by surprise.
Iâve seen it twice. I really liked it too.
I didnât like it. It only reinforced for me the things I didnât like about this trilogy to begin with: huge plot holes, forgettable characters, ridiculous coincidences. Yeah, I know, the original trilogy was full of these things, too, but it had heart.
I donât care about Rey, Finn, or Poe. They just didnât do it for me. I dunno⌠I just turned 44. Maybe Iâm just outgrowing this stuff. Iâm done with the Marvel movies, too, ever since they announced you need to watch the Disney+ TV shows to understand the upcoming movies. Iâd rather read a book.
Get off my lawn.
What plot holes? IâVe watched it twice now and i dont see any plot holes. As far as not caring about the characters iâVe always kinda felt that way about Poe but Ray and Fin have always been solid. And theyâve both progressed as characters through out all three movies. Poe was exceptionally better this film but i can feel your character gripe about Poe in the first two. But as far as the new characters i think the original cast handed it off to the new cast very well. I turn 44 in feb. but im still digging the star wars universe. Never really got into the marvel universe but ive got a 9 year old and a 4 year old so disney+ was a forgone conclusion in my household so all the tie ins will be viewed. Mandalorian was ok i think it got more hype than it deserved but it was by no means bad.
I know this sounds like a cop-out, but the movie was so unmemorable for me that the only significant plot hole I can remember (at the moment) was (SPOILER) Hux as the spy. That shitty ginger strutted and preened like King Hitler Youth for the last two movies and NOW heâs a spy?!
Iâm sure Iâll remember more, and to keep my boomer credibility intact, Iâll post them here once they come to me.
I donât dislike Rey/Poe/Finn, I just didnât really feel much of anything for them. The opposite of love isnât hate, itâs indifference, and thatâs how I felt about them. The truth is, I was really hoping for more adventures of Luke, Leia, and Han, not your typical pass-the-torch kinda thing. But thatâs been a gripe of mine ever since âThe Force Awakensâ came out, so it only tangentially influenced my opinion of âRise of Skywalker.â
I only saw the first episode of the Mandalorian (I donât have Disney+, so I rely on friends to watch streaming services). I liked it. Jon Favreau does the monkey trick very well. And even my stone-cold blackened heart melts a little every time I see Baby Yoda.
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Yeah, thatâs not actually a plot hole. Thatâs a story beat that you donât care for. Hereâs a funny video that went around a few months ago regarding people complaining about plot holes.
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At 44 youâre not a boomer, bro! Youre a gen Xr!!! Welcome fellow apathetic soldier.
SPOILER!!!
I think hux as the spy is totally believable (actually predictable) like you said he strutted around like king hitler youth for the first 1 1/2 movies until kylo killed Snoke and made hux his bitch. Hux even tells fin, i dont care who wins. i just need kylo to lose!! For a dude that pompous to be stripped of his power and humiliated by kylo. Pride has totally taken over.
Yeah i liked the characters because they definitely had a lot of character development from force awakens to rise. Even Kyloâs character grew on me. He went from this emo kid mad at his parents to a respectable hero/leader type. And not just cause he switched sides.
I think it was a forgone conclusion that luke han and lea werent really gonna be in these. Their story has been told. They were there to usher in the new peeps and conclude the story. I totally get that the new characters arent nearly as loved as the original but they certainly arent without their own charm.
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Gen Xr, boomer, etc⌠stay off my lawn. 
In retrospect, after reading your Hux comments, I grudgingly agree. You make some very good points. (Bet you never thought youâd hear THAT on the Internet.)
I dunno. The movie just didnât do anything for me. The whole trilogy feels like a colossal (albeit well-written) cash grab. I also felt the series suffered from a lack of truly evil villains. Snoke was kinda one-dimensional, and you could see Kyloâs redemption coming from a mile away. Bringing back the Emperor this late in the game also felt like a bit of a cheat.
Bleh.
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I thought the whole Sith planet (Exegol?) and Palpatine fortress was straight out of the Alien and Prometheus movies.
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I saw it and thought it was an entertaining and yet pretty bad movie.
On the plus side I thought itâs humor was the best of the new movies. I liked the planet of space yoga people. C3p0 was fucking awesome!
Oh the minus it felt like Star Tours: The Movie, more than Star Wars. It would introduce a set piece and then play like a video game run through. I didnât like JJ using a dark blue filter over everything. I didnât find any of the action terribly exciting. There wasnât enough downtime for the characters to hang out ( the moments of the main three together were the most interesting in the movie for me).
Mostly however I thought it dropped the ball on the themes of The Last Jedi that I found actually interesting. I also thought Kyloâs redemptive arc was completely lame. I also thought Rey taking the Skywalker name didnât land, it would have been more interesting for her to reclaim Palpatine.
In terms of plot holes the dagger with ancient Sith written on it being a key that lives up with the skyline of where the Death Star landed makes no sense (and furthers my feeling of the movie as a video game). I noticed a few other plot holes at the time but plot holes donât bother me too much so I donât remember them. Personally I care about cohesion of theme more than plot cohesion, and this didnât seem to have any interesting themes.
I am out of touch with current SW fandom as I really liked TLJ and Solo but didnât care for any of the others. I do think Grmpy saying anyone who didnât like this doesnât like it because itâs the cool thing to do is a lazy argument. People are entertained by different things, yawn- letâs move on to debate about things that matter rather than whether someone is correct or not in their opinion on an adolescent space western movie.
Thanks, man. Yeah you seldom hear anything like that on the internet. Weâve taken our first steps into a larger world 
. A kinder more gentler internet.
I donât think anything will have the charisma of the original three movies. but these last three were light years ahead of the prequels. Although, I do share you sentiment of ânot doing anything for meâ with The Last Jedi. I didnât care for that movie at all. It felt like I was sitting there on the cruiser just waiting to die with the rest of them. Even though there was decent character development the plot was slow and some of the line reads were horrendous and to top it off Lea flying through space after being blown up?! fucking stupid!. Pretty much the only decent part of the movie was the Kylo Vs Luke showdown at the end. But Awakens and Rise were great flicks and I would say on par with Jedi⌠Keeping in mind that Jedi was the weakest of the three originals. Empire and New Hope Stand alone!!
Snoke coulda had potential but I think ultimately he was just a plot device/vehicle to move the story to where they wanted it to go. I am still wondering though: was Snoke Palpatine in disguise, and if so, to serve what purpose? and if not whereâd Snoke come from? just some poor alien life form Palpatine inhabited or puppeteered? Itâd be cool to get the back story.
Of course Disney is gonna cash grab the hell out of this franchise!! I hear there are already three more movies set to release in the coming years. I think they easily have made their 4 billion dollar investment back from Lucas.
Yeah, to each his own. Sorry you feel cheated, man. Wish there was something I could say to make yaâ like it.
I could easily see that.
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The Last Jedi was actually pretty shitty. There were some good moments throughout, but otherwise itâs largely forgettable. Going for all those cheap, slapsticky jokes is just so amateur.
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This is easily C3POâs best film
Star tours the Movie? It felt like a commuter space ship getting thrown into a battle during a civil war, to you? Ooooooooooook.
What?!.. Really?! What⌠What themes? The Last Jedi was mostly filler. You liked Lea floating through space in a robe unscathed? The horrible acting between Fisher and Dern before Dern Sacrifices herself for the fleet? Seriously though, What themes did you find interesting? Iâm curious.
Agreed and completely predictable, but it was executed quite well.
Yeah, but the title wouldnât make sense then. And Palpatine really wasnât anything to her the way the Skywalkers were. So, it makes sense that she would take the Skywalker name and distance herself from Palpatine. Probably for the same reason you donât see a bunch of people running around with the last name of Hitler (or the first name of Adolf for that matter)
Not sure how you get video game outa that but more importantly the dagger lining up with the death star and the skyline is NOT a plot hole. Thatâs an overly convenient bit of story telling. Plot Holes are things that donât match up with known facts in a story⌠For example.
Obi Wan: âyouâre father wanted you to have this when you were old enough.â Really? Annakin said âhey, Obi Wan, one day Iâm gonna be a Sith Lord that needs my ass kicked by my son, so make sure he gets my old saber to do exactly that.â
Or how aboutâŚ
Obi Wan: â⌠And these blast points are too accurate for sand people only imperial troopers are so precise.â Really? Everyone knows Storm troopers miss EVERYTHING and the Tuscon Raiders are damned good shots as shown by them taking out pod racers.
Annakin was too old to train as a Jedi but Luke is just the right age?!
Or how about how Vader never recognizes C3PO? Those are plot holes
I already pointed out I didnât like TLJ but Iâm with you on Solo. That was a great flick and the actor playing Solo did a fantastic job of getting Harrison Fordâs mannerisms down. Truly an underated movie. I donât know why all the hate on that flick either.
Is that what I said? I said âanyone who doesnât likeâŚ?â
âI think people are hating on it because its trendy to do so.â
This is hardly âanyone who doesnât like it.â Iâm sure there are a lot of people out there that really didnât like it, but I think those numbers are skewed just because itâs trendy to slag it. Iâm not arguing over an opinion of taste. Man you pulled that bullshit right out of Peligroâs playbook.If you didnât like it, you didnât like it, whatever., I donât care.
Ha Ha I just wrote this. The weakest of the three movies for sure.
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Youâre right you didnât say âanyoneâ- totally apologize for getting that wrong.
The dagger thing seems like something out of Zelda and further I see it as a plot hole because itâs supposed to be really old (ancient Sith language and stuff), but the Death Star only crashed a little bit ago. So using your definition the plot doesnât match up with the known facts.
As for Star Tours, I didnât we l see the actual plot as the plot of Star Tours but the structure of the movie. Much of the character work seemed there to push the movie into the next action scene, rather than the action scenes being there to support themes and plot. Thatâs IMO of course.
Themes of TLJ are the previous generation getting out of the way for the future, a single heroic action doesnât always save the day (sometimes working together works better), itâs not just privileged families that bring about change, we all can, etc. To be honest, I only saw it once on release day but I left the theater thinking everyone was going to love it (except door the humor which largely fell flat) and I was super surprised by the hate it got. After people explained it, I understood their point of view but my first pass loved it ( after being super non-plussed by TFA since day one)
I can see your plot hole point, but in total geek nerdom fairness the writing/language is really old not the dagger. When they find the dagger in the tunnels its with a vehicle that belongs to a group of people that still follow Palpatine (Kinda like how neo nazis still follow Hitler). So I got the idea that the dagger was made after the remains of the death star came to rest on the planet to show where the wayfinder is and they wrote the directions in the Sith language as an homage to Darth Sidious. But the movie didnât explicitly say that so I could be wrong.
Isnât this kinda the theme of all the star wars movies, though?
âMany bothoms died to bring us this informationâ
Lando leading the attack on the second death star while Han and team deactivate the shield reactor on Endor.
Han taking out the Tie fighters so Luke could get his shot on the first Death Star.
Obi Wan helping Luke with the force on the Millennium Falcon. (which is another almost plot hole⌠Luke was never force sensitive as far we know, but in the span of ship ride to a dead Alderon he becomes a true believer and learns how to start manipulating the Force?! I know the rebuttal is that Heâs a Skywalker and the midiclorions are in his blood, but seriously, heâs gonna stand a chance against Vader, a Seasoned Sith, after a couple of night classes from Yoda? Whatever!)
Joint effort On Tattooine to rescue Han from carbonite at Jabbaâs PalaceâŚ
Etc. etc. (Iâm sorry I donât really have any prequel and postquel examples but Im not nearly as familiar with those as I am the originals)
Thanks for indulging me and explaining your side of things. You have some solid points.
Iâm more of a Trekkie and a casual Star Wars fan. Iâll watch this eventually Iâm in no rush
It was definitely an attempt to emulate Giger, thatâs for sure.
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