Marilyn Manson dropped from Interscope

Fitting. He had something when it was a collaborative effort, when he just contributed lyrics and the band wrote the music. Somewhere he got it in his head that he didn’t need the two people who helped shaped the sound best in the early years, his co-founding guitarist and keyboardist. He said Pogo (keyboardist) was extremely important to the sound of Manson and couldn’t see the band existing without him, wish I could find the article. This was back before he pissed his good fortune away.

Your mileage may vary but the band peaked with Smells Like Children and Antichrist Superstar marked the downfall. Why? Lack of Daisy’s influence and Manson completing his total self-absorption. The first album was comical, dark, and had a unique circus like vibe. Enter Antichrist and the chugga-chugga-chugga guitar, it all goes downhill.

If he had kept his drug consumption down and not been such a dickhead he might have his original band-mates around and might still be making music on par with the original release and not be the equivalent of the Jose Canseco of music (great early career followed by embarrassment).

Hopefully he hits his head real hard someday and calls up Stephen and Scott, apologizes for being such a dickhead, and starts making music on par with the first album/second EP again.

Eh I disagree largely. Yes Daisy was a great guitarist and should have been kept in the lineup, but they did fine without him. Their most commercially and critically successful material was mostly without him, and I think all of the albums have been great up to ‘Golden Age…’ which was solid but too repetitive.

Yes they lost the psychedelic fun edge but made up for it in different ways.

Plus Daisy is a loser. I mean he has gone on to do absolutely nothing since leaving Manson and still uses the moniker “Daisy Berkowitz”. He wrote a lame article on Manson in a Florida newspaper semi-recently. There are also some hilarious/pathetic videos of him playing “Crazy” by Gnarls Barkley on keyboard on YouTube somewhere but I can’t be assed to find them.

Pogo however, I agree with you there. I think the key change from ‘Holy Wood’ to ‘Golden Age…’ – aside from Twiggy’s departure – is the that Pogo does not play keyboard on the album, and it really suffers without his creative edge. He was the one I feel who most gave the band that little spark of weirdness they needed to keep from sounding too generic and commercial. It just hasn’t been the same without Pogo. He’s supposedly working on a solo album but who knows…

Manson can only hype his cds with lies so many times before people give up on him.

“fucking bitches, fucking stupid whores… they’re dikes”

lol I agree completely. And his latest hyping may do just that. Check this out:

Marilyn Manson spoke to Hammer and announced his plans to play three of the classic albums on seperate nights in cities around the world. Plus, he fields questions about this year’s Download performance…

“In the States – and a few select dates in Europe maybe – we plan to play the three albums, ‘Holywood’, ‘Mechanical Animals’ and ‘Antichrist Superstar’ top-to-bottom at three nights in each city, which is something we’ve never done – we’ve never attempted live.”

http://www.metalhammer.co.uk/news/marilyn-manson-were-going-to-play-each-album-on-a-different-night/

I wonder what is more pathetic, Marilyn Manson’s current state of affairs, or the fact that you continually waste your time worrying about a band you obviously have decided to hate?

Oh, I’m infinitely more pathetic than Manson. I’ll bet Manson doesn’t have to queue up for hours at the supermarket and then remember he forgot to buy cheese slices and have to go back into the store to get them and line up all over again. I’ll bet Manson doesn’t spill egg all down the front of his new shirt at the breakfast table and then have to change his shirt as he’s running out the door. I’ll bet Manson doesn’t even eat egg. I’ll bet Manson doesn’t even have a breakfast table. I’ll bet Manson eats off naked women. I’ll bet Manson’s house is tricked out to look like A Clockwork Orange!!!

I’m infintely more pathetic I tells ya.

I just get this lame image of you snickering in the record store as the goth kids deliver the report that you expected to hear, given that you’ve obviously been aware of the negative media surrounding Manson’s current tour.

I don’t remember snickering. Maybe, I don’t know. I only spoke to this young goth girl 'cos her friend was cute. I couldn’t care less if they went birdwatching with Manson or if he let them smell his pee. If it gets me a phone number I’ll talk about anything.

But you asked anyway. Why? Because you care. Because you know Manson was good deep down don’t you? All those years when you were too cool for school…

I haven’t been too cool for school since I was actually at school. However my school wasn’t very cool, rendering it fairly easy to be too cool for. Even the asian nerds seemed edgy in comparison. Boy, that place was square.

When he came around for ‘Mechanical Animals’ and you were just dying to go. You even had glittery eyeliner and fake eyelashes all picked out. You had his posters in your closet. You spent hours posing in front of the mirror in a thong and sequined platform boots, holding your mothers bra to your chest, imagining yourself as Marilyn.

You should get a job writing for…something. I dunno. I think you’d make a decent living writing crap. There’s good money in it. I should know.

You wanted so badly to go to that concert. You wanted to hear the bass line to the “Dope Show” and shake your little Australian ass off like no tomorrow. But what would the inner musical elitist think?!?

The ‘inner musical elitist’ would think up any excuse not to go to the concert. Not because of any fashionable faux pas, more because he is very lazy and prefers veging out in front of the tv watching British sitcoms and ordering pizza. He also doesn’t like catching public transport late at night.

What would daddy think with his John Cage and Karlheinz Stockhausen records?

Oh you’re WAAAY off there, Poindexter. My ‘daddy’ likes classical and despises anything remotely ‘rock’. Hell, I got chastised the other day for watching a Monkees telemovie on the grounds it was ‘misguided rubbish’. That guy needs to loosen up.

I also prefer Tony Conrad to Stockhausen. But nice try - you’re almost there. One or two board members actually laughed. Probably.

What would mother think of the thong and purple lipstick. Would they beat you and call you “faggot”? Or worse yet, a populist?

No, they know I’m into freaky sex shit. They can read me like a book.

What would Burzum think?! Or Blixa Bargeld?

Burzum would think I was a “faggot” for sure. Definitely. Blixa…not so sure. Probably think I was lowbrow. He’d probably send me for coffee and then dismiss me with a wave of his hand.

regardless of his merits as an artist or talent, aren’t we a decade late on the whole argueing over manson thing?

regardless of his merits as an artist or talent, aren’t we a decade late on the whole arguing over manson thing?

I can’t believe there’s ANOTHER Manson thread full stop. When did we start caring exactly? Marilyn Manson - what the fuck?!?!? Did the collective intelligence of this forum suddenly regress overnight? Shall we start examining the merits of Limp Bizkit? Bush? The Catherine Wheel? Stabbing Westward?? The Toadies??

WHERE DOES IT END?

Please don’t do this again. For all of our sakes.

There seems to be a new Manson thread every week here lol.

I find it hard to believe that someone into real shit like Ministry would be a Manson fanatic. But its cool though I like some cheesy bands myself.

Shall we start examining the merits of Limp Bizkit?

The lyrical integrity of ‘Break Stuff’ might be a good start…

Shall we start examining the merits of Limp Bizkit? Bush? The Catherine Wheel? Stabbing Westward?? The Toadies??.

Ferment + Chrome >>> everything combined by those other bands.

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There seems to be a new Manson thread every week here lol.

I find it hard to believe that someone into real shit like Ministry would be a Manson fanatic. But its cool though I like some cheesy bands myself.

I don’t understand why you guys draw the line with Manson as not a “real band”, but whatever.

Personally I think techno metal shit like Chemlab, KMFDM etc. is one the lower level of being kitschy crap and Marilyn Manson deserves to be ranked among the good Industrial Metal bands, but whatever.

I’ll still take his latest turd records over Al’s latest turd records any day because at least I’ll find a song or two I like…

Did the collective intelligence of this forum suddenly regress overnight? Shall we start examining the merits of Limp Bizkit? Bush? The Catherine Wheel? Stabbing Westward?? The Toadies??

Tell me HOW Catherine Wheel got lumped in with those fucking horrible bands??? I hate the ‘Shoegaze’ term, but they were never bad thrash metal. 'Tho the 3rd album is better(and heavier - with taste) than anything Ministry ever did after The Mind…disc.

Poor Manson…

Peligro, I almost never agree with anything you say, but that last post was 100% pure win.

Personally I think techno metal shit like Chemlab, KMFDM etc. is one the lower level of being kitschy crap

It is.

And throw Pig and Frontline Assembly in there while yr at it.

and Marilyn Manson deserves to be ranked among the good Industrial Metal bands, but whatever.

As much as I take the piss, you’d be surprised how much I actually agree. Although I wouldn’t go so far as to lump Manson in with ‘good’ industrial. But I get where yr coming from and you make SOME valid points along the way.

To me, their music has more in common with a slightly more metal ‘Adore’ era Smashing Pumpkins…which I wouldn’t label as particularly industrial - but that’s just me.

In Manson’s defence, it’s kinda like Tool in that the fans of the band or at least the type of fans that bands of that nature seem to attract make the music seem far worse than it really is. And in turn the music suffers slightly because you end up NOT WANTING to identify with it.

I’ll still take his latest turd records over Al’s latest turd records any day because at least I’ll find a song or two I like…

The last time I played nu-Ministry to some ex-Ministry fans who are friends of mine they couldn’t even identify it as being Ministry - they thought it was some embarrassingly lame speed metal thing for the kids who like Slipknot.

Until the ‘Whoooaaaayyy’ crowd cheering sample kicked in, that is.

Then they all laughed their asses off.

I guess that ‘techno metal’ comment was directed towards me!? I dont listen to too much KMFDM anymore, and when I did, it was a few select songs from various albums.

And when it comes to Chemlab, I can see how it could be called childish as its 90’s industrial rock. 90% of that shit was generic and lauphable, but I dont fucking care, I like Chemlab!

And Peligro is such a flip flopper lol

when you post on these board where the possibility of cross fandom with a band like manson seems plausable, the more agressive of anti-manson people, not all, but most tend to be recovered (or recovering) fans who gave up after X album, for whatever reason (twiggy left/came back, zim raped a girl, too silly/not silly enough, manson fired daisy, no more backmasking, etc)
personally I still like manson, but that won’t stop me from making fun of him. I’m not as into him as I was when I was 15, but that’s as much his fault as mine.

Manson isn’t really industrial but even if I hated him i’d pick his stage show (even the tamer lamer show of late) over the look at the guy with the laptop stand there some industrial/electronic artists do

as much as a control freak as brian may appear and act out, he needs a label to wipe his ass for him (or the american flag) so i doubt he’ll follow trent into the free internet land, or do the self release/label thing

BTW pig is not in the lower level of industrial
and has any “industrial” band that has been together for more than a year and does extensive touring not started leaning more towards being a “rock industrial” band?

Zim raped someone?

Zim raped someone?

+2

Came out of the blue there, that one did.

I find the whole Manson ‘persona’ way too contrived to take seriously. It tries harder to offend than it does to entertain and seems more concerned with style over substance (how much does that guy spend on make-up and wardrobe? More than Kiss??). The songs all blur into into other with very little to distinguish one from another. The same old poorly phrased anaemic woe is me goth bullshit or hammy fist in the air teen metalhead rebellion anthems. The same old Tim Burton meets Rob Zombie on a budget videos. I’m also surprised that no one has picked up on how damn ‘emo’ it all is, especially the last five or so years.

I’m not surprised that it was successful though. Not when we live in a world of contrived, carefully marketed corporate crap dominating the airwaves.

Marilyn is every bit as corny and cardboard cut out as the Britney’s or Backstreet Boys of this world. It’s just marketed to a different teen demographic. Hell, Britney even danced to a Marilyn Manson track at her recent Down Under tour. Or so the papers say.

That speaks volumes.

People were probably saying the same thing about Bowie when he came out, and especially during his stardust era. Manson knew how to shake things up and make things interesting and entertaining. Years go by. Coke is snorted. A many come, a many go. He stuck to the same schick and people stopped caring. He ran out of interesting things to say now and continues to try leeching off and from his past/former success.

I thought for sure he was making more $ from his absinthe drink. Guess not? BTW, anyone ever try that?

We brought him to Neo just to hang out. Well we had Chris Vrenna come to DJ and then Manson showed up with his entourage. He was friendly and had a huge bodyguard. Anyhow, he brought Rachel with him and bottles of absinthe. Let’s put it this way: a good friend was hungover for 3 days after drinking that.