Discuss.
I believe that totally. I do not, however, still smoke dope since I’ve gone off the booze because I don’t trust myself to stay off the booze if I’m high. I miss it at times (as I do whiskey) but every choice has it’s price.
I thought this was common sense?!
Late,
grmpysmrf
Bill Hicks did a good bit about this.
In my case, not so.
I react pretty badly to hallucinogens, even weed and salvia. Seriously, I can count on one hand the number of “good” trips I’ve had amongst the many painful to outright horrid ones I’ve had.
Think I’ll stick to booze and the occasional smoke.
I don’t think cannabis is safer than smoking cigarettes. Well heavy marijuana use. I think a joint contains the tar of 5 cigarettes in one go. It’s more dangerous for your lungs than smoking.
But cigarettes - well, there’s not even a high there…
I already knew that. Its this whole system that is telling everyone not to smoke dope or your a criminal or something, that is not true, in moderation its good. Only the mentally weak give in to pot and ruin their lives. Cigarettes on the other hand are legal, cos i think they want people to die from cigarette related diseases for fear of overpopulation.
I don’t think cannabis is safer than smoking cigarettes. Well heavy marijuana use. I think a joint contains the tar of 5 cigarettes in one go. It’s more dangerous for your lungs than smoking…
I was always under the impression that the tar in Weed is “safer” because it’s not laced with a gazillion carcinogens the way Cigarettes are… so even though there is more of it, it’s not as bad for you, it’s a clogging agent rather than a cancer clogging agent the way cigs are.
Late,
grmpysmrf
The tar from a joint is ridiculously high, hence the reason it takes so long to get it out of your system.
In my case occasionally smoking weed is a lot less dangerous than smoking cigarettes because at the end of the day I can leave a bong sitting there but not a cigarette.
As for alcohol, I have an addictive personality but I manage to control it.
I was always under the impression that the tar in Weed is “safer” because it’s not laced with a gazillion carcinogens the way Cigarettes are…
Eventually America is going to have to give up going after pot. It’s not worth it anymore. I haven’t smoked in over 2 years, but I’m still glad I’m in a state where it’s been mostly decriminalized (small possession anyways is equivalent to a parking ticket). I’m guessing most non-southern states will follow suit in the near future.
There might be as much tar in a single joint as there is in 5 cigarettes but honestly, how many people do you know that smoke 4-5 joints a day? Meanwhile, smoking a pack of cigarettes a day is not that uncommon.
Besides, there was a study some time ago that suggested marijuana tar not to be causing cancer at all http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR2006052501729_pf.html In summary, THC kills cells before they become cancerous, so smoking weed might actually protect from lung cancer, instead of causing it!!
Personally, I like to smoke once in a while; however, it is not my drug of choice most of the time. The problem with weed is that it makes you lazy and there is no hangover so nothing stops you from just being perpetually high and inactive. While I appreciate this sort of thing when Im on vacation, it is no good for ordinary life. I’d much rather get drunk and then regret it the next morning.
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I was always under the impression that the tar in Weed is “safer” because it’s not laced with a gazillion carcinogens the way Cigarettes are…
Wow! that means for roughly 8-9 mos i was smoking abot 4 1/2 packs a day!!! I could knock out 3-4 bowls a day and those weren’t “light bowls” they would always be packed!
I haven’t smoked in almost 4 years, I wonder if my lungs have repaired themselves or if i have done irrepairable damage to myself? [:(]
although when i go through my work out phases i have no problem knocking out 3 miles at 10 minutes a mile… I guess i’ll know in 50 years
Late,
grmpysmrf
How many cigarettes per pack in America?
3-4 bowls would be 4x5=20 cigarettes, which is one pack here in Europe.
How many cigarettes per pack in America?
3-4 bowls would be 4x5=20 cigarettes, which is one pack here in Europe.
Oh man, my bowls were bigger than one joint. they were more like 3-4 joints. so each bowl was like a pack of cigarettes and 3-4 packs a day?? yikes!!
Although, like you I’ve read that weed is a lung cleaner so i’m wondering how the tar fits in with it being a lung cleaner… weed stays in your system for so long because it stores in your fat cells not your lung cells…
Late,
grmpysmrf
How many cigarettes per pack in America?
3-4 bowls would be 4x5=20 cigarettes, which is one pack here in Europe.
yeah 20 cigs for a pack here in the US. There are many people who smoke 4-5 joints/bowls a day, you’d be surprised. In Amsterdam alone, where it’s more frowned on to smoke tobacco than grass.
grmpysmrf, if you’re not old and haven’t contracted any lung diseases, and have stopped smoking, you’re fine. You need to smoke more than a few months for that stuff to stick with you. I smoked cigarettes for a bit and I don’t think my lungs will ever get back to what they could be. But exercise certainly helps - I hear this is good in clearing up the lungs a bit and deep breathing.
How can anything you inhale to your lungs besides fresh air be a lung cleaner? That argument, which I’ve heard, never made sense to me. Biologically it makes no logical sense. You certainly would not get many doctors backing that study (which does not go into great detail, and surely you need more than 1200 people for a study like that).
If this were true, then tobacco smokers could smoke a joint or two a day and stop lung cancer problems. Tar is tar whether from cigarettes or joints. Why would vaporizers be in existence if there was absolutely no threat?
Anyhow, with smoking any type of drug, whether it be nicotine or grass, lung cancer isn’t the only threat. In fact, they say if you get lung cancer you are pretty lucky, as you’ve beat the cardio diseases.
grmpysmrf, if you’re not old and haven’t contracted any lung diseases, and have stopped smoking, you’re fine. You need to smoke more than a few months for that stuff to stick with you. I smoked cigarettes for a bit and I don’t think my lungs will ever get back to what they could be. But exercise certainly helps - I hear this is good in clearing up the lungs a bit and deep breathing.
Well I’m 32 now I don’t know if that’s what you mean by old. I smoked (weed only, never smoked anything else except for the occasional cigar, that i wouldn’t inhale-even still smoke the occasional cigar- and still don’t inhale) for 2 years but really heavy the last 8-9 months then quit cold turkey.
So in terms of life I was young, but in terms of people when they start smoking, I was extremely ancient. everyone I knew did that shit when they were teens, here I was at 25…
Late,
grmpysmrf
There might be as much tar in a single joint as there is in 5 cigarettes but honestly, how many people do you know that smoke 4-5 joints a day?
More than I’d care to admit, honestly…
There might be as much tar in a single joint as there is in 5 cigarettes but honestly, how many people do you know that smoke 4-5 joints a day?
More than I’d care to admit, honestly…
Ditto
Da Errb kicks major ass for many reasons. Obviously it’s not for everyone though. What really pisses me off is straight out lies in the media with regards to it. There have been numerous “indepth” unbiased studies into the ganja and many interesting things have come to light. Sadly not much of the info is available in the mainstream media. I’m sure many of yo have heard Jello Biafra’s spoken word peice Grow More Pot. Anyway the particular book he talks about “Emperor Wears No Clothes” by Jack Herer is essential for a better understanding of the coolest and most important plant on the planet.
Here’s a link for the book where you can check out the chapters and underneath that is a few bits from it…
http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html
"Cannabis is the best natural expectorant to clear the human lungs of smog, dust and the phlegm associated with tobacco use.
Marijuana smoke effectively dilates the airways of the lungs, the bronchi, opening them to allow more oxygen into the lungs. It is also the best natural dilator of the tiny airways of the lungs, the bronchial tubes - making cannabis the best overall bronchial dilator for 80% of the population (the remaining 20% sometimes show minor negative reactions).
(See section on asthma - a disease that closes these passages in spasms - UCLA Tashkin studies, 1969-97; U.S. Costa Rican, 1980-82; Jamaican studies 1969-74,76.)
Statistical evidence - showing up consistently as anomalies in matched populations -indicates that people who smoke tobacco cigarettes are usually better off and will live longer if they smoke cannabis moderately, too. (Jamaican, Costa Rican studies.)
Millions of Americans have given up or avoided smoking tobacco products in favor of cannabis, which is not good news to the powerful tobacco lobby. A turn-of-the-century grandfather clause in U.S. tobacco law allows 400 to 6,000 additional chemicals to be added. Additions since then to the average tobacco cigarette are unknown, and the public in the U.S. has no right to know what they are.
Many joggers and marathon runners feel cannabis use cleans their lungs, allowing better endurance.
The evidence indicates that cannabis use will probably increase these outlaw American marijuana-users’ lives by about one to two years - yet they may lose their rights, property, children, state licenses, etc., just for using that safest of substances: cannabis.
More than 15 million Americans are affected by asthma. Smoking cannabis (the “raw drug” as the AMA called it) would be beneficial for 80% of them and add 30-60 million person-years in the aggregate of extended life to current asthmatics over presently legal toxic medicines such as the Theophylline prescribed to children.
“Taking a hit of marijuana has been known to stop a full blown asthma attack.” (Personal communication with Dr. Donald Tashkin, December 12, 1989 and December 1, 1997.) The use of cannabis for asthmatics goes back thousands of years in literature. American doctors of the last century wrote glowing reports in medical papers that asthma sufferers of the world would ”bless” Indian hemp (cannabis) all their lives.
Today, of the 16 million American asthma sufferers, only Californians, with a doctor’s recommendation, can legally grow and use cannabis medicines, even though it is generally the most effective treatment for asthma. "
(Tashkin, Dr. Donald, UCLA Pulmonary Studies (for smoked marijuana), 1969-2007; Ibid., asthma studies, 1969-1976; Cohen, Sidney, & Stillman, Therapeutic Potential of Marijuana, 1976; Life Insurance Actuarial rates; Life shortening effects of childhood asthma, 1983.)
Annual American Deaths From…
Tobacco - 400,00
Alcohol - 100,00
All Legal Drugs - 20,000
All Illegal Drugs - 15,000
Caffine - 2,000
Aspirin - 500
Marijuana - 0