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He’s calling it “the high end of low”
so twiggy’s back… skold is gone… madonna gacey is gone and replaced by chris vrenna… should be interesting
Might as well have called it A New High In Low…oh wait! Manson’s been very hit and miss to me since 2000. Found Holy Wood kinda pish, like the grotesque albim, and consider the last album garbage. I have hope for this to be good, but i have little faith. He seems to have taken the jougensen-route, but still on the junk. I hope at least the music is good though. In recent vids, he sounds so fucked up and like shit. And they’re considering this to Antichrist Superstar…shame.
I was waiting for this topic to appear on here because I didn’t feel like enduring the flames of posting it myself.
I’m really excited for the album, mainly because I think that the band faltered without Twiggy and with his help and Vrenna’s skills they can reclaim greatness and redeem the band in a lot of people’s eyes.
‘Golden Age of Grotesque’ and ‘Eat Me, Drink Me’ were decent albums, but lacked the extra layers and little tidbits to feel truly complete. ‘Eat Me, Drink Me’ in particular was more like a Marilyn Manson solo album. As a whole I don’t think they compare to the stuff with Twiggy.
Don’t forget Twiggy has worked with A Perfect Circle, NIN and his own project Goon Moon (which is pretty good for those who haven’t heard it…experimental wierdo rock with a Queens of the Stone Age on acid kind of vibe; not like his work with Manson at all). He has learned a over the past few years and will bring that to the new Manson album.
I’m not expecting anything similar to any of the old albums. Manson is a good hype man if nothing else. The ‘Antichrist Superstar’ comparisons are just to build anticipation, boost sales, and probably reflect a return to heavier songwriting in a sense, but not an attempt to recapture that sound. Also he’s booked on the Mayhem festival with Slayer and a bunch of cookie monster bands so that is a factor in his hyping the album the way he is.
EDIT - it should also be mentioned that Twiggy plays all stringed instruments on this CD and does programming, Vrenna does keys and programming and Ginger is tracking drums and probably doing programming as well. Vrenna is the one who recorded Manson’s vocals on ‘Antichrist Superstar’ and was involved in some other work for that album, so this is quite a musical lineup this time around. I wonder who the live guitarist will be?!?
manson wasn’t musically good for me since holy wood. don’t have any hopes for this upcoming album. will check how it turns out though.
I’ve found Manson to be more miss than hit since Mechanical Animals (and that album had its weak moments).
Don’t think they’ll ever match Antichrist Superstar. That is a quality album.
The only hope they had was to get Twiggy back so maybe it wont be too bad.
Just read that Alice in Chains will have a new album out in '09 too. Looking forward to that. DuVall is actually a better singer than Staley.
I think he’s been hit and miss since Mechanical Animals mostly miss but whatever!
I do admit, I’m looking forward to the new Manson though, if twiggy’s back, and the fact that there are strings on the album make me a little eager… I generally like when rock bands incorporate strings into their music.
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I was waiting for this topic to appear on here because I didn’t feel like enduring the flames of posting it myself.
I’m really excited for the album, mainly because I think that the band faltered without Twiggy and with his help and Vrenna’s skills they can reclaim greatness and redeem the band in a lot of people’s eyes.
‘Golden Age of Grotesque’ and ‘Eat Me, Drink Me’ were decent albums, but lacked the extra layers and little tidbits to feel truly complete. ‘Eat Me, Drink Me’ in particular was more like a Marilyn Manson solo album. As a whole I don’t think they compare to the stuff with Twiggy.
Don’t forget Twiggy has worked with A Perfect Circle, NIN and his own project Goon Moon (which is pretty good for those who haven’t heard it…experimental wierdo rock with a Queens of the Stone Age on acid kind of vibe; not like his work with Manson at all). He has learned a over the past few years and will bring that to the new Manson album.
I’m not expecting anything similar to any of the old albums. Manson is a good hype man if nothing else. The ‘Antichrist Superstar’ comparisons are just to build anticipation, boost sales, and probably reflect a return to heavier songwriting in a sense, but not an attempt to recapture that sound. Also he’s booked on the Mayhem festival with Slayer and a bunch of cookie monster bands so that is a factor in his hyping the album the way he is.
EDIT - it should also be mentioned that Twiggy plays all stringed instruments on this CD and does programming, Vrenna does keys and programming and Ginger is tracking drums and probably doing programming as well. Vrenna is the one who recorded Manson’s vocals on ‘Antichrist Superstar’ and was involved in some other work for that album, so this is quite a musical lineup this time around. I wonder who the live guitarist will be?!?
Guitarist-wise, I think it’s Wes Borland. He played with them pretty recently, so possibly him. Been hearing many things about him though…particularly the return of limp bizkit. I’d prefer him in manson, or better yet his “solo” band Black Light Burns. So my bet for manson is either Wes or some nobody like it’s been for the last couple years (since John 5) left. Or am I confusing bassists? I remember a no-name on guitar at one point, and another guy on bass who I never heard of…so egh…
Manson it seems to me has sucked ever since hes not riding on Trents coat tails. All I see is hype, no talent. His following was 13 to 15 y.o. pissed off white kids in the mid 90s.
Borland has said that he’s not on the album.
Anyway, I have hope for this one, since Skold is out and Twiggy’s in. Eat Me Drink Me was awful. We’ll see.
Everything through MA were terrific. Everything since has felt like a rehash. Actually Eat Me Drink Me was different in a sissy bad way. His show was a lot weaker than it used to be. Even the Antichrist stuff was not as good or I’m just too damn old.
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(clenches teeth and fists)
I really, really, really want to say something nasty and condescending here…but I guess I’ll just let it slide for once and see where this thread ends up going!
I like maybe a half dozen tracks combined from the first three albums, but that’s it. I’ve never understood the appeal of this guy.
I liked Manson because it was funny. I really enjoy their version of I put a spell on you or rock 'n roll nigger, the fast dirty rock 'n roll tracks in Antichrist and the funk in Mechanical Animals, but then I guess he starts to take him too seriously and it ruined it all. Twiggy’s back, and he’s done cool stuff with Goon Moon, but Manson is back too and he has done some pretty awful music. So… let’s see, but I don’t expect anything interesting.
Borland has said that he’s not on the album.
Anyway, I have hope for this one, since Skold is out and Twiggy’s in. Eat Me Drink Me was awful. We’ll see.
I know wes has nothing to do with the album, but it’s possibility for him to play live.
Wes Borland is no longer a part of Marilyn Manson. He rejoined Limp Bizkit (fucking pussy) and will be touring with them, as well as continuing with the rather generic Black Light Burns.
I saw Black Light Burns live last night opening for Combichrist. I asked the bassist and he confirmed that Wes will no longer work with Manson. He said Manson jipped him in regards to payment for his tenure as a live guitarist. He also said Manson’s fucked on drugs.
My guess is Wes is just a pussy and Manson probably did jip him so he and Twiggy could have a laugh.
It’s so pathetic that he was “too cool” for Limp Bizkit and tried to build up all this underground, hip credit only to go back for the money years later.
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(clenches teeth and fists)
I really, really, really want to say something nasty and condescending here…but I guess I’ll just let it slide for once and see where this thread ends up going!
Wow I’m so proud of you. Good job reminding us once again that you hate Manson unconditionally, but wording it in a new way so that it seemed like you had actually refrained from doing so.
Oh, and I heard Justin Broadrick masturbates to a pic of Manson above his bed every night. That’s where he got his sound from, you know? He’s been ripping Manson off for decades now…
I like maybe a half dozen tracks combined from the first three albums, but that’s it. I’ve never understood the appeal of this guy.
I’m with you. Maybe 8 or 9 though.
Just read that Alice in Chains will have a new album out in '09 too. Looking forward to that. DuVall is actually a better singer than Staley.
I definitely wouldn’t say better, maybe stonger. I’ve seen AIC 3x. Once w/ Layne and the last 2 w/ DuVall, and I will say he’s pretty f’ing good, but he’s no Layne Staley. Interested to hear new studio stuff. Much more so than Manson.
Borland has said that he’s not on the album.
However Borland and Trent Reznor have an album worth of unreleased studio stuff, as well as there being 9 other unreleased Damning Well tracks. It would be a shame if all of that didn’t surface at some point. I like the way Borland plays. Lots of harmonics and crunchy riffs. I really liked the DW track on the Underworld soundtrack. As a matter of fact, that whole cd was pretty good.
Somewhere somewhere SOMEWHERE deep down inside Manson’s brain there is a half decent album’s worth of material just waiting to come gushing out and surprise the fuck out of all the naysayers. Whether or not it actually ever happens is anyone’s guess. Although I don’t think you should be holding your breath right about now.
Anti-Christ Superstar and Mechanical Animals were - dare I even admit - good…ish in a disposable B Grade popcorn horror flick kinda way. I could even hum along to a few of those earlier period tracks while driving home from work. But everything else is just so dire, so pathetically desperate to offend someone ANYONE. Like a badder than bad sequel to a horror film that wasn’t particularly good or even scary in the first place.
And why does ‘Manson is fucked up on drugs and a money grubbing whore’ come as no big surprise? He’s become everything he claims to detest. More Marilyn than Manson if you know what I mean.
Give me Alice Cooper (circa 1973) anyday.
Once he finished milking everything he could from the original demo tapes, his albums definately suffered… i’m a fan but really… 1996 s just she isn’t my girlfriend sped up w/different lyrics. I miss the fun in his music… and i don’t mean the irony or anything… i mean like going on my computer and playing with the track in reverse and at various speeds and finding weird samples and stuff. It was all a big game in a way…
he probably did that to wes on purpose just to be an ass-hole manson tough guy thing that he does… like when he’ll be in an interview and say something like that shows an emotion “and don’t say anything or i’ll cut you”
i mean really…
Anti-Christ Superstar and Mechanical Animals were - dare I even admit - good…ish in a disposable B Grade popcorn horror flick kinda way.
That’s a bit harsh, no? maybe I’m just a simplistic listener but I really like both Albums; Machanical Over Superstar… but still like them both.
so pathetically desperate to offend someone ANYONE.
I certainly agree with this if we’re discussing his persona/stage antics.
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grmpysmrf