… Ouch. I hadn’t heard of any bad blood between Daisy and Pogo. Any idea what happened there?
Pogo specifically accused Daisy on Facebook of stealing money from him (by releasing old Spooky Kids demos and leaking other stuff) and saying bad things about him. I can’t find evidence of the latter, but maybe it really happened, I dunno.
That’s only the beginning of the bad blood, though, because since 1993 or so, Manson, Daisy, Gidget, Pogo, and Twiggy have been taking turns knifing each other in the back. Manson’s done it the most, by far, and he’s got the most to show for it, but they’ve all done it.
1993: Gidget is kicked out of the band for being a heroin addict and replaced with Twiggy, who also takes on Gidget’s persona as “the crazy transvestite bassist.” 1996: Manson, Twiggy, and Pogo join forces to get Daisy to leave the bamd by tormenting him until he gets fed up and quits. 1997: Gidget and Daisy both sue for non-payment of royalties and win. A particular bone of contention is that Twiggy, ahem, “borrowed” the riff from the old Spooky Kids’ song “She’s Not My Girlfriend” for “1996.” 1999: Daisy shows up at a concert in Australia. As chronicled by the Alternative Press, Manson flies into a rage and threatens to kill him and then brags about getting him fired from Jack Off Jill. 2002: Twiggy leaves the band. Manson and Gidget become friends again. 2004: Daisy releases a bunch of old Spooky Kids recordings. Manson and Pogo both sue. 2007: Pogo leaves the band and sues for breach of contract. Manson countersues. 2008: Twiggy rejoins. Gidget dies of a heroin overdose in October: Pogo and Daisy express regret; Manson and Twiggy ignore it. 2009: Pogo’s suit settled. Manson gets drunk and/or high and posts a screed on MySpace threatening Pogo with death. 2013: Daisy diagnosed with Stage IV colon cancer. He also supposedly posts something on Facebook whining about Manson not calling him or something, too, but I’m getting that third-hand. 2016: Pogo posts a screed on Facebook telling Manson to kill himself. This is the same post where he expressed joy at Daisy’s probably terminal cancer.
There’s been even more sniping back and forth on social media and in the press before and since, Manson’s been such a drunken wreck at concerts lately that the press had expressed concern for his health, and I can’t look away from this train crash.
[reply]… Ouch. I hadn’t heard of any bad blood between Daisy and Pogo. Any idea what happened there?
Pogo specifically accused Daisy on Facebook of stealing money from him (by releasing old Spooky Kids demos and leaking other stuff) and saying bad things about him. I can’t find evidence of the latter, but maybe it really happened, I dunno.
That’s only the beginning of the bad blood, though, because since 1993 or so, Manson, Daisy, Gidget, Pogo, and Twiggy have been taking turns knifing each other in the back. Manson’s done it the most, by far, and he’s got the most to show for it, but they’ve all done it…[/reply]
That’s… wow. How do the other members of the band --Ginger, Zim Zum, John 5, Skold, and the rest-- figure in this?
That’s… wow. How do the other members of the band --Ginger, Zim Zum, John 5, Skold, and the rest-- figure in this?
They mostly don’t, other than being assaulted onstage by Manson. Most of their comments have been fairly mild, with John 5 being polite and restrained, Zim Zum and Fred Sablan saying virtually nothing, Chris Vrenna saying little other that Manson was the most difficult person he’s ever worked for, Tim Skold only throwing shade in a song, and Ginger Fish expressing concern for his health.
This is most likely because Manson, Daisy, Gidget, Twiggy, and Pogo knew each other pre-fame and were even friends of a sort once upon a time, so there was probably a lot of personal stuff mixed in with the business backstabbings. Or maybe they all gave each other a horrible case of syphilis and neglected to have treated, so it spread to their brains.
May or may not be related, but . . . . this has always been one of my absolute favorite videos on YouTube. I can watch it 20 times in row and never stop laughing. Everything about it is so ridiculous and amazing.
I love how they’re both obviously afraid to have an actual fight, but John5 just gets bullied anyway. “Yeah, yeah, pick up your guitar, Bitch!” HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
My advice to John if ever in the same situation . . . just take Manson out and the shins or run around and get him tangled up. Once he falls down he will have a helluva time trying to get back up with those big dumb Frankenstein boots.
[reply]I love how they’re both obviously afraid to have an actual fight
Looks fake to me.[/reply]
I don’t know enough about them at that time to weigh in. It actually looks fairly legit to me, and from various comments I’d read about it, I guess this was at the height of the two being at each others’ throats, so . . . . I don’t know.
If it is just stage play, it’s pretty good. And if it’s actual douchebag stage drama reality TV . . . . it’s even BETTER!!!
I don’t know enough about them at that time to weigh in. It actually looks fairly legit to me, and from various comments I’d read about it, I guess this was at the height of the two being at each others’ throats, so . . . . I don’t know.
If it is just stage play, it’s pretty good. And if it’s actual douchebag stage drama reality TV . . . . it’s even BETTER!!!
It could be legit. Manson has been fond of attacking his drummers and guitarists onstage for years. As early as '95, he was setting Sara Lee Lucas on fire and shoving Daisy Berkowitz offstage into the audience (other accounts that he also smashed also a guitar over Daisy’s head, but I dunno if that really happened because I think that would have caused fairly serious injuries…). After they both left, he moved onto Ginger, Zim Zum, and John.
[reply]That’s… wow. How do the other members of the band --Ginger, Zim Zum, John 5, Skold, and the rest-- figure in this?
They mostly don’t, other than being assaulted onstage by Manson. Most of their comments have been fairly mild, with John 5 being polite and restrained, Zim Zum and Fred Sablan saying virtually nothing, Chris Vrenna saying little other that Manson was the most difficult person he’s ever worked for, Tim Skold only throwing shade in a song, and Ginger Fish expressing concern for his health.
This is most likely because Manson, Daisy, Gidget, Twiggy, and Pogo knew each other pre-fame and were even friends of a sort once upon a time, so there was probably a lot of personal stuff mixed in with the business backstabbings. Or maybe they all gave each other a horrible case of syphilis and neglected to have treated, so it spread to their brains.[/reply]
The original guys were all legal members of the band, which makes things way more complicated. 5 and Zum and Skold and the rest of the newer guys were technically employees (see Paul Barker’s relationship to Ministry vs. Bill Rieflin’s).
May or may not be related, but . . . . this has always been one of my absolute favorite videos on YouTube. I can watch it 20 times in row and never stop laughing. Everything about it is so ridiculous and amazing.
I love how they’re both obviously afraid to have an actual fight, but John5 just gets bullied anyway. “Yeah, yeah, pick up your guitar, Bitch!” HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
My advice to John if ever in the same situation . . . just take Manson out and the shins or run around and get him tangled up. Once he falls down he will have a helluva time trying to get back up with those big dumb Frankenstein boots.
Such a great vid.
That vid has always made me laugh my ass off…from Manson’s little goose stepping dance move while wearing a stupid Mickey Mouse hat…to John 5 squaring up on him with a fighting stance that looks like a cartton character from the 30’s…I can picture him saying “C’mon put em up…put em up!!!”…and then the kick to the shin and Manson eventually just waving it off and giving up any pursuit of the matter…funny shit
That vid has always made me laugh my ass off…from Manson’s little goose stepping dance move while wearing a stupid Mickey Mouse hat…to John 5 squaring up on him with a fighting stance that looks like a cartton character from the 30’s…I can picture him saying “C’mon put em up…put em up!!!”…and then the kick to the shin and Manson eventually just waving it off and giving up any pursuit of the matter…funny shit
I wish I knew how to do cool techy nerd stuff for videos, because I feel like some old-timey Vaudeville sound effects and dub-overs taken from the likes of Three Stooges, Abbot and Costello, or Benny Hill could really yield something of great power and wonder.
I wish I knew how to do cool techy nerd stuff for videos, because I feel like some old-timey Vaudeville sound effects and dub-overs taken from the likes of Three Stooges, Abbot and Costello, or Benny Hill could really yield something of great power and wonder.
OK, it’s done. Finding free sound clips was a pain, though.
[reply]I wish I knew how to do cool techy nerd stuff for videos, because I feel like some old-timey Vaudeville sound effects and dub-overs taken from the likes of Three Stooges, Abbot and Costello, or Benny Hill could really yield something of great power and wonder.
OK, it’s done. Finding free sound clips was a pain, though.