Carmangary, except for the immigration thing you’re the most sensible person on this board.
As for me, I’ll buy the Cleopatra Ministry album. But not because I think it’ll be good (I don’t). I’ll be buying it to spite all bitter fucks on this board.
I’ll be buying it to spite all bitter fucks on this board.
That would hardly qualify as financial prudentialism
Jesus Christ, save this kind of vitriol for issues that actually matter in the long-term…
[reply]Doesn’t Martin Atkins own/run Cleopatra? Why would Al go there? Especially after all the shit Al has talked… are there any bridges Al hasn’t burned?
Late,
grmpysmrf
Nope. Atkins has (had?) Invisible and Underground Inc. Some dude by the name of Brian Perera runs shop at Cleopatra.
I hate Cleopatra because they subsist on pointless compilations and tribute discs, but they DO keep good old-skool Goth rock in print.[/reply]
Oh yeah, I always get those two mixed up!
Late,
grmpysmrf
Jesus Christ, save this kind of vitriol for issues that actually matter in the long-term…
But…
We’re Prongs.
So far the news seems pretty dubious at best. Al could well have given Cleopatra the right to release some compilation of odds and ends that they call a “new album”. A banner at Cleopatra’s website is not proof to me that Ministry has ‘reunited’. Until I get some more concrete news I’ll refrain from commenting more.
I feel like I keep jumping in this convo at the wrong time. The worst thing that happened to Ministry was Bush’s 2nd term as president. HOTM was the last decent album Ministry ever put out imo. I’m sure rantology still wouldve come out considering it was for the most part a remix album, but to think if RGB and Sucker didn’t come out. Would Al call it quits with Ministry after rantology?
nope. it say’s brand-new full length album. I was thinking it was a comp at first for FIX until i read that.
lol. evolve might have been the wrong term…but i do agree with what you said about ministry losing it’s sense of experimentalism. if you look at it from that point of view, then yes, the bush trilogy sucks. there are some good tracks on there though. personally, i like the political message…and the only album out of the trilogy i could say i genuinely enjoy, is rio grand blood. How can you guys not enjoy the title track! makes me want to punch someone in the face, just like good ol ministry 
This is strange. I hope Al announces something about this release soon.
Thing i don’t understand with all you Al bashing Paul lovers is, where were you in 1990 with LIG or '99 with P.Anvil? At least think of it this way in '08 spurburn was in court around the time of C U latour, could it be the reason our setlist was crap? maybe Al is gonna do us a solid with a setlist akin to Fornica (in my opinion the proper final set) just something to think about.
p.s. This may also partially explain why when they did perform ‘older’ songs Al could not sing on them
Are we talkin about C U Latour? Al and Burton split vox on Theives and I believe Burton did lead on NWO and Just 1 Fix, definatly on Fix. I didnt get So What at my show
in Europe Al did all the vox.
Nah, someone on this board asked Paul about the setlist while the tour was going on and he had no idea about it.
Al also flat-out said that he wasn’t playing old songs because he didn’t want to.
It doesn’t make any sense to read more into it if both parties say the same basic thing.
As for the “Paul loving Al bashers”… damned straight I am. But as for “where were you?”… I bought my Lead into Gold back when I first got into Ministry around 93 or so… back when one relied on interviews and “related artists” lists in record stores in order to find out what was out there. And Pink Anvil I picked up when I found out about it too.
I agree with Dastardly Deeds that the reasons there are so much animosity against what Al has been doing lately is that three albums of thrashy metal with samples gets boring. And that The Last Sucker was a terrible, paint-by-numbers, throwaway album that was a big waste of my money. And that the setlist on the “farewell” tour was exceedingly lame for a last tour, and even more so because Ministry advertised it as playing songs from their entire career on their own website (false advertising pisses me off).
Aside from that, everything from the last sucker till now has been just super-boring, bad music.
We can disagree on getting annoyed by this, but one thing I can say, which is simple and straightforward is that THE MUSIC itself from The Last Sucker to this abomination is boring to me. It’s crappy music that seems to have no effort put into it.
And this ACDC crap… well… I hate ACDC to begin with, so that’s a strike against it. The preview sounded terrible.
As for the Paul rejoining/taking over the Ministry name? I wouldn’t hold my breath. He seemed fine doing his thing with Flowering Blight (Awesome) and selling his super-expensive guitar and bass pedals. I can’t see this happening. …love the optimism though…
ACTUAL new album or compilation of unreleased tracks?
I guess we’ll just have to wait and see.
My guess is a compilation of unreleased/leftover stuff (from the 13th Planet years), remixes, dj-harware/Sin thingie, etc.
OR, Al’s “solo” album - as in, they decide to put that out under the Ministry name because it’s better known/might sell better. In this case, I would predict Al would just say: “we decided to use the name so more people would know what it is” and assert that this was not really a re-forming, but just a re-branding of something.
But both of those are only guesses.
I suppose we just have to wait and see.
If this ACDC cover is any indication though, I can’t see it being any good. And I certainly won’t buy it if this is any indication.
And Akbar… Paul with the Melvins would be pretty nifty, but I also don’t see it happening. (And thanks for putting me on to the Melvins back a year or so ago… they are indeed cool).
Wow… that was a big-assed post!
In Vancouver Al didn’t sing on any of the non-bush trilogy songs (NWO, Just One Fix and Thieves)… and we didn’t get so what.
Well I heard a clip of a song from the supposed solo album on myspace and it was complete shite. If this is really a new ministry preview It will show that Al has no spark of creativity in him whatsoever. Even less than on last sucker
The thing i don’t understand, and maybe i’m speaking for myself, but it was the Al Jourgensen “character” that got me into ministry in the first place with the crazy stories/look etc(granted i was eleven). I mean look at something like FIX it’s exciting because of AL, if it was all paul clips it would be like a guy in a chair reading a book with a glass of white wine. What i’m getting at here is all of you so called “Paul-people” try to come off like you allway’s hated Al and everything he’s ever done and constantly talking shit on the guy he’s a drunk he’s a an asshole etc. The guy is ministry in every aspect. Paul can leave ministry and it could go on but, it sure as fuck could’nt have been the other way around (even, when al was going to give the band to paul and keep PTP for himself) it just would’nt work. So, what i’m trying to understand is this lets say I respect Lemmy ,for argument sake, but that does’nt mean that every motorhead album is great (cause they are’nt) but i still respect the fact that Lemmy embodies all things motorhead. So bash the bush albums, but respect the man cause without AL, in the end there would be no prongs ministry fansite for us to dick around on for a decade or more. I mean, for all you ‘pro-paul fuck-al’ people what was paul doing before Al? answer jack-shit music wise . The only reason that blackout’s record was on wax-trax was cause Al produced it (i know cause i have it ,along with the promo insert which basically states just that) Fuck, the basic point i’m trying to make is i joined this fucking forum 10 fucking years ago because i loved ministry. That, back then, was WHY we were all here only a few people are left from then but anyway. Now this place is all ministry bashing left and right, and to bash AL is to bash ministry no bones about it, so FUCKING what he put out some shitty records most people with 30 yr. music career’s do, I’m not here cause i love fucking GODFLESH,MELVINS,JESU if you HATE ministry so fucking much then WHY? WHY are you here?
I do believe it’s pudding time for old Mr Jourgenson.
Pudding time.
He should also spend more time with his daughter now that he is no longer on the payroll of the Democrats.
He could also listen to Sodom.
The thing i don’t understand, and maybe i’m speaking for myself, but it was the Al Jourgensen “character” that got me into ministry in the first place with the crazy stories/look etc(granted i was eleven). I mean look at something like FIX it’s exciting because of AL, if it was all paul clips it would be like a guy in a chair reading a book with a glass of white wine. What i’m getting at here is all of you so called “Paul-people” try to come off like you allway’s hated Al and everything he’s ever done and constantly talking shit on the guy he’s a drunk he’s a an asshole etc. The guy is ministry in every aspect. Paul can leave ministry and it could go on but, it sure as fuck could’nt have been the other way around (even, when al was going to give the band to paul and keep PTP for himself) it just would’nt work. So, what i’m trying to understand is this lets say I respect Lemmy ,for argument sake, but that does’nt mean that every motorhead album is great (cause they are’nt) but i still respect the fact that Lemmy embodies all things motorhead. So bash the bush albums, but respect the man cause without AL, in the end there would be no prongs ministry fansite for us to dick around on for a decade or more. I mean, for all you ‘pro-paul fuck-al’ people what was paul doing before Al? answer jack-shit music wise . The only reason that blackout’s record was on wax-trax was cause Al produced it (i know cause i have it ,along with the promo insert which basically states just that) Fuck, the basic point i’m trying to make is i joined this fucking forum 10 fucking years ago because i loved ministry. That, back then, was WHY we were all here only a few people are left from then but anyway. Now this place is all ministry bashing left and right, and to bash AL is to bash ministry no bones about it, so FUCKING what he put out some shitty records most people with 30 yr. music career’s do, I’m not here cause i love fucking GODFLESH,MELVINS,JESU if you HATE ministry so fucking much then WHY? WHY are you here?
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destructo: re-read my post.
When did I say I hate Al?
I said I found everything from The Last Sucker till now boring. That’s just a fact about my reaction to a certain body of music.
And I like Paul’s solo music.
That doesn’t mean I didn’t like the Ministry stuff before The Last Sucker and the last tour, etc. I do like that music… a lot. And I like what Al did on that music.
That I don’t like the stuff from The Last Sucker onward, that I feel a bit ripped off about the false advertising on the last tour, etc. is my reaction to that body of music. I feel like Al’s output has gone down the tubes lately and it seems really lazy to me.
Again, these are my opinions. And again, they don’t mean that I don’t like the old music anymore.
And I like ministry BECAUSE of the old music. Not because Al was/is drunk. That’s not very interesting to me. There are a lot of bands with drunk/stoned members… that’s not very interesting to me.
The issue (besides the last tour, which also annoyed me), is the music. I liked the music from Al that came before and I don’t like the recent music from Al. But, so far, I’ve liked all of Paul’s solo stuff.
It’s a matter of Al no longer making music that interests me and Paul still making music that interests me. If Paul put out an album I didn’t like I’d bitch about that too.
I’m a big Chris Connelly solo music fan, but when he re-recorded Burning Inside with some metal band that seemed boring to me and I said so. Doesn’t mean I don’t like his other music, but that seemed boring to me. The fact is that Al hasn’t done anything I’ve liked in some time now.
Chill out man. It’s just a music forum. No need to get all upset.
The thing i don’t understand, and maybe i’m speaking for myself, but it was the Al Jourgensen “character” that got me into ministry in the first place with the crazy stories/look etc(granted i was eleven). I mean look at something like FIX it’s exciting because of AL, if it was all paul clips it would be like a guy in a chair reading a book with a glass of white wine. What i’m getting at here is all of you so called “Paul-people” try to come off like you allway’s hated Al and everything he’s ever done and constantly talking shit on the guy he’s a drunk he’s a an asshole etc. The guy is ministry in every aspect. Paul can leave ministry and it could go on but, it sure as fuck could’nt have been the other way around (even, when al was going to give the band to paul and keep PTP for himself) it just would’nt work. So, what i’m trying to understand is this lets say I respect Lemmy ,for argument sake, but that does’nt mean that every motorhead album is great (cause they are’nt) but i still respect the fact that Lemmy embodies all things motorhead. So bash the bush albums, but respect the man cause without AL, in the end there would be no prongs ministry fansite for us to dick around on for a decade or more. I mean, for all you ‘pro-paul fuck-al’ people what was paul doing before Al? answer jack-shit music wise . The only reason that blackout’s record was on wax-trax was cause Al produced it (i know cause i have it ,along with the promo insert which basically states just that) Fuck, the basic point i’m trying to make is i joined this fucking forum 10 fucking years ago because i loved ministry. That, back then, was WHY we were all here only a few people are left from then but anyway. Now this place is all ministry bashing left and right, and to bash AL is to bash ministry no bones about it, so FUCKING what he put out some shitty records most people with 30 yr. music career’s do, I’m not here cause i love fucking GODFLESH,MELVINS,JESU if you HATE ministry so fucking much then WHY? WHY are you here?
Hey destructo, its not like we hate everything Ministry has done. I only didnt like the last couple albums. And Im sorry but the last tour really tainted things for me and Im sure everyone else on here who went. And its not like Im totally gay for Paul or anything. The quality of Ministrys output went downhill once he left and Im sure you can agree with that.
And yes, maybe we have some high expectations but Al and Ministry put out a lot of great albums. Weather it was popular mainstream success (Rape & Honey, Mind, Psalm 69), or not so successful albums but were arguably better (Filth Pig, Dark Side, Animositisomnia), Ministry had some classics that had some true magic.
And while some of us wont admit it, Im sure we still hold some ounce of faith that Al has a good album or two left in him. I know I do, which is what barely attracts to this new album. Ministry’s great albums outweigh the 2 or 3 bad ones that came out over the past few years so we’ll have to see how this turns out.
And destructo, prongs is obviously more than just a Ministry message board seeing how the general chat talks about so much more than the many works of Al Jourgensen. Hell there used to be a marilyn manson message board called the hierophant(great site btw) and there were many Manson bashers on there. That place served as more of a place to talk shit and a source to find out info on other bands. This site is very much like the phant just with less shit talking
So yeah, maybe you think we give Paul too much credit on here, but some ppl . But at least we arent like the Al worshippers that used to exist on piss army. We all hope that Al can put out something worthwhile. But if this album ends up sucking then expect the Al bashing to reach epic porportions. And the streets will flow with the blood of the non believers. You can take that to the bank Destructo