Trent says there will be a new Nine Inch Nails album in 2010, cool by me. I thought it was made pretty clear that he was just retiring NIN from touring. Personally I hope there are more Ghosts, that album has grown on me a lot due to my cross country move / enormous drive.
Does he literally say “new album” anywhere? The closest I can find on the official NIN website is “2010 has a number of things planned including new material from nine inch nails and something else that isn’t nine inch nails.”
“New material” probably means “new album,” but it wouldn’t be totally unprecedented for him to just stick a couple free tracks online here and there, as with the NIN|JA thing last year.
or the fragile re-release
everything he has done, honestly, since the fragile, has sucked balls.
not bad, not terrible. but it’s just lost it’s edge.
have fun with making a shitload of songs, albums, etc trent. the old saying ‘quality over quantity’ seems to be lost on him these days.
why is it that all these artists dropping off heroin and depression seem to be losing their knack for self-criticism/awareness and quality control?
^ Evil Dildo, that was pretty harsh.
As for what you said, I disagree. I don’t think everything he’s done sober is total crap. I still enjoyed something from each album, even if as a whole they are not as strong as what came before. I’ll still take most of them over ‘Pretty Hate Machine’.
Artists tend to peak at a certain point. It just happens for whatever reason.
I think the main thing that changed when Trent cleaned up is that he lost that “darkness” and mystique to his persona and became like this technophile cool dad or something. I think losing the goth edge was pretty savvy because it allowed the hipsters and general rock types to jump on the bandwagon, and he kind of reinvented himself as this industry innovator. His lyrics I think finally progressed beyond the angst and “I’m fading away” shit…at least a little. But lyrics were never Trent’s strong point.
People change is I guess what I’m trying to say.
I think Trent’s thing was he very much wants to be in control of everything. He’s pretty uptight and was always miserable because he couldn’t control his own actions with the drugs/drinking. I can identify with that—being really goal oriented and unable to enjoy getting fucked up sometimes because you have this guilt and shame in the back of your mind like an alarm going off telling you you’re wasting time. It seems he just got to the point where he couldn’t take it anymore and had to make a choice.
I know basically in the studio it was just trent always, but podboy/tweaker/vrenna I know helped him out alot with finding samples, making sounds, etc. I wonder how much his contributions mattered to the final product when I hear people say nin sucked after spiral/fragile. I just think those 2 albums are very densely loaded with sounds as opposed to the later work as well. The little hidden things you don’t hear till the millionth listen that just so happens to be a quiet moment during a walk and you hear some melody distantly in background through the right headphone
^ Good point about Chris Vrenna. I’d say that is probably one of the elements that’s missing in the equation. Subtle, but a small factor I’d say.
However, ‘Year Zero’ was very dense though and even ‘With Teeth’ had subtle layering that gave depth to its stripped-down aesthetic.
I don’t think in the end you can really credit Chris Vrenna for making or breaking a Nine Inch Nails album.
Besides, wasn’t he replaced by Charlie Clouser for ‘The Fragile’ anyway, thus discounting that argument?
If anything, he was replaced by Lohner. Clouser just came and went.
oh i wouldn’t say vrenna “makes or breaks” nin, I think i was more saying trents studio partners at the time maybe DO make a bit more of an impression on the work then we’re lead the believe the one man project to be. Wasn’t atticus ross around basically for the year zero stuff?
As far as what clouser did or didn’t do, I don’t know. I know he worked with trent on the soundtrack works they did while the band toured.
And Lohner i think was more prevalent on manson’s ACS then the making of any nin cd. But this is all speculation and guess work from what I’ve read from interviews and stuff.
One quote i remember from the Spiral time was trent saying that vrenna was good to have around because he’s the guy that will sit around all day watching videos or something to get the perfect few second sample to use for ambience on a track.
Atticus has been around since With Teeth. Had to do with that album, year zero, and The Slip. Maybe Ghosts, but I can’t remember without looking, lazy. And Lohner had a decent part in the making of The Fragile.
Vrenna has made much, much more interesting material then Trent in the past ten years, hands down. Tweaker was/is awesome, and honestly any remix he does is usually 100% than the original.
He’s almost as talented as Amon Tobin, well, then again they are masters of different types of music…
Hm.
I find Tweaker instantly forgettable. Except for the Will Oldham song from the first CD - that one’s gold.
Hm.
I find Tweaker instantly forgettable. Except for the Will Oldham song from the first CD - that one’s gold.
The songs with Will Oldham are the best. I don’t know if it’s even comparable to nin. Lots of different stuff. We need more tweaker.
^ Evil Dildo, that was pretty harsh.
As for what you said, I disagree. I don’t think everything he’s done sober is total crap. I still enjoyed something from each album, even if as a whole they are not as strong as what came before. I’ll still take most of them over ‘Pretty Hate Machine’.
Artists tend to peak at a certain point. It just happens for whatever reason.
I think the main thing that changed when Trent cleaned up is that he lost that “darkness” and mystique to his persona and became like this technophile cool dad or something. I think losing the goth edge was pretty savvy because it allowed the hipsters and general rock types to jump on the bandwagon, and he kind of reinvented himself as this industry innovator. His lyrics I think finally progressed beyond the angst and “I’m fading away” shit…at least a little. But lyrics were never Trent’s strong point.
People change is I guess what I’m trying to say.
I think Trent’s thing was he very much wants to be in control of everything. He’s pretty uptight and was always miserable because he couldn’t control his own actions with the drugs/drinking. I can identify with that—being really goal oriented and unable to enjoy getting fucked up sometimes because you have this guilt and shame in the back of your mind like an alarm going off telling you you’re wasting time. It seems he just got to the point where he couldn’t take it anymore and had to make a choice.
What you say is true, but I think a certain arrogance comes with ‘cleaning up’.
It’s as though they get clean, get this new frame of mind and say, ‘fuck what anyone thinks, i’ve achieved this, i can do no wrong’. So what happens? They lose the ability to self-chastise and critique their work. They lose the ability of self analysis. You go into rehab or discipline yerself, and a big part of that involves not being harsh on yourself and being less critical of oneself in general.
I need only look at Al and Trent’s recent output to prove my point. Yeah, there’s good songs here and there, and it’s not bad at all, but there’s a lot of chaff to sift thru.
A big fat bullshit to that one Evil Dildo! I’ve been sober for 3 1/2 years and don’t think that it creates arrogance more than just about anything other challenging task a person can do (i.e.: write a hit record, have a baby, run a marathon, make a big income, have sex with a beautiful woman, etc).
I think it can make you less self loathing which might diminish the angst necessary to make a classic rock album, but getting older diminishes angst. I’d attribute Al and Trent’s perceived diminishing returns to do more with aging. Honestly, I think Trent has aged better musically than most his compatriots. His lyrics are better now and his music is still solid.
Name me a big rock star who puts out music that’s as vital while in the thier 40s as they did in their 20s?
I think writing music while fucked up would make a person less self critical/conscious. I mean how often do you wake up after a night of drinking/drugging and say “why did i do that”, as opposed to a normal sober morning? maybe less likely to second guess yourself. but i mean, to get into the whole which is a better method for activating that artistic side is redundant cause who knows…
For the life of me I CANNOT comprehend what you people see in this band.
I really can’t. What a raging falser. What insipid half baked teen goth industrial rock pop shite.
(BTW I am NOT hanging shit on you all, feel free to listen to what you like. I just don’t get it is all. Really hate their music.)
Yeah?
So go fucking post in another thread.
I’m pretty much with Amlux on this one. Except I wholly support PHM. Other than that NIN is over hyped pish! but this is the first I have posted in this thread and probably the last unless it takes a funky turn and we start discussing athlete’s foot or something… no need to get up I’ll show myself out.
Late,
grmpysmrf
I disagree… so there.