If you could pick one album to see played live

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[reply]Is the Bad Blood single really rare? I’ve been collecting Ministry releases for over 5 years, and I have never seen it.

You can often find them on ebay… but like most ministry singles there is either a flood of them or none to be found for weeks! You can see a pic of them on on the merchboard I posted my collection on there. You could also check the other ebays like germany or italy!
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www.discogs.com

Discogs is the way to go for any record/cd you want.

Ministry Bad Blood single
http://www.discogs.com/sell/list?master_id=19682&ev=mb

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DSOTS?

You’re all KIDDING, SURELY?!

Most of those songs served one purpose- listening at home drunk/stoned/whatever off your tits. Most of them were just utterly boring to listen to live! Interesting texturally, but that just couldn’t be pulled off live. And I’ve heard plenty of live tracks off that album to be adamant about that one.

TWITCH?

What, watch 4 keyboardists up there while Al prances around? Even with the drummer and Paul on bass, I still wouldn’t have rated it. The old live videos from that era are a curiousity and nothing more.

It’s a toss up between

LORAH, TMIATTTT, PSALM 69 or FILTH PIG.

Filthpig has such an immense and dense guitar sound. Would be epic to hear live from start to finish. But it would just go on. And on. And on. Maybe not.

LORAH would be great and would have it’s moments, but… too many keyboards in some parts. Wouldn’t enjoy seeing Abortive or I Prefer live.

TMIATTTT would AMAZING! Then they would have to play Test. At least it would be a good opportunity to throw a bottle at that FUCKING RAPPER.

So, it’s gonna be PSALM 69.

Great texturally, dense guitar sound, fast ‘mosh-songs’, nice mid paced head banging numbers, a couple of slow dirges, and an epic NOISE FREAK OUT AT THE END.

Seriously.

If it’s gonna be any one album to hear live, it would be Psalm 69. And the personnel on that album was Ministry at it’s best, as far as I’m concerned. Remember, Connelly did contribute to one song and Balch from Frontline Assembly did keyboards on a couple of songs.

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Psalm 69 would have been WAAAAAY better if the NOISE FREAKOUT at the end went on for at least another five minutes or so. It’s too short for me.

They should have thrown in a throbbing bass heavy, minimal, atmospheric guitar track into the mix also. Something like a Cannibal Song type deal. It’s all a bit samey in the first 20 minutes.

But maybe that was the point?

I heard that Paul recorded at least an hours worth of noise shit for that album and that Al was dead set against releasing most of it. The last two tracks on that album have PAUL written all over them.

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Psalm 69 would have been WAAAAAY better if the NOISE FREAKOUT at the end went on for at least another five minutes or so. It’s too short for me.

They should have thrown in a throbbing bass heavy, minimal, atmospheric guitar track into the mix also. Something like a Cannibal Song type deal. It’s all a bit samey in the first 20 minutes.

But maybe that was the point?

I heard that Paul recorded at least an hours worth of noise shit for that album and that Al was dead set against releasing most of it. The last two tracks on that album have PAUL written all over them.

WHOLEHEARTEDLY AGREE, SIR.

Then again, they also wrote a shitload more thrash riffs and just canned them.

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Psalm 69 for all the reasons Evil Dildo said. Well put. I do like the idea of With Sympathy played by the lineup for The Last Sucker though.

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You know… I WANNA say DSOTS.

But…

I can’t decide if I’d rather see Last Sucker performed by the With Sympathy band, or With Sympathy performed by the Last Sucker band. [laugh]

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Twitch.

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The land of rape and honey because, at the time, people thought it was just a DAT of a person screaming to a drum a machine (that was the comment at a car stereo from the Speakerworks competitor sound competition where I played the album in its entirety). No one knew what to make of it. A lot of the songs like flashback, destruction or abortive took off in entirely different directions. stigmata was the only track structured as a typical song.

As for Paul saying they wanted a post-Psalm 69 to be more “band-like” and less like reliant on sampling and what people expected in an industrial sound from the likes of NIN or Marilyn Manson releases at the time, the Ministry mid-late '90’s releases actually took more listening to “get into” and I guess I still don’t know what the cover art with the guy with a piece of meat over his head dripping blood down his face means. I did see the band play during these tours and still wished for TLORAH. The few YouTubes of Al going on LSD-like physical performances of TLORAH added some more dimension to what I originally interpreted. and it would be cool to see the WHOLE thing.

BTW: I like the idea of an album being a cohesive collection of sonics, and think albums should be performed start-to-finish LIVE. Last December I saw X at the Ventura Theater and the band played one of its original albums, X, in its entirety for the first time in its career. After 30 years, it’s good to give the fans what a band conceives. Growing up on “Album oriented” rock, it wasn’t surprising to have L.A CA radio stations KLOS or KMET play a whole Led Zeppelin album as apart of their radio programming. Jimmy Page intended these Zep productions to be heard as an entire listening experience. And a lot of the LA-area radio stations obliged. That and “headphone” Hour–playing albums which sounded best on headphones.

Okay–I’m showing my age and talking shit that occurred when most you probably weren’t even born. But there was a time when a lot of effort went into creating an album concept and having that album stand the test of time. Tom Scholtz did it with Boston–which were mainly his obsessions into the studio and painstakingly figuring out what each second would consist of sonically. Each Boston Album had a recognizable sound, and that was no coincidence. I like how Ministry followed in that vein, where they never did a “well, we hit payday with Psalm 69; let’s just do sequel to make the record company happy.”

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I can’t decide if I’d rather see Last Sucker performed by the With Sympathy band, or With Sympathy performed by the Last Sucker band. [laugh]

[laugh]

If so I would loved to have seen Ministry play First Avenue in Minneapolis in '82/'83 if they did TLS!! At the time I HATED synth-pop and was into metal. Strangely now I DO like AL’s corporate With Sympathy synth-sound and think f he wants to do something truly different that should be his musical orientation.

I’ve been listening to his other synth shit he did in the early '80’s with Alan Vega of Suicide and like it; he shouldn’t be ashamed.

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For me its a tie between With Sympathy and TMIATTTT, it would be glorious to see Test with the Grand Wizard and everything. (Was that actually the dudes name or am I talking shit?)

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If someone could hook me up with test live i would be grateful!

I appreciate that it is one of the most hated songs in Ministry’s repertoire but I love ‘test’. TMIATTTT is such a schizophrenic pastiche of style, and its great that it spawned grinding-rap-rock, a genre which has gone from strength to strength ever since.

Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda, Its too late, Wake Up!
Woulda, Coulda, Shoulda, Its too late, Wake Up!

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Since Mike Scaccia said the CU Latour wouldn’t be the last I wouldn’t be surprised if Ministry toured next year playing Psalm 69 in it’s entirety. I say next year bc it’ll be the 20th anniversary

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That’s easy . TMIATTTT. I’ve been to thousands of rockshows, and I would be happy to see that baby live. again.

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I’m going to second the request for live Test uploads.
I’m glad I’m not the only one that really enjoys that song.

I never saw Ministry in concert,so basically to see them play any album would be awesome.
BUT, as selections of filth pig were well documented in the sphinctour dvd, as was psalm 69, and like Incase you didnt show up captured the Mind era, I’m going to have to go with Animositisomina.

on that note, Gerda could you shed any light on what the band had envisioned for the music video that never got made?

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TMIATT.
I think the rap is fine and doesn’t sound out of place on the album as a whole.

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[reply]
TMIATT.
I think the rap is fine and doesn’t sound out of place on the album as a whole.

Agreed…TMIATT is my choice too.

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Mind, followed LORAH

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Video ideas always happened , not as an afterthought, but more like a collaboration with the director. The only one I honestly remember is Lay Lady Lay, done by Paul Elledge and I think he did an awesome job on a song which…sucks. I and several others bit our tongues on that one as a cover.

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Video ideas always happened , not as an afterthought, but more like a collaboration with the director. The only one I honestly remember is Lay Lady Lay, done by Paul Elledge and I think he did an awesome job on a song which…sucks. I and several others bit our tongues on that one as a cover.

Why all of the hate for lay lady lay? I know a few others on here don’t like that track either but I think that track is boss. Paul’s bass is sweet I adore the the solo towards the end of the song, I like the the dirty steel mill factory atmosphere vibe. I think that tracks is fantastic in every way. they took a crappy Dylan song and made it perfect. I was Sad to hear when Paul hated it too. Well anyway i know he doesn’t like it but hats off to him making it sweet!
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thanks senor grumps. Paul still hates it. I don’t think it’s a particularly good song.After working at Wax Trax and listening to music drilled into the brain, it was indeed enough.I layed off listening to anything but gregorian chants and patsy cline for a long time.Like working at a bakery.