This thread is fucked.
No way dude this thread is phun. Notice the arty way I spelled fun?! That’s art!
Late,
grmpysmrf
The analogy I can think of is a “torture-porn” slasher movie like Saw versus a film like Psycho. Both are “art” within their own rights. It’s just that a film like Saw tries so hard to be shocking with it’s visual depictions of torture and gore, and it does have the effect of shocking a squeamish audience, yet it feels cheap, like the director took the easy way out.
Psycho on the other hand used well-crafted psychological horror and suspense in it’s cinematography and storytelling with very little use of gore. Hitchcock knew that what you didn’t show and merely suggested was just as important (if not more so) than what you do show, so Psycho too plays with human emotions, but in a way that is just more intellectually clever and in the end is much more compelling and creative, and therefore a higher piece of art than any Saw film.
I can agree with your assessment as well, dastard, but I do have one question for you…Given the culture that was 1960 but more so the very limited special effects that were available in 1960… If Hitchcock had complete carte blanche and endless resources you think he still would make the same movie?
That movie works very well for the educated and those that read because we have understanding and imagination you ask the average adult and their kids and they won’t like it.
Late,
grmpysmrf
I can agree with your assessment as well, dastard, but I do have one question for you…Given the culture that was 1960 but more so the very limited special effects that were available in 1960… If Hitchcock had complete carte blanche and endless resources you think he still would make the same movie?
That movie works very well for the educated and those that read because we have understanding and imagination you ask the average adult and their kids and they won’t like it.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Hmmm, that’s an interesting question Grumpy… It’s so hard to separate the director as a person from the time period in which he practiced his craft. I know Hitchcock wasn’t against special effects, he did employ them. I’m sure they could have pulled off a realistically gory shower stabbing scene (especially in black and white), but he chose not too. So I would guess that if Hitchcock were around today he might use gore sparingly, but I’m sure he wouldn’t be into this torture porn crap they have lately.
And yeah it’s too bad, but yer probably right: most of today’s audience is too dumb and unimaginative to enjoy a film like Psycho.
So I would guess that if Hitchcock were around today he might use gore sparingly, but I’m sure he wouldn’t be into this torture porn crap they have lately.
Yeah I agree. I was talking to my wife about it and we both pretty much agree that Hitchcock is pure class. Hitchcock wouldn’t’ve associated himself with that crap. although I gotta stick up for Saw 1 and saw 2. Not really torture porn. Gory? yes. but saw 1 was pretty smart.
Late,
grmpysmrf
I like the fact that he’s all of the sudden the voice of reason even though he was the first to post a poop pic!! Perhaps if the kid would’ve been licking his fingers that would have been image worthy rather than link worthy… Whadya think Void? I think we need a ruling on this?
You know, it’s “inspiring” how capricious kids are!!!
Late,
grmpysmrf
It was a joke. It’s called irony.
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I’m still waiting for your poop video, grmpy.
This thread is fucked.
This is just the beginning.
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I like the fact that he’s all of the sudden the voice of reason even though he was the first to post a poop pic!! Perhaps if the kid would’ve been licking his fingers that would have been image worthy rather than link worthy… Whadya think Void? I think we need a ruling on this?
You know, it’s “inspiring” how capricious kids are!!!
Late,
grmpysmrf
It was a joke. It’s called irony.
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I’m still waiting for your poop video, grmpy.[/reply]
Still waiting for yer response!
I already told you I shall not share shit breath with you and gave reasons. apparently you have comprehension problems along with a long list of other problems.
Late,
grmpysmrf
You should release a limited edition Nursing Home single with real poo smeared on the record sleeve. Because that’s never been done before, has it?
Actually it might have already been done, and over 30 years ago too. The Rhythmyx Chymx (aka The Slugfuckers) were an Sydney noise band who made a split LP with Severed Heads in 1979. Each copy of their side of the album was hand painted, and some are rumoured to have excrement and semen mixed in.
Personally I think it was all a bit of a put on, but I can see some collectors frothing at the mouth for a copy as it is extremely rare. It usually sells for around a thousand dollars.
Everything has been said before
There’s nothing left to say anymore
When it’s all the same
You can ask for it by name
Babble babble bitch bitch
Rebel rebel party party
Sex sex drugs and don’t forget the violence
Blah blah blah got your lovey-dovey sad-and-lonely
Stick your stupid slogan in
Everybody sing along
Babble babble bitch bitch
Rebel rebel party party
Sex sex drugs and don’t forget the violence
Blah blah blah got your lovey-dovey sad-and-lonely
Stick your stupid slogan in
Everybody sing along,
Everything has been said before
There’s nothing left to say anymore
When it’s all the same
You can ask for it by name
Babble babble bitch bitch
Rebel rebel party party
Sex sex drugs and don’t forget the violence
Blah blah blah got your lovey-dovey sad-and-lonely
Stick your stupid slogan in
Everybody sing along
Babble babble bitch bitch
Rebel rebel party party
Sex sex drugs and don’t forget the violence
Blah blah blah got your lovey-dovey sad-and-lonely
Stick your stupid slogan in
Everybody sing along,
i hate that song 
the only decent thing about manson is his voice.
he’s too cheesy for my taste.
Everything has been said before
There’s nothing left to say anymore
When it’s all the same
You can ask for it by name
Babble babble bitch bitch
Rebel rebel party party
Sex sex drugs and don’t forget the violence
Blah blah blah got your lovey-dovey sad-and-lonely
Stick your stupid slogan in
Everybody sing along
Babble babble bitch bitch
Rebel rebel party party
Sex sex drugs and don’t forget the violence
Blah blah blah got your lovey-dovey sad-and-lonely
Stick your stupid slogan in
Everybody sing along,
You have got to be kidding me! Really? you’re gonna post manson lyrics at us? Jesus even you don’t believe in your art if now your gonna hop on the “everything is boring” bandwagon.
Should I be surprised?
Prolly not.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Everything has been said before
There’s nothing left to say anymore
When it’s all the same
You can ask for it by name
Babble babble bitch bitch
Rebel rebel party party
Sex sex drugs and don’t forget the violence
Blah blah blah got your lovey-dovey sad-and-lonely
Stick your stupid slogan in
Everybody sing along
Babble babble bitch bitch
Rebel rebel party party
Sex sex drugs and don’t forget the violence
Blah blah blah got your lovey-dovey sad-and-lonely
Stick your stupid slogan in
Everybody sing along,
(Massive Facepalm)
You’re like a kid I know who never got over Kurt Cobain. Marilyn Manson is about as relevant today as MC Hammer.
Dude you guys really need to get a sense of humor and sarcasm.
Dude you guys really need to get a sense of humor and sarcasm.
In case you didn’t realize it, sarcasm is kind of hard to convey on the internet, you gotta do something to flag it or nobody will get that you are trying to be sarcastic! Either way it remains painfully obvious that Marilyn Manson is still a huge influence in your life.
This Nursing Home thread runs the risk of becoming the new “Girls” thread.
Let’s talk about the music, the Halloween EP has some great tracks on it!
the only decent thing about manson is his voice.
Get this guy a friggin Doctor.
diagnostic - different taste than you!
Critique:
Voidhead is a visionary. The video is a beautifully ironic and bleak satirical commentary on a jaded and vapid society. Starting with a close-up of a mouth with some chattering teeth shows us that things like certain parts of the body or orifices have meaning and value in context. In this initial context it is frighteningly creepy. This theme is explored further, though, when we see later Void applying lipstick to his mouth. Why is it that we need to decorate and modify things in this way? There’s an obvious gender confusion and gap that Voidhead both exploits and highlights by crossing convention and applying makeup as a woman would. We paint ourselves. We mask ourselves. We alter, enhance, and modify our bodies, typically in whatever manner society tells us is proper and right. Men shave. Women wear makeup. And so forth.
But why? Because it is what we’ve always done and what we’ve been told to do. And let’s not forget what we’ve been told NOT to do. We are not to touch our fecal matter. We are not to eat our fecal matter. On the surface level, there’s just something ridiculous and funny about someone grabbing a turd and using it as lipstick. It’s something so simple and stupid. Just a piece of solid waste. And yet, the idea of it being substituted for any object in our daily lives (turd telephone, turd pencil, turd lipstick, and so on) is just silly. And yet people react with fervor and viciousness at the mere prospect.
So yes, Voidhead pulls double duty in this aspect. He makes the obvious metaphorical contrast of putting useless CRAP on our faces but he purposely leaves it unexplained so that the reactions are elicited.
I believe that true greatness and impact of this art work is not just in the material but in it’s confrontational experience. The art, then, is not merely confined to the video screen but encompasses thought, debate, outrage, disgust from the viewing public. Eventually, some people may reach some artistic truth. Others won’t. But that, I believe, is deliberate and calculated.
I don’t know why people have a hard time “getting” the art of Voidhead, but I think his true brilliance lies in the fact that he knows this all too well and exploits it to the achievement of something greater.
Actually if I remember correctly didn’t members of Coil or their entourage put out some sort of poo-smeared vinyl a few years ago?
^
I couldn’t find anything on Wiki (and that’s as far as I’ll research the topic) about smeared dook on the records, but it did mention that they would “personalize” some of the releases in very small batches with blood or signatures or whatever.
Then again, contrasting back to Voidhead’s peace as social commentary, it is a wonderful highlighting of the obvious chasm between public/fan reaction to developed artists and developing artists. Coil can do something like smear some poop on a record and their fans immediately hail them as brilliant and rush to the record shop for this amazing limited edition (and pay through the nose for it). Their album was called “Scatology”, by the way.
Meanwhile, Voidhead does not have the built-in constituency and blind followers that Coil has, so his stuff does not get a free pass like other artists might. In Void’s film the weird music underlies images of crosses in both directions flying around. We then see him with a very strange and darting eye. This is because he views the world and social mores and norms differently. He challenges processed ideology from both sides. Confronts doctrine and dogma of all types. And ultimately chooses to spit in the face of everything in a quest to challenge himself and spur on his own quest for greatness and personal enlightenment.
Sure, his budget may be a little thin, but I think people should look at his works in a more objective manner instead of just seeing a guy eating poo. I think the greater meaning is quite rewarding and worthy of artistic accolade.