don’t see any thread about this… so I tought I have to start one.
he 2 new dudes… one looks like Tomy Lee and the other looks like a drugdealer-murderer-been-to-jail-for-10-years-dude…
what do you other people have to say about them.
what do they do?
As far as I’m concerned, I think that to have Tommy Victor (Prong, Danzig) and Paul Raven (Killing Joke, Prong, Godflesh) in the new line-up sounds very interesting/exciting. Concerning Joey Jordison being part of the up-coming live line-up… hum… why not?
Tommy Victor, Al Jourgensen, Paul Raven
Paul Raven, Mark Baker, Al Jourgensen, Tommy Victor
I hope they contribute to the writing process. Otherwise I suspect it’s going to sound just like Houses of the Mole II.
Sounds like its could be a nice collaboration. Id like to see Buckethead on guitar instead but only cause Ive been listening to him too much lately.
Its a good line up and it could work very well, but what the fuck is Victor doing trying to sport the Tommy Lee look. He looks like an arse
Wow. I guess I haven’t seen a photo of Raven in quite a while. It doesn’t even look like him anymore (well, compared to KJ’s videos around the Night Time/Brighter era). Crazy. I’m excited that he’s in the band, as I really like his bass on the KJ albums (Uh, Paul, lose the silly pit bull shirt, really). No opinion about the guy from Prong, as I’m not familiar with their music.
Has Al lost weight, or are those other guys just huge?
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Wow. I guess I haven’t seen a photo of Raven in quite a while. It doesn’t even look like him anymore…
I can testify, it’s really him.
Just the same as when I saw him last time Killing Joke played live here, two months ago…
Wow. I guess I haven’t seen a photo of Raven in quite a while. It doesn’t even look like him anymore (well, compared to KJ’s videos around the Night Time/Brighter era). Crazy. I’m excited that he’s in the band, as I really like his bass on the KJ albums
LOL
you saying he looks different to photo of him 20 years ago? [;)]
i saw him this year when KJ came out to sydney, that was awsome…
looking at those photos though… i think Als been in texas to long. I think their next photo should look something like this:
Raven is really awesome and I cant think of anyone who could be a more suitable replacement for Barker than him. Victor can write some good riffs and knows how to get that ultra-heavy sound from his guitar; however, its not like Al cant write riffs so I’m guessing Tommy’s involvement will be limited to just playing.
I have to say I am hyped about this line-up although still calling it Ministry is a bit weird. They should make it into a side project.
He he, yah, I’m just surprised because he looks like a completely different person. Jaz’s appearance has changed, too, but I can still tell it’s him. I think the last KJ video I watched was No Way Out But Forward Go, so that image, and the Brighter poster that’s just currently in my view in the music room are fresh in my mind, so the new pics were a bit of a shock.
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They look like the kind of band that would feature on the front cover of Terrorizer magazine…just one in a long line of look-a-likes.
As a band they have definitely lost their identity. Dunno what’s up with this whole ‘tough guy’ thing they’re trying to promote. Pointless, uninspired…where are the super model biker babes that should be hanging off each arm??
What’s Paul Barker up to now anyway…maybe we should concentrate on him, seeing as Al seems to be going through a Motley Crue phase.
(I have never been to Texas)
As a band they have definitely lost their identity. Dunno what’s up with this whole ‘tough guy’ thing they’re trying to promote. Pointless, uninspired…where are the super model biker babes that should be hanging off each arm??
i really don’t see a tough guy image. al looks the same as always. i’m pretty sure these guys probably dress like that at home, and the tattoos are real 
the cheeky grins are probably real too. i suppose it might’ve been more interesting if they were all in pink tutus, but i suppose that’d be more a revco thing.
What’s Paul Barker up to now anyway…maybe we should concentrate on him,
Yeah, lets concentrate on some glorified bassist/talentless hack bastard who has gone on to do _________ and of course _________ since leaving Ministry. Or how could we forget the wonderful ________ that he contributed to? How could Al let such a talented musician go?
We should start some kind of online E-Street fan club in honor of Barker. Maybe call is the Ditz Army or the Swiss Miss Army, or something clever like that.
Hahahaha you’ll rue those words! Paul Barker is a mad scientific genius and Pink Anvil is the greatest band in the world!
No seriously Prongs IS the Barker fanclub! We hate Al Jurgenston or whatever the fuck his name is and we hate Ministry. Now that our savior Paul is gone Ministry is a bunch of mindless cavemen riffing away. Who seriously uses GUITARS any more? Paul was the brain behind all the glory years.
But now Reverend Barker is too cutting edge to actually make music!!! Silence is the new avant-garde post-industrial genre for the Prongs elite.
Go listen to obscure Lead Into Gold songs to hear the true messiah of rock n’ roll.
It’s basically:
Some Old Classical Dudes -->Elvis–>The Beatles–>
Lead Into Gold–>Pink Anvil–>“Stolen” from Animositisomina because that is the greatest song ever (yes, better than “Freebird”)
BARKER FAN CLUB
I hope they contribute to the writing process. Otherwise I suspect it’s going to sound just like Houses of the Mole II.
Er, don’t you mean Psalm 71 (or Psalm 69 pt III: The Dream Warrior??).
Hate to be the sourpuss, but since when have Tommy Victor or Paul Raven been responsible for memorable songwriting. In Victor’s case - well I think Prong are pretty fucken embarrassing and he did absolutely diddly squat to save Danzig’s last few albums from complete and utter disaster. The guy has no cred!! Get rid of him tomorrow, please.
And as for Raven, does he do anything other than stand around looking mean??
Bring back Barker, we miss his geekdom, his flair for experimentalism and his finesse in the recording studio. Oh hell, it’ll never happen. I may as well keep on fantasising about Chuck Mosely reforming the original Faith No More lineup!
Prong’s “Rude Awakening” (the one with Raven on bass) is IMO a really great album and Tommy only played guitar on the last Danzig album where his guitar tone was the only thing that saved that album from being completely unlistenable.
Personally, I couldnt care less what they look like. They are musicians, remember?
I can only say i´m looking forward to what might come out of this gathering.
Big fan of Prong. They were without a doubt at their best with Raven on bass - Cleansing to Rude Awakening(underrated album btw). So having those to chaps in the studio - I hope they influence the album. Al maybe needs that extra influence…
Before being part of Prong as a full member, Paul Raven did one or two remixes on the ‘Whose Fist Is It Anyway?’ EP from 1992. Good EP by the way… Jim Thirwell (Foetus) contributed on it too…
Yeah, lets concentrate on some glorified bassist/talentless hack bastard who has gone on to do _________ (Pink Anvil) and of course _________(not be a junkie) since leaving Ministry. Or how could we forget the wonderful ________(17 Years?) that he contributed to? How could Al let such a talented musician go?
I’m freaking sick of this shit. No, I’m not Paul’s little bitch, but if you can’t see what he did towards the “sound” of Ministry for nearly the entire run of the band, your hearing should be revoked. I’m one of the four people that actually liked Houses of the Mole (most of it, anyway), and even I can see that there is now something…intangible, almost…missing from the music that used to be there. I fully support Al in whatever he chooses to do, but why can’t I be a fan of Paul’s as well? Fuck, between the two, I’d much rather hang out with Paul, to be honest. No, he’s not the greatest bass player in the world. Who cares? Did you like their albums? Then shut it.
P.S. Prong (the band, not the website) sucks putrid shit. I really expected more from the “Ministry Elite.” I mean, come on! Will the next lineup (yes, there will be another) feature “those awesome dudes” from Stabbing Westward? Oh, maybe the Linkin Park guys will help out, that’d be killer! Am I the only one upset here? Hell, I’d rather listen to Pink Anvil than most of the other stuff from 2003. It’s an interesting album, surely not for everyone here, but there can’t be any comparison between that and Al’s recent output. I’ll lap up the upcoming Ministry and Revco releases like any good acolyte, but give some respect where it’s due.
Hahahaha you’ll rue those words! Paul Barker is a mad scientific genius and Pink Anvil is the greatest band in the world!
So are you in charge of T-shirt designs, or am I going to have to do that? Lets not forget those Barker condoms. We don’t want Barker fans procreating, just in case they find something other than a rubber woman to mate with, or if the hooker decides not to abort the seed. Nothing screams anti-sexuality like Barker’s image on a condom.
And how could I forget Pink Anvil? Must be selective memory.
What record label blew its allowance on that garbage anyways? They must have figured a collaboration between Barker and Al’s other lap dog, Max Brody, would be an instant classic. Anything masterminded between the two while on a romantic excursion with the name Pink in the band name had to be some underground classic in the making? Oh, and it climaxed in a one day recording session on Halloween night. Oooooh, how innovative and scary! No wonder the pained, black nail polish wearing nerds were all over that album!!! Was Patton disappointed when he had to cut his losses after 14 album sales?