Marilyn Manson dropped from Interscope

A few things of interest have happened in the Manson world lately and I figured I’d sum them up in one thread so you wretched cunts can flame away.

  • He released a video for “Running to the Edge of the World” which features him beating the shit out of a Evan Rachel Wood look-alike. The ending is pretty realistic where he throws her dead body in the bathtub. You have to go to his website to see it I think because it’s not allowed on YouTube.

  • A formerly unknown video for “Apple of Sodom” from Lost Highway OST was actually released recently by the director. It’s decent. Kind of bridges the gap between ‘Antichrist Superstar’ and ‘Mechanical Animals’ visually, but pretty low budget so it’s not a surprise it was kept secret.

  • Manson’s back with Evan Rachel Wood

  • Marilyn Manson (the band) was dropped from Interscope Records due to low album sales for ‘The High End of Low’. Now this should be interesting…

at least he didn’t start throwing various meats on the body in the tub

I think it’s more than the low sales of the last cd… maybe the last few cds.
hell he can’t even sell out shows anymore (than again that’s an industry wide problem)

oh and he’s fat now… and fat people can’t be rock stars… and balding

I agree it’s more than that. I think it’s also the bad publicity he’s been getting about how he sucks live, is fat, is a has-been etc.

Also you have to consider how much are they forking out for the various lawsuits the group and the man spawn?

Here is a thoughtful post form one of the Manson forums:

"This is the worst news you could bring me, concerning Manson. While everyone is hearing the voiced optimism in the quotes, no one is paying attention to the reality of the situation.

Interscope has had 8 years to learn how to promote Mansons first array of masterpieces, and they failed in that time. 4 years, to drive sales, make limited editions, do promotions, get airplay. They did not.

Now he is no longer a salaried employee of the label, this makes it even less likely that they will promote his music, that is of course, unless he were to pass on. (which I hope not)

I can’t predict the sucess of Manson past today, because history gives us great examples of artists who faced the same predicament, and were either sucessful, a la Mariah Carey, Radiohead, Tori Amos, Morrissey. Or who have failed miserably, Courtney Love, Boy George, Third Eye Blind.

What we can all assume, is that a corporation like Interscope, weighed the sales, I think the information we recieve is 90,000 physical records. That still translates to dollars, by the way, and lacks the inclusion of digital sales from iTunes, etc. Profit is profit, if someone is selling something, it is Interscopes responsibility to be dutiful in their obligation to the artists…and from what I can hear over the years, they simply aren’t.

This isn’t a bad stroke of pen against Manson, to be dropped from a label. This is corporate policy of limiting liabilities. Manson has genius, and has a lawsuit against him which is soon to be decided. As his employer Interscope probably took serious to the limited returns on their high liability client.

Artists like Manson, who have cult followings, can find sucess resigning, to other labels, Warner Bros, Def Jam, Island, Virgin. Madonna has been dropped, and she sells about as many records worldwide now days as Manson does.

If Manson chooses against a major label, he would be on newer terrority, that has very few sucessful figures to pen an analysis from. While it’s true Trent Reznor released independently, and Radiohead, and Tori Amos, have as well. All of those artists above, are seeing very small returns, two of those acts are no longer touring, and it’s quite obvious, managing a band, finances, and promotion, doesn’t do wonders for the creative output of these bands. Sorry Ghost IV fans…but Nine Inch Nails bid farewell about 11 months after the release of that album.

It would be bad tabloid fodder for anyone to jab at Manson for such a decision, or Interscopes decision. This sort of thing has happened to almost every single 90s band, that many of us love. And very few of those artists are still making music, with their new found label freedom.

I guess I’m lacking the blind optimism required for digesting such a foul taste. To hear " An artist is selling this many records" and this is why we’re dropping them. Is such bad business, it makes you wonder, are record companies in a losing game? They’ve lost 75% of their share of the market to digital supliers legal and illegal. And now they are complaining about the few sales they are getting from their veteran acts.

Pish Posh, Interscope. My hopes are with Manson to do his homework, and seriously consider Virgin Atlantic, who have been a very sucessful safe zone for revitalizing 90s acts. If I’m not mistaken in Europe and the rest of the world MCA are who currently distributes Manson anyway. Their sales worldwide, and promotionals in France as of late for Manson, are at least working there.

Interscope is just a dying label. It’ll be a merger waiting to happen.

For Manson once the liability of the lawsuit passes, he now has the freedom to choose how to continue. More power to him should he choose the Aerosmith route…less power to him for following in Trents shoes yet again, if he so chooses."

manson. who cares. feel the pain of working in the industry.

It’s all a matter of a few things. The industry is failing, so there’s that. But i’d consider that a very MINOR detail. His albums have been flopping for years now. His shows are barely selling. His net-worth isn’t exactly what it was back in the 90s. With all of the shit and controversy he gets into now, he’s merely not worth the fight and defense from the label anymore. Likely costing them much more than he’s making them.

And I saw the video on youtube yesterday actually. Probably caught it before it was deleted and so on. Very lame, and the whole “smack a bitch up” part was pretty unnecessary. Punching her in the face while she’s down? Why? What’s the appeal in that exactly?

Only real sad news out of all this? Manson won’t be recieving any advances to buy his drugs and alcohol anymore. Poor fool.

I thought for sure he was making more $ from his absinthe drink. Guess not? BTW, anyone ever try that?

He needs to get off the drugs and get his act together.

Thanks for the info.

His website is pretty cool. I lost interest in Manson after HolyWood.

I figured I’d sum them up in one thread so you wretched cunts can flame away.

Oh yeah…this is gonna be fun.

  • He released a video for “Running to the Edge of the World” which features him beating the shit out of a Evan Rachel Wood look-alike. The ending is pretty realistic where he throws her dead body in the bathtub. You have to go to his website to see it I think because it’s not allowed on YouTube.

Aha.

Who is Evan Rachel Wood?

  • Manson’s back with Evan Rachel Wood

Who is Evan Rachel Wood?

  • Marilyn Manson (the band) was dropped from Interscope Records due to low album sales for ‘The High End of Low’. Now this should be interesting…

That’s it?? Well that’s no big surprise. Until I heard there was a new album, I had no idea he was even still around.

I do know that ‘High End…’ flopped in Australia, as did his concert. I have a friend who works at JB HiFi who told me that sales for the latest Manson had been “dismal…even embarrassing” and that they can’t even give the new album away.

The goth kids who frequent the record store I shop at have said that the Manson concert was barely half full and that Manson struggled to finish the set and that the band seemed “bored”. People were booing, they tell me.

Wasn’t this supposed to be the “return to form” album that put him back on the map? At least, that’s what he was boasting a few months ago.

I don’t even have to flame the guy anymore - he’s ended up as the joke I always envisaged him as.

Ah well…back to my coffee.

Interscope didn’t fail to market Manson. But they marketed him (correctly) as a shock rocker, and such things have a shelf life. 15 years is a pretty long time to be on a record label, but he really isn’t a major recording artist like he once was. He’s not going to end up on another major, and he’s not selling the same amount of albums as Madonna. Chances are that he’s either going to start up his own label to release his diminishing returns (a la 13th Planet), or he’ll wind up on a smaller label (Roadrunner, Sanctuary, etc). Given his ego, I’d put money on the former, but I’d recommend the latter.

Al and Angie should try to get him on 13th Planet.
I’m totally serious.

It’s all a matter of a few things. The industry is failing, so there’s that. But i’d consider that a very MINOR detail. His albums have been flopping for years now. His shows are barely selling. His net-worth isn’t exactly what it was back in the 90s. With all of the shit and controversy he gets into now, he’s merely not worth the fight and defense from the label anymore. Likely costing them much more than he’s making them.

And I saw the video on youtube yesterday actually. Probably caught it before it was deleted and so on. Very lame, and the whole “smack a bitch up” part was pretty unnecessary. Punching her in the face while she’s down? Why? What’s the appeal in that exactly?

Only real sad news out of all this? Manson won’t be recieving any advances to buy his drugs and alcohol anymore. Poor fool.

His albums are still selling decently. ‘Golden Age of Grotesque’ in 2003 debuted at number 1 and sold ok. And ‘Lest We Forget’ (greatest hits) in 2004 went gold. It’s true the last two did not sell as well, but Interscope barely marketed them. I think Manson being dropped is more a symptom of the dying industry and the bad publicity/career slump/alcoholic drug state he’s in now. Interscope is going under. There’s no way around that. But Manson’s also not delivering like he should be at this point in his career.

Interscope didn’t fail to market Manson. But they marketed him (correctly) as a shock rocker, and such things have a shelf life. 15 years is a pretty long time to be on a record label, but he really isn’t a major recording artist like he once was. He’s not going to end up on another major, and he’s not selling the same amount of albums as Madonna. Chances are that he’s either going to start up his own label to release his diminishing returns (a la 13th Planet), or he’ll wind up on a smaller label (Roadrunner, Sanctuary, etc). Given his ego, I’d put money on the former, but I’d recommend the latter.

They did not market him at all except for the bare minimum and getting him appearances on Leno, Letterman, and several British talk shows. Your bias is so obvious it just renders your post pointless. You’re spouting opinions that you have turned into facts in your mind.

Marketing Manson as a shock rocker is a fucking retarded strategy. Not that they even did that. They didn’t market him for shit after Columbine and ‘Holy Wood’ failed to hit platinum. They merely reaped the rewards of the band’s hard earned success while doing the bare minimum.

His worldwide album sales are similar to Madonna and chances are he will end up on Virgin Atlantic. I don’t understand where you are getting this information from.

The goth kids who frequent the record store I shop at have said that the Manson concert was barely half full and that Manson struggled to finish the set and that the band seemed “bored”. People were booing, they tell me.

I wonder what is more pathetic, Marilyn Manson’s current state of affairs, or the fact that you continually waste your time worrying about a band you obviously have decided to hate?

I just get this lame image of you snickering in the record store as the goth kids deliver the report that you expected to hear, given that you’ve obviously been aware of the negative media surrounding Manson’s current tour.

But you asked anyway. Why? Because you care. Because you know Manson was good deep down don’t you? All those years when you were too cool for school…

When he came around for ‘Mechanical Animals’ and you were just dying to go. You even had glittery eyeliner and fake eyelashes all picked out. You had his posters in your closet. You spent hours posing in front of the mirror in a thong and sequined platform boots, holding your mothers bra to your chest, imagining yourself as Marilyn.

You wanted so badly to go to that concert. You wanted to hear the bass line to the “Dope Show” and shake your little Australian ass off like no tomorrow. But what would the inner musical elitist think?!? What would daddy think with his John Cage and Karlheinz Stockhausen records? What would mother think of the thong and purple lipstick. Would they beat you and call you “faggot”? Or worse yet, a populist? What would Burzum think?! Or Blixa Bargeld?

This was a platinum act! You know you wanted to go Peligro. And it haunts you. It’s ok. Come here. That’s right. Let it all out. That’s a good boy…Cry on voidhead’s shoulder. It’ll be ok. There there precious.

They did not market him at all except for the bare minimum and getting him appearances on Leno, Letterman, and several British talk shows. Your bias is so obvious it just renders your post pointless. You’re spouting opinions that you have turned into facts in your mind.

Let me clarify. I’m responding to the claim that Interscope spent 8 years not promoting him. I’d agree that their promotion of him went down over the years, and the last two albums got almost no push, but relative to other bands on Interscope, Manson was still getting promotion from the label earlier in the decade.
From a business perspective though, Interscope is better off without him, and he’s better off without them.

"You even had glittery eyeliner and fake eyelashes all picked out. You had his posters in your closet. You spent hours posing in front of the mirror in a thong and sequined platform boots, holding your mothers bra to your chest, imagining yourself as Marilyn.

You wanted so badly to go to that concert. You wanted to hear the bass line to the “Dope Show” and shake your little ass off like no tomorrow. What would daddy think? What would mother think of the thong and purple lipstick. Would they beat you and call you “faggot”?

fify. I think you just wrote us a snippet of the “teen years” chapter of your autobiography.

Let me clarify. I’m responding to the claim that Interscope spent 8 years not promoting him. I’d agree that their promotion of him went down over the years, and the last two albums got almost no push, but relative to other bands on Interscope, Manson was still getting promotion from the label earlier in the decade.
From a business perspective though, Interscope is better off without him, and he’s better off without them.

Fair enough. I agree with this. Though they really did neglect ‘Golden Age of Grotesque’, and he hustled that one with a lot of online promotion and fan interaction as well as high profile red carpet appearances with Dita von Teese. Interscope got him on Letterman to promote it, which was huge, but that’s about all they did.

The label did promote ‘Lest We Forget’, but it was (probably a mandatory) greatest hits collection so it was kind of an automatic cash-in for both parties and Manson played his part by endorsing it and doing a new cover song for it, as well as a tour.

To be fair, I think both parties really dropped the ball on the last two albums.

The point is that on Interscope’s end it was never the same after Columbine.

I also agree they are probably better off without each other.

A few things of interest have happened in the Manson world lately and I figured I’d sum them up in one thread so you wretched cunts can flame away.

  • He released a video for “Running to the Edge of the World” which features him beating the shit out of a Evan Rachel Wood look-alike. The ending is pretty realistic where he throws her dead body in the bathtub. You have to go to his website to see it I think because it’s not allowed on YouTube.

  • A formerly unknown video for “Apple of Sodom” from Lost Highway OST was actually released recently by the director. It’s decent. Kind of bridges the gap between ‘Antichrist Superstar’ and ‘Mechanical Animals’ visually, but pretty low budget so it’s not a surprise it was kept secret.

  • Manson’s back with Evan Rachel Wood

  • Marilyn Manson (the band) was dropped from Interscope Records due to low album sales for ‘The High End of Low’. Now this should be interesting…

Fitting. He had something when it was a collaborative effort, when he just contributed lyrics and the band wrote the music. Somewhere he got it in his head that he didn’t need the two people who helped shaped the sound best in the early years, his co-founding guitarist and keyboardist. He said Pogo (keyboardist) was extremely important to the sound of Manson and couldn’t see the band existing without him, wish I could find the article. This was back before he pissed his good fortune away.

Your mileage may vary but the band peaked with Smells Like Children and Antichrist Superstar marked the downfall. Why? Lack of Daisy’s influence and Manson completing his total self-absorption. The first album was comical, dark, and had a unique circus like vibe. Enter Antichrist and the chugga-chugga-chugga guitar, it all goes downhill.

If he had kept his drug consumption down and not been such a dickhead he might have his original band-mates around and might still be making music on par with the original release and not be the equivalent of the Jose Canseco of music (great early career followed by embarrassment).

Hopefully he hits his head real hard someday and calls up Stephen and Scott, apologizes for being such a dickhead, and starts making music on par with the first album/second EP again.

"MARILYN MANSON has parted ways with longtime record label Interscope following the disappointing sales performance of the shock-rocker’s latest album, entitled “The High End Of Low”. “We’ve just been released from our record contract with Interscope so I think a lot of the creative control on which my hands were tied on a lot of choices — the music videos — things like that,” Manson told U.K.'s Metal Hammer magazine. "And the first example is the newest video, they clearly wouldn’t have allowed me to make that video. So we started writing new songs on the road — a bit like [David Bowie’s album] ‘Aladdin Sane’ — I think people can expect a new record a lot sooner than we [expected].

When told that he doesn’t seem like someone who wouldn’t put his foot down with a label, Manson said, “You’d be surprised how much restraint my creativity had which ended up often times in my life, not want to make music because I was so restrained from the music that I wanted to make — what they would allow, they would put out, what ideas they would allow to be conveyed in these videos. At least half of my creative output has been squashed, so now I think people can expect a whole lot more.”

Trent Reznor of NINE INCH NAILS signed MARILYN MANSON to his label Nothing Records, a vanity label of Interscope, in 1993. Nothing Records became defunct in 2004, and MARILYN MANSON remained signed solely to Interscope.

“The High End Of Low” sold 49,000 copies in the United States in its first week of release to debut at position No. 4 on The Billboard 200 chart. It has shifted 121,000 units to date, according to Nielsen SoundScan.

MARILYN MANSON’s previous album, “Eat Me, Drink Me”, opened with 88,000 units to land at No. 8. This marked a significant drop from the 118,000 first-week tally registered by its predecessor, “The Golden Age Of Grotesque”, which entered the chart at No. 1 back in May 2003.

“The High End Of Low” was Manson’s first album with longtime bassist Twiggy Ramirez since 2000’s “Holy Wood”.

Produced by Manson, Vrenna and Twiggy, “The High End Of Low” was recorded in Manson’s Hollywood Hills studio. Manson said of the album, “I think my life definitely ended and began. The record sounds very final, but it’s almost optimistic — though that feels like a strange word to use. It’s a phoenix from the fire and a redemption resurrection.”

The “censored” version of the “Arma-Goddamn-Motherfuckin’-Geddon” video can be viewed below. The clip was shot with director Delaney Bishop, a filmmaker and photographer based in Los Angeles. He has directed music videos for JURASSIC 5, CUT CHEMIST and ENGELBERT HUMPERDINCK. Delaney has also worked on a twenty-minute short entitled “The Death of Salvador Dali” featuring Manson’s ex-wife Dita Von Teese, a project which broke new ground in new media, as the film was made available for download through iTunes."

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