Looks Like Prongs is about to up its numbers...

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If you look at the meltdown at the PA over the set list I’m sure at least 8-10 people are Ripe for the Ban hammer. Where are they gonna go? Here. Christ Himself looks like he’s packing his stuff up for Prongs as I type.
Poor Bud the Chud & Mooney 138. They seem to be the only torch carriers over there…telling people to shut up about the set list. and at one point Mooney actually defending the set list by typing:

do you believe everything you read and hear, especially if it comes from Al

Ridiculous!!
Ministry Fiend (maggittooth) is definately on the way out (But he already posts here) surpirsed you’re not banned already…I got banned for less than you.
Late,
grmpysmrf

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MaggitTooth is superb!

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I see what you did there Melvins Fiend…

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I see what you did there Melvins Fiend…

Umm ,What? What Did I do there? I have posted there since raven Kicked off (hey raven and I were “kicked off” at the same time!!! :slight_smile: )
and when I was there I wasn’t “Melvin’s Fiend”
What are you writing about?
Late,
grmpysmrf

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Mr Smurf, you are parannoid. I wasn’t speaking to you…

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Mr Smurf, you are parannoid. I wasn’t speaking to you…

Oh. he he! Sorry bout that…I’m not paranoid. WHo said that?
Late,
grmpysmrf

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I see what you did there Melvins Fiend…

Yeah i’m da man!

Akbar…you and Melvins Fiend are pretty fuckin cool too my friend[cool]

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Drama queens!

FYI I wasn’t defending the set list. If you would have read on, I stated that I hope that they change it.

If you are going to quote me, quote all of what I said:

mooney138 speaking to christ himself -

"I disagree that I am missing the point. I can read and have read everyone’s discord and dissension.

Let me ask you this: Have you ever met Al in person; and do you believe everything you read and hear, especially if it comes from Al?"

Translation: I’ve met Al in person, and I know he’s full of shit!

It’s not a secret; everyone else knows he’s full of shit too.

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Drama queens!

FYI I wasn’t defending the set list. If you would have read on, I stated that I hope that they change it.[/quote]

the hell you were… Repost the whole thread you will see you that you were trying to bash people for voicing their discontent with it. THEN you try to bust in on how you’ve met al which gives reason for the crappy set list. non sequitor much?

If you are going to quote me, quote all of what I said:

why? the whole post doesn’t change the content of what you wrote… really it just seemed to brag that you’ve met Al (good for you) and try to support the set list (which really sucks) Your whole post is not necessary to see that what you wrote was meaningless

[quote]mooney138 speaking to christ himself -

"I disagree that I am missing the point. I can read and have read everyone’s discord and dissension.

Let me ask you this: Have you ever met Al in person; and do you believe everything you read and hear, especially if it comes from Al?"

Translation: I’ve met Al in person, and I know he’s full of shit!

It’s not a secret; everyone else knows he’s full of shit too.

seems to me what i quoted from you is still in context… what’s you problem?
Late,
grmpysmrf

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grmps,

I told them to shut up because they didn’t consider all the facts of the situation before jumping on the sheep wagon.

Basically, stop bitching about it and do something to change it. If you can’t change it yourself, stop bitching about it and find someone else who can change it.

16 different people will interpret the same thing 16 different ways. Read into it whatever you want. If you think I’m a hypocrite, so be it. One way or the other, I really don’t give three shits.

Prior to the ban stick reaching out and touching you, I did try to save your sorry arse when you posted the unmentionables and wouldn’t let it go even after explaining “why” to you.

You didn’t listen then, and you are not listening now.

My official statement concerning the set list and shows:
The main reason I am going is to go with my friends to have a good time, not solely for the music (this was posted in another thread: http://www.pissarmy.com/viewtopic.php?t=19792&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20). I don’t care what Al plays as long as he plays something and the Ministry portion of the show is at least 1.25 hours. However, I do wish the set list would change because there are a few songs I would love to hear played live with me there in person.

Have you read, listened to, or watched any interviews with Al? You really don’t have to meet Al in person to know he’s full of shit! I can confirm it and so can many many more people - even people on prongs (shocking! yes, people on prongs have met Al also!). Wake up!

Did you find the thread where I posted about where I met Mrs. Jay too?

They are people, just like the rest of us. Al just happens to be a big bull shitter.

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Me saying that the setlist is unaceptable and defending my opinion with tooth and claws won’t make me leave the PA, what the fuck are you thinking? I hate the setlist, not the band. Get it?

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grmps,

I told them to shut up because they didn’t consider all the facts of the situation before jumping on the sheep wagon.[/quote]

first off, no you didn’t I’ve read the thread. funny you would call it the “sheep wagon” considering your position on this matter. #2 what are all of the facts?

Basically, stop bitching about it and do something to change it. If you can’t change it yourself, stop bitching about it and find someone else who can change it.

Like who? Al is the one that decides the set list. “so bitching” at the Pa would be the most likely course of getting the ear of “someone that can go about changing it.” But according to you they need to shut up

16 different people will interpret the same thing 16 different ways. Read into it whatever you want. If you think I’m a hypocrite, so be it. One way or the other, I really don’t give three shits.

It would seem everybody is interpreting you the same way rather than “16 different ways”… Your writing isn’t cryptic… it’s actually very easy to understand. don’t sit their and tell us you meant something different when it’s right there on the screen. NOW if you’re telling us you are having trouble expressing yourself in your writing that is understandable. perhaps an English course at a community college could help you with that but i doubt that’s the problem seeing as how you are having no problem expressing yourself accurately now. so i chalk it up to revisionist history on your part

Prior to the ban stick reaching out and touching you, I did try to save your sorry arse when you posted the unmentionables and wouldn’t let it go even after explaining “why” to you.

You telling me to “stop asking” is neither saving my ass nor telling me why. and definately NOT ACCEPTABLE for a band that claims to put soo much stock in truth

You didn’t listen then, and you are not listening now.

i listened to you then i just ignored your advice. I’m listening to you now and what you write now compared to what you wrote over at pa is different

My official statement concerning the set list and shows:
The main reason I am going is to go with my friends to have a good time, not solely for the music (this was posted in another thread: http://www.pissarmy.com/viewtopic.php?t=19792&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20). I don’t care what Al plays as long as he plays something and the Ministry portion of the show is at least 1.25 hours. However, I do wish the set list would change because there are a few songs I would love to hear played live with me there in person.

so one post where you write that. compared to how many other posts rallying against exactly that? silly. “your official stance” so all of your other posts that are counterproductive to you official stance is just you stirring the pot? besides that; so you are ok with being lied to? this is exactly what Al complains about with bush in his last 3 albums. Most people are not ok with that which is why they have chosen to voice their discontent at the pa…trying to get somebody’s attention to change it

Have you read, listened to, or watched any interviews with Al? You really don’t have to meet Al in person to know he’s full of shit! I can confirm it and so can many many more people - even people on prongs (shocking! yes, people on prongs have met Al also!). Wake up!

Did you find the thread where I posted about where I met Mrs. Jay too?

Al? MrsJ? who are they? give me a break!!
Name dropping!! who cares? good for you.

[quote]They are people, just like the rest of us. Al just happens to be a big bull shitter.

right. they are people just like the rest of us so i would expect them (especially angie since i don’t really know al since i’ve had no dialogue with him) to not act so high and mighty like they are better than us. specifically angie. perhaps if she treated the fans better she wouldn’t be all pissed off all the time. That’s her own doing.

To pass al off as a “bullshitter” is ridiculous. so any one can pass off pres bush by saying “anyone that knows bush knows that he’s a bullshitter and a secret holder that’s just him.” totally lets the air out of Als last three albums. still doesn’t make it right. also before you run off on the non-sequitor that is “comparing a rock band and a treasoness president is hyperbole” I say to you that isn’t really the point now is it? it’s the point of justifying lying no matter how big or small. bullshitter and Liar have a 4 mile wide line. perhaps Al should come back to the side of bullshitter

The bear

Me saying that the setlist is unaceptable and defending my opinion with tooth and claws won’t make me leave the PA, what the fuck are you thinking? I hate the setlist, not the band. Get it?

well #1 you’re here. and #2 whether you stay or go from the PA, if you continue your specific opinionated posts. may not be up to you at all. get my drift? perhaps you should fall in line with mooney if you want to “make the choice” to stay. I wasn’t saying you were all gonna get fed up and leave i was saying you were all gonna get the boot! just be careful is all i’m saying.
BTW The bear, I’ve been wanting to ask this for a while: your signature over at PA, "if you’re gonna be a bear… be a grizzly"Cannon Ball Run quotes? Really? really i thought mad dogs impression of Nixon was much better for a sig.
Late,
grmpysmrf

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My signature, that was the bottom note of an old note Al wrote to Jim Nash. Simple as that. Conspiracy sucks.

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There are more set list posts that I made in other threads. You are referencing the one post in one thread where I said that the set list could be much worse. I get it, grumps. Because I said that the set list could be much worse, I’m now a hypocrite. Whatever.

The facts: The set lists are inconsistent; the band is ill; Tommy has broken ribs; the fence has made an appearance; someone got busted for weed at the border, resulting in a late start time; Stigmata, Watch Yourself, and Worthless have been in the set list; and Al stops singing and Burton starts singing at the first encore.

Show #1: Spokane - Stephanie reports a few songs that were played. She couldn’t remember the entire set list, but she said the show rocked. She speaks of the following:

Stigmata
Death and Destruction (Stephanie can’t confirm or deny)
Just Got Paid
Just One Fix
Worthless

Show #2: Calgary - Ministry did not take the stage until after 11:00 PM. There was a delay at the Canadian Border due to “an issue” with Meshuggah.
Tommy Victor slipped and broke two ribs.

SinisterMinister and eargogglez both posted this set list:

Let’s Go
The Dick Song
Watch Yourself
Life Is Good
The Last Sucker
No W
Waiting
Worthless
Wrong
Rio Grande Blood
Senor Peligro
LiesLiesLies
Khyber Pass

1st encore: (Burton Bell sings all songs from here on)
NWO
Just One Fix
Thieves

2nd encore:
Roadhouse Blues (The Doors)
Just Got Paid (ZZ Top)
Under My Thumb (The Rolling Stones)

Show #3 and #4: Vancouver, B.C. - There were conflicting reports on the set list from these two shows. Some said Stigmata and What About Us? while others said no Stigmata and What About Us?. The fence makes its debut.

Show #5: Seattle - Tim and Stacey talked to Sin and Tony. They post about Tommy’s broken ribs, the band being ill, Al having a soar throat, and an issue crossing into Canada.

10:08 Let’s go!
10:13 Dick song
10:20 Watch yourself
10:25 Life is good
10:29 Last sucker- drums kicked serious ass!
10:35 The last sucker (No W)
10:40 Waiting
10:46 Worthless
10:49 Wrong
10:55 Rio Grande Blood
11:00 Senior Peligro
11:04 Lies Lie Lies
11:09 Khyber pass

First encore
11:23 NWO - Burton Bell
11:28 Just One Fix - Burton Bell
11:30 Thieves - Al

Second Encore
11:42 Roadhouse - Burton
11:?? Just Got Paid - Burton
??? Under My Thumb - Burton

Show #6: Portland - Scoops reports this set list

  1. Lets Go
  2. The Dick Song
  3. Life is Good
  4. No W
  5. Rio Grande Blood
  6. Waiting
  7. Wrong
  8. Señor Peligro
  9. Lies Lies Lies
  10. The Last Sucker
  11. Khyber Pass

With Burton C. Bell
12. N.W.O
13. Just One Fix
14. Thieves
15. Roadhouse Blues
16. Just Got Paid
17. Under My Thumb

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notice how close all of the full set lists are and the supposed playing of any old songs outside of nwo, one fix, and thieves are just thrown out there without full lists. i’d say it is wishful thinking that as of right now any old songs get played besides these 3.

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Unfortunately, the PA PM inbox has more space allocated than the PM sent box. Thus, I do not have any of the text that I sent you in PMs. However, here are your replies to my messages:

From: grmpysmrf
To: mooney138
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: the law suit

I saw the postings on Prongs I just wondered if I approached it as an “idiot” (What with the posting it as a question I sort of already knew the answer to) how long the thread would stay up so far it’s been a couple of hours. also if they continue to censor/ban people how long do you think the fan base will stay around…Since you point out that Mrs. Jay is a busniess woman she should understand that she can’t afford NOT to have several us die hard members buying their schwag! or boycotting their label! I easily spend a couple hundred dollars a year on ministry and Al related projects and I’m sure I’m not the only one on this board that does this as well
Anyway THanks for the message
Late,
Nathan

From: grmpysmrf
To: mooney138
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: the law suit

holy crap!?! They kicked off a mod? Cause he posted or wouldn’t delete? You are right about the die hards alsways coming back… But as far as buying schwaggg from the website and knowing about releases and promos and what not that cash flow WOULD stop or at least not com in in the speed they are accustomed to because I for one would stop buying from them and give $ to an outlet store and probably buy scalped ebay tickets so my money wouldn’t go directly to them… there’s.
What’s funny is I wanted to title thread “if al has nothing to hide, why is he afraid to answer a few questions” but I knew that would’ve got deleted pronto! so I went the innocent approach… Nice dialogue with you!
Late,
Nathan

From: grmpysmrf
To: mooney138
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: the law suit

not bad… made it 6 hours before it was removed
late,
nathan

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There are more set list posts that I made in other threads. You are referencing the one post in one thread where I said that the set list could be much worse. I get it, grumps. Because I said that the set list could be much worse, I’m now a hypocrite. Whatever.[/quote]

Um, no I’m referencing the bazillion posts where you stephanie, and chud (among 2-3 others) talk down to the other members through your puckered lips. boy you’re stuck on me thinking your a hypocrit…I don’t. I think your a status clinger.

The facts: The set lists are inconsistent;

It’s consistant in that it’s all new shit rather than homage to the music that got them to the new shit. Farewell tour = a tip of the hat to the fans and a nod to the beloved songs.
c u la tour = promoting their new album tour NOT FAREWELL TOUR

the band is ill; Tommy has broken ribs; the fence has made an appearance; someone got busted for weed at the border, resulting in a late start time; Stigmata, Watch Yourself, and Worthless have been in the set list; and Al stops singing and Burton starts singing at the first encore.

So what? what does all of that have to do with the absence of The fall, Filth Pig, So What, Burning Inside, shove, psalm 69, Supermanic Soul, Step, etc etc…

Show #1: Spokane - Stephanie reports a few songs that were played. She couldn’t remember the entire set list, but she said the show rocked. She speaks of the following:

Stigmata
Death and Destruction (Stephanie can’t confirm or deny)
Just Got Paid
Just One Fix
Worthless

This means nothing. SO WHAT? 2 crappy covers 1 New song and and 2 old Stand-byes. yeah. that definately spans their 30 year career. 2/5 isn’t even 50%. Get real!

Show #2: Calgary - Ministry did not take the stage until after 11:00 PM. There was a delay at the Canadian Border due to “an issue” with Meshuggah.
Tommy Victor slipped and broke two ribs.

SinisterMinister and eargogglez both posted this set list:

Let’s Go
NEW

The Dick Song
New

Watch Yourself
new

Life Is Good
New

The Last Sucker
New

No W
New

Waiting
New

Worthless
New

Wrong
New

Rio Grande Blood
New

Senor Peligro
New

LiesLiesLies
New

Khyber Pass
New

1st encore: (Burton Bell sings all songs from here on)
NWO
Just One Fix
Thieves

Great! I paid Ministry prices to watch some other DUDE sing those songs Great. Pretty sure it was billed as MINISTRY not MINISTRY COVER BAND

2nd encore:
Roadhouse Blues (The Doors)
Just Got Paid (ZZ Top)
Under My Thumb (The Rolling Stones)

Again, Paid to see MINISTRY not Ministry plays all of the songs you normally hate

Show #3 and #4: Vancouver, B.C. - There were conflicting reports on the set list from these two shows. Some said Stigmata and What About Us? while others said no Stigmata and What About Us?. The fence makes its debut.

NO STIGMATA. NO WHAT ABOUT US? Besides Al won’t plan WAU? Not with all of the Die Hards Metaphorically screaming that to him about him turning his back on that crowd.

Show #5: Seattle - Tim and Stacey talked to Sin and Tony. They post about Tommy’s broken ribs, the band being ill, Al having a soar throat, and an issue crossing into Canada.

Again has NO BEARING on the Set.

[quote]10:08 Let’s go!
10:13 Dick song
10:20 Watch yourself
10:25 Life is good
10:29 Last sucker- drums kicked serious ass!
10:35 The last sucker (No W)
10:40 Waiting
10:46 Worthless
10:49 Wrong
10:55 Rio Grande Blood
11:00 Senior Peligro
11:04 Lies Lie Lies
11:09 Khyber pass

First encore
11:23 NWO - Burton Bell
11:28 Just One Fix - Burton Bell
11:30 Thieves - Al

Second Encore
11:42 Roadhouse - Burton
11:?? Just Got Paid - Burton
??? Under My Thumb - Burton

Show #6: Portland - Scoops reports this set list

  1. Lets Go
  2. The Dick Song
  3. Life is Good
  4. No W
  5. Rio Grande Blood
  6. Waiting
  7. Wrong
  8. Señor Peligro
  9. Lies Lies Lies
  10. The Last Sucker
  11. Khyber Pass

With Burton C. Bell
12. N.W.O
13. Just One Fix
14. Thieves
15. Roadhouse Blues
16. Just Got Paid
17. Under My Thumb

Yeah cause all of these set lists are SOOOO different. Since your here to obviously set us all straight…What’s your point to all of this?
Late,
grmpysmrf

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Unfortunately, the PA PM inbox has more space allocated than the PM sent box. Thus, I do not have any of the text that I sent you in PMs. However, here are your replies to my messages:

From: grmpysmrf
To: mooney138
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 2:43 pm
Subject: Re: the law suit

I saw the postings on Prongs I just wondered if I approached it as an “idiot” (What with the posting it as a question I sort of already knew the answer to) how long the thread would stay up so far it’s been a couple of hours. also if they continue to censor/ban people how long do you think the fan base will stay around…Since you point out that Mrs. Jay is a busniess woman she should understand that she can’t afford NOT to have several us die hard members buying their schwag! or boycotting their label! I easily spend a couple hundred dollars a year on ministry and Al related projects and I’m sure I’m not the only one on this board that does this as well
Anyway THanks for the message
Late,
Nathan

From: grmpysmrf
To: mooney138
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: the law suit

holy crap!?! They kicked off a mod? Cause he posted or wouldn’t delete? You are right about the die hards alsways coming back… But as far as buying schwaggg from the website and knowing about releases and promos and what not that cash flow WOULD stop or at least not com in in the speed they are accustomed to because I for one would stop buying from them and give $ to an outlet store and probably buy scalped ebay tickets so my money wouldn’t go directly to them… there’s.
What’s funny is I wanted to title thread “if al has nothing to hide, why is he afraid to answer a few questions” but I knew that would’ve got deleted pronto! so I went the innocent approach… Nice dialogue with you!
Late,
Nathan

From: grmpysmrf
To: mooney138
Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: the law suit

not bad… made it 6 hours before it was removed
late,
nathan

so? again what’s your point? supports what i said in my earlier reply… If your dear leader wasn’t such a bitch and kicking people off for bullshit (shit she knows is bullshit) i could access my inbox as well and get your messages as well… and? nothing i haven’t written isn’t true. I chose to ignore your advice, Angie chose to become what her husband professes to hate. this marriage is doomed. what else is there?
Late,
grmpysmrf

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The point is nothing is set in stone yet and there are extenuating circumstances.

You said my posts are not cryptic and pretty easy to understand, but you keep asking me what is my point.

The point is I did eventually tell you why, not just to stop. You made your choice. There is nobody to blame but yourself.

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Jizzy,

The only thing oversized here is your ego.