Thanks Chris. I’ve read that Raymond is kicking ass. Keep up on him…he loves to drag things out!
If and when Primitive Race play their first live gig they should all wear paper bag masks over their heads.
Love DIY concerts!
Thanks Chris. I’ve read that Raymond is kicking ass. Keep up on him…he loves to drag things out!
Raymond has been very cool to work with. He’s very inspired and I haven’t felt he’s been dragging anything out. Any delays have been more related to everyone having other work and schedules to coordinate.
If and when Primitive Race play their first live gig they should all wear paper bag masks over their heads.
Love DIY concerts!
We’ve had some chats about what all this would/could look like live. I can assure you at this point somehow the paper bag will make an appearance. That was just a dumb spur of the moment thing as a joke. I was poking fun at myself. All these awesome guys involved…and then me (some behind the scenes dude). I was literally getting messages about how awesome the paper bag mask was. Who knew something so dopey would connect with people?
Nice of you to post, but seriously the more exposure the better. As far as I know, none of the contributors are tied down to record labels, so what is wrong with trying to publicize what everyone is trying to do via Twitter, FB, Blabbermouth, etc?
I don’t read those sites, but the target audience for this music is for 30-40 something year olds who would buy it on name and influence alone, and the 20 somethings who know better.
Don’t let the complaining get to you. Trying something different works out well sometimes, other times not so much. But there will always be those who slag. I look back at the Internet reaction to some of my favorite albums back in the day and laugh.
[reply]If and when Primitive Race play their first live gig they should all wear paper bag masks over their heads.
Love DIY concerts!
I can assure you at this point somehow the paper bag will make an appearance.
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Nice. Like the Mentors, but without the songs and with 10 times as many Super Nintendos.
A great post
-Chris K.
Hey there. Thanks for taking the time to sign up here and post. Good read, and I’ll definitely keep on following the project.
Cheers!
(Rock the shit outta those paper bags holy shit yes doitdoitdoit)
[reply][reply]If and when Primitive Race play their first live gig they should all wear paper bag masks over their heads.
Love DIY concerts!
I can assure you at this point somehow the paper bag will make an appearance.
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Nice. Like the Mentors, but without the songs and with 10 times as many Super Nintendos.[/reply]
The mentors had songs? i thought they were a flyer band.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Yeah, I really commend you for coming here to explain your side of things.
You should know that I’m not just some troll picking internet fights. Nor am I a “hater”. My opinions come as somebody who was/is interested in this project. I started following you on Twitter early on. I’m a big fan of a lot of the artists you’re working with, and I will still probably check the album out when it is released.
I’m not even going to pretend to advise you on how to handle your business. I don’t work in the music industry, I’m just speaking from the perspective of a music fan. If this is the new marketing model for new bands, then that is a shame. If it takes “follows” and “likes” to get label interesest, rather than the music itself, then that sucks in my opinion.
In regards to your interactions with fans, I see you having all kinds of nice conversations with them and that’s great. However, you seemed to have a real shitty attitude about releasing that first clip of music. Here, you’ve actually generated some interest (something a lot of unknown bands would kill for) and you seemed so resentful that people would like to hear some actual music. As if it was some major inconvenience. So you put out that unlistenable mash up. It just seemed a little insulting to those of us who just want to hear a bit of what you guys are doing.
Alright, I’m not going to rehash everything that’s already been discussed. I just wanted to clarify my point so I wasn’t dismissed as “just another hater”.
Good luck to you, the music will speak for itself when it’s released.
I’m not even going to pretend to advise you on how to handle your business. I don’t work in the music industry, I’m just speaking from the perspective of a music fan. If this is the new marketing model for new bands, then that is a shame. If it takes “follows” and “likes” to get label interesest, rather than the music itself, then that sucks in my opinion.
Who the hell needs a label anymore? Aren’t people putting music out from their garages now with cd burners? Also, if the big labels see you begging for likes doesn’t that kinda defeat the purpose of being grassroots? It’s like the internet version of street begging, and le me tell ya’ voidhead has got that shit covered. Primitive race guy, you really should PM voidhead and gets some tips on how to beg. void pioneered that field!
Late,
grmpysmrf
[reply]I’m not even going to pretend to advise you on how to handle your business. I don’t work in the music industry, I’m just speaking from the perspective of a music fan. If this is the new marketing model for new bands, then that is a shame. If it takes “follows” and “likes” to get label interesest, rather than the music itself, then that sucks in my opinion.
Who the hell needs a label anymore? Aren’t people putting music out from their garages now with cd burners? Also, if the big labels see you begging for likes doesn’t that kinda defeat the purpose of being grassroots? It’s like the internet version of street begging, and le me tell ya’ voidhead has got that shit covered. Primitive race guy, you really should PM voidhead and gets some tips on how to beg. void pioneered that field!
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Fuck you bitch, don’t drag me into this.
[reply][reply]I’m not even going to pretend to advise you on how to handle your business. I don’t work in the music industry, I’m just speaking from the perspective of a music fan. If this is the new marketing model for new bands, then that is a shame. If it takes “follows” and “likes” to get label interesest, rather than the music itself, then that sucks in my opinion.
Who the hell needs a label anymore? Aren’t people putting music out from their garages now with cd burners? Also, if the big labels see you begging for likes doesn’t that kinda defeat the purpose of being grassroots? It’s like the internet version of street begging, and le me tell ya’ voidhead has got that shit covered. Primitive race guy, you really should PM voidhead and gets some tips on how to beg. void pioneered that field!
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Fuck you bitch, don’t drag me into this.[/reply]
LOL.
Ehh, I’ve stated before that I couldn’t care less about this project and still don’t (especially after the first music sample).
I give Kniker props for coming on here and trying to level with everyone, but I gotta say it smells a little contrived to me. No, I didn’t follow everything, but what I did see on Facebook was a lot of pissing and moaning about the so-called “haters” and a real controlling of the situation when it was on their home turf (criticisms getting deleted and so forth).
It seems pretty deliberate that all the trash-talking and chest-puffing is suddenly left at the door (since Prongs is really not the place where one can saunter in and get a red-carpet rolled out for them).
Anyway, we’ll see what becomes of all this . . . . some day.
I’m not blowing anyone off at all or looking at someone as a hater if they don’t like what we’re doing. If you’re into the project or even just curious about it I think that’s awesome. If you don’t like the music its cool too. There are bands I love and others that aren’t my thing. That’s part of fun of music.
If I came off as having a bad attitude about sharing anything it wasn’t because I was angry for people wanting to hear it. It was more of a feeling of being frustrated about having an idea of how we’d share things “in a perfect world”. Then there was the aspect of being advised not to put any music out there until it was ready for release for sale. It was this bizarre 3 way tug of war. Fans/followers wanting to hear something, artistic vision, and business advise. In the end I’ve tried to find some sort of happy medium between the three the varying degrees of success.
Check this out: https://www.nextbigsound.com. I know people from super small to major labels and they use this site and others like it to determine who they sign, get behind, and more. Its all in an effort to mitigate risk and maximize ROI. Which, from a business standpoint I can appreciate it. From an artistic standpoint it is frustrating. So I panhandle for likes and an audience.
I know its popular these days to say, “Who needs a label?” But, they do have a very valuable place. They have all the infrastructure in place. They make capital investment in artists. They have public relations, booking agent connections, radio promotion, advertising, manufacturing, and sales teams in place. These are all critical pieces of the puzzle to put together. When artists try to do it themselves they often don’t have access or know how to a lot of these areas. Even the biggest of artists who “self released” still had Sony/Red or BMG behind them for mainline releases. One of the largest “indie” digital aggregate distributors is run by Universal. Its all an illusion and labels still serve an important role.
Artists, labels, retailers, fans…none of know what the right model is. So I clunk along with what I do know. I try to learn what I don’t. I stub my toe sometimes. I’m pleasantly surprised others.
Once again thanks for the conversation. I do enjoy it.
Fair enough, Bro.
And back to the paper bag schtick – while it makes great internet fodder for smartass pricks like me, I think it was a great idea. Instead of just some stickers or whatever, fans get a much more unique and personalized momento.
In other news . . . I’m watching a TLC documentary called, “The Man With the 132lb Scrotum”.
Ha! Was that on after “The Man With the 200lb Tumor”?
Ha! Was that on after “The Man With the 200lb Tumor”?
No, it was after “The Man With No Face” . . . which was about a dude in Portugal with this gnarly gigantic tumor hanging off his face.
That was, in turn, following . . . The Man With Half A Body (about a dude who had no hips or legs, just arms and half a torso). He was wearing an Iron Maiden shirt, so he’s all right in my book.
The dude with the 132 scrotum is pretty rad and has a great sense of humor. He’s a black dude so even with his giant mutant sack he’s still cooler than any lame ass white dude.
EDIT: Oh, Acid, the 200lb tumor is on next, hahaha!
That was, in turn, following . . . The Man With Half A Body (about a dude who had no hips or legs, just arms and half a torso). He was wearing an Iron Maiden shirt, so he’s all right in my book.
This would be funnier if he had a Metallica “One” shirt on.
EDIT: Oh, Acid, the 200lb tumor is on next, hahaha!
Yeah, thought I saw this scrolling a few minutes ago.