If I let my child play on the FWY

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and he gets hit by a car do I get to yell and scold people for “VICTIM BLAMING!!!” when people ask where I was as a parent?

I’ve held my tongue on this whole sexual assault/harrassment thing since it broke but after today, with Spacey and Rapp, I need to vent. This is all Bullshit!! Since when is the accusation the fucking verdict?? And if this shit did happen where the fuck were his parents to prevent it from happening?? This question DOES NOT absolve Spacey of any guilt, as some mentally ill leaders of this charge, Like Rose McGowan, would suggest. it asks Where his fucking parents were because a 14 year old kid has no business, NONE, at an adult party, whether Spacey did that shit or not. WTF did he (or his parents) think happens at these parties? SEX, DRUGS, LIQUOR. Shit that a 14 year old doesn’t need to be a part of… Even more still did this really happen the way he said? the recollection of a 30+ year old memory is suspect, especially from that of a child’s perspective. Did it really hapen the way he said it did? Yet, one more reason a child doesn’t belong at an adult party, misunderstandings, at the very fucking least. BTW I don’t give a shit about Spacey. I think he’s great actor, but that’s about where it ends. If he’s a criminal then lock his ass up, but a 30 year old “he said/he said” accusation that cannot be proven is far from evidence/proof of a crime. but that doesn’t stop the mental illness machine from pushing forward like fake Spock saying “Victim’s voices are the ones that deserve to be heard.” and a handful of other people writing and saying shit as if Spacey is already guilty.

Next, Rose McGowan is fucked up. She needs professional help. She’s clearly not well. Not only that, if (more like when) Weinstein is convicted she needs to be locked up with him because, as far as I’m concerned, she’s an accessory to his shit. If what she says is true about Weinstein then nobody knew better than she did about his criminal activity, but instead of doing something about it, She took 100k NOT to talk in a court settlement. That’s enabling at the very least and accessory at worst. But yet she wants to scream at Affleck and everybody else for not saying anything when she had a prime opportunity to say/do something but chose $ instead. If it was really that bad she would have rejected the settlement money with the gag order stipulation.

the Guardian was running the headline “Rose McGowan Alleges Rape by Harvey Weinstein – And Amazon Ignored her claim.” WTF?! Is Amazon selling legal services? Is Amazon the fucking police department? Why is this everybody else’s problem EXCEPT Rose McGowan’s? Oh, That’s right because Rose Wanted the money instead. It seems she’s told everybody except the people she should have told and now it’s everybody else’s fault

Let me just say, again, Ms. McGowan clearly needs help. If, (and I say IF because an accusation is NOT a guilty verdict and RAPE is certainly not eligible for buyer’s remorse or changing your mind in the morning) If she was raped by Weinstein that’s fuckin horrible. But screaming at Affleck and contacting Amazon are in no way helping her. She has the money, she has the resources, she has the cult of personality on her side. Having meltdowns and tantrums on Twitter is ridiculous and counterproductive (and proof enough of her mental illness). At this point she needs professional help for something. Whether she was really raped by Harvey and is freaking out now or she’s having mid-life crisis and is unhappy about her choices and Harvey is a convenient easy target, she needs a goddamn therapist and fast.

As far as I’m concerned this shit is out of hand. Unless you have actual proof that somebody did something to you, you dont get to make the accusations that these people are making… Especially from 20 and 30+ years ago.

Ridiculous… Sadly we are now firmly planted in the “guilty until proven innocent” part of our society.

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By your own reasoning, little alter boys molested by priests have no recourse as adults against the Catholic Church. Where were their parents?

Pretty much the entire entertainment business is rampant with sex as currency; it’s not just the legit big-screen movie industry. Nothing new.

It’s very very difficult to prove rape, even if there are eye-witnesses.
Most survivors do not report it for various reasons. #metoo

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By your own reasoning, little alter boys molested by priests have no recourse as adults against the Catholic Church. Where were their parents?

You cannot be serious. You’re going to compare the catholic church which is mostly/kinda about charity, morality, and ethics to the entertainment business which is openly about greed, excess, and indulgence? especially when you go on to write…

Pretty much the entire entertainment business is rampant with sex as currency; it’s not just the legit big-screen movie industry. Nothing new.

You think the catholic church mirrors the above statement? As much as I detest religion i would only hyperbolically refer to them as a bunch of pedos. and to answer your question. No they have no recourse because an accusation is not a verdict and without proof all it is is unprovable gossip. Parents should’ve been sitting in the pew over seeing that shit.

It’s very very difficult to prove rape, even if there are eye-witnesses.

the Rape Kit is a very credible witness.

Most survivors do not report it for various reasons. #metoo

Then, unfortunately, that’s the end of it… and makes #metoo enablers. Brilliant strategy for ending this culture #proof

the accusation is nothing without proof. how many people are going to lose their careers now because somebody got pissed off, for whatever reason, and cried rape? Dangerous times ahead

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If only life were that simple.
Bury your head in the sand and pretend it doesn’t exist because there is zero physical evidence to ensure a conviction. Putting the survivor on trial to relive the trauma over and over again is the solution in the he-said/she-said.
Can a husband rape his wife?

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If only life were that simple.

It is that simple. Nobody gets to show up 30 years later with no proof. you don’t get a do over with no evidence. Somebody comes forward with some hidden cam footage or some other type shit then yeah charge that fucker all you want and put his ass away for it. the accusation is not enough… at least it shouldn’t be.

Bury your head in the sand and pretend it doesn’t exist because there is zero physical evidence to ensure a conviction.

I never said it doesn’t exist. I didn’t even hint at at. So, let’s not pretend you are really this bad at comprehension, mmmmkay?
Stay with me here read it out loud if you need to. When this happens the proper authorities need to be called, a rape kit and/investigation need to be conducted and you’ll see this bullshit slowdown quickly with the arrests that are made. shutting up about it is not helping especially since there is absolutely not one shred of evidence to corroborate your story decades after the fact. Does this mean grmpy says Spacey and Weinstein didn’t do what they are accused of? of course not but at this point there is no way to tell if they did or not, and in this country we are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty. Rapp doesn’t get to show up now. We don’t know if these guys had a history… Maybe Spacey was drunk and Rapp as a 14 y/o took a run at him and Spacey not being a pedo shot him down and Rapp’s been disgruntled over it all these years for him breaking his 14 year old heart?? You just don’t know, and that’s the problem… and to assume you do is wildly irresponsible. Nobody will ever know what happened at that party except those two and that’s it.

to boil it down What I said is nobody gets to make these accusations without proof. I know this shit exists but until people come forward with proof in hand we don’t really know who the actual guilty people are.

Putting the survivor on trial to relive the trauma over and over again is the solution in the he-said/she-said.

Yeah, especially considering the the weight of the charges being brought. I say again (and I’ll type it loudly for you so maybe you can see it) ACCUSATION DOES NOT EQUAL GUILT. (Duke lacrosse case)
And if you’ll notice, you can see how well “just ignoring it” makes the survivor not have to relive it all over again…

Can a husband rape his wife?

You trying this overtly to change the subject?

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I havent’ followed the Weinstein shit (only little blips that pop up) so I’m kind of shooting from the hip on most of this, but . . .

I think it’s been a lot easier to steamroll this motherfucker with EVERYTHING, no matter how flimsy, because . . . JUST LOOK AT HIM. It’s impossible to imagine a scenario where any woman would look at him, let alone touch him, if there weren’t some sort of force, coercion, blackmail, whatever.

You think they could make any of this shit stick if motherfucker looked like John Stamos? So yeah, sucks for you, Dawg. You ugly. Now you’re fucked!

I don’t know. I think the guy is a scuzzball and holy fuck, just look at him. He’s like some goddamned Voltron megamonster formed with all the parts of lesser perverts.

But I get where Grumpy is coming from.
I listened to some recording a few weeks back that was supposedly some damning audio of Weinstein being forceful with some lady. I didn’t know WHAT I was listening to. Sounded like pathetic begging by an inept weirdo to me. Lady should have just LEFT the room. And this was when she went BACK to his place (wearing a wire) to specifically trap him in the action . . . . so yeah, call me skeptical about that. And not that anything is justified, but some squirelly bimbo comes BACK to dude’s pad after he was greasy the first time . . . . yeah, I could see where “mixed signals” may have been given, hahaha.

Fuck it all. If he’s a creep, he’s a creep. And he seems pretty fucking creepy. But I don’t know if there’s anything to support him being a rapist or anything either.

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I think it’s been a lot easier to steamroll this motherfucker with EVERYTHING, no matter how flimsy, because . . . JUST LOOK AT HIM. It’s impossible to imagine a scenario where any woman would look at him, let alone touch him, if there weren’t some sort of force, coercion, blackmail, whatever.

You think they could make any of this shit stick if motherfucker looked like John Stamos? So yeah, sucks for you, Dawg. You ugly. Now you’re fucked!

But I get where Grumpy is coming from.
I listened to some recording a few weeks back that was supposedly some damning audio of Weinstein being forceful with some lady. I didn’t know WHAT I was listening to. Sounded like pathetic begging by an inept weirdo to me. Lady should have just LEFT the room. And this was when she went BACK to his place (wearing a wire) to specifically trap him in the action . . . . so yeah, call me skeptical about that. And not that anything is justified, but some squirelly bimbo comes BACK to dude’s pad after he was greasy the first time . . . . yeah, I could see where “mixed signals” may have been given, hahaha

Yea!!! This is roughly about 6 paragraphs i didn’t post cause it was turning into an endless rant (i have it saved for later). You should see the quotes from some of these women. They know theyre on the record and theyre saying this shit out loud!!! “Eww hes so gross” “I just tried to get out of there and not offend him and then me and my girlfriend laughed at him” “i put up with ugly fuckers all the time cause im so pretty” Those obviously arent their actual quotes but it pretty fuckin close and certainly accurate for the sub text of their quotes.
To be clear. I think Weinstein probably did do at least some of this shit because what rich fucker doesnt think he gets to treat people anyway he wants? Buuuuuuut as you mentioned the woman wearing a wire couldnt get him to incriminate himself (but just made himself look like a fool for begging) in the age of the cell phone video who doesnt have one of these encounters on video or at least audio especially if everybody was warning everybody else? If everybody knew what Weinstein was like then it shouldnt have Hurt anybody’s career to report his ass.

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I’m actually a big enaber of this “#metoo” wave continuing to drown the accused. It’s been an open secret for way too long, and power in numbers encourages not only more to speak out, but less power for those to ruin the victims and their families.

Look at Corey Feldman. I mean just look at him, lol but in all seriousness he’s another guy who had to be quiet about his past due to threats from Hollywood’s “elite”.

Also, Rose McGowan should have never taken a payout because it gives/gave those to slam her for this a good reason to discredit her. And I don’t blame them for such.

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I’m actually a big enaber of this “#metoo” wave continuing to drown the accused. It’s been an open secret for way too long, and power in numbers encourages not only more to speak out, but less power for those to ruin the victims and their families.

I’m reminded of Salem Massachusetts when it comes to “drowning the accused.” There might be safety in numbers but unfortunately in this situation it lends itself to the bandwagon and Ad Populum fallacy. There is a correct way to put these predators away and the appeal to mass fallacy aint it. Might as well be a modern day witch test.

Look at Corey Feldman. I mean just look at him, lol but in all seriousness he’s another guy who had to be quiet about his past due to threats from Hollywood’s “elite”.

Feldman’s been making these accusations ever since they happened to him. I truly feel sorry for Feldmen because he didn’t get the help he’d been asking for all along. He didn’t wait 20 years, he came out with it pretty quickly. So, Feldman doesn’t really fit the current mold of accusers. Unfortunately, unless he has hard evidence against who he wants to accuse, I think he’d be better to not name names at this point because it comes down to, again, his word versus theirs. And if Feldmen is mistaken or perhaps just has a grudge against someone it’s not fair to the accused without proof. All that Feldman can do at this point is what he’s doing. Warn others, try to persuade parents from getting their kids in Hollywood. It sucks but that’s where he’s at now.

Also, Rose McGowan should have never taken a payout because it gives/gave those to slam her for this a good reason to discredit her. And I don’t blame them for such.

Yeah now she has a warrant for her arrest for drugs that was issued Feb. before any of this started… which she chalks up to deep conspiracy. fuckin lunatic.

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I’m not getting your Salem witch trials analogy, I get what you’re going for but it doesn’t apply here.

The heart of the matter is, there’s a number of parties who have been sexually assaulted or raped, and they have been quiet due to one of two reasons, or both: fear of repercussion, or inability to cope or overability to suppress. It’s a powerful thing, what that kind of thing does to the psyche. It’s almost like a murder of the soul.

The recent development with Kevin Spacey says a lot - notice how quick it took the headlines to go from “Spacey comes out” to “Spacey allegedly assaults minor” and it took a LOT of people to come out and set even the press straight - the press. The people who deliver the facts. Goes to show you where priorities fucking are…

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I hope I’m not confusing what I think is the #metoo campaign with something else if I’m actually off base, but . . . .

I think it’s two totally separate issues (although the Harvey shit did obviously get the ball rolling). The #metoo stuff . . . . isn’t that just about women (maybe men too) standing up (or virtually doing so on the 'net) to say that they have been victims of sexual assault or rape at some point?

I actually am all for that. I think anyone abused thusly should stand up, and be embraced and offered assistance and support and not be stigmatized.

I’m only really commenting on what I see about this Weinstein stuff and admittedly my observations are pretty surface level, but as a skeptic about everything I really do see a lot of reasons to perhaps squint first as opposed to just joining the lynch mob.

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I was assaulted; hence my #metoo.
He was my boyfriend at the time so there was no “proof”; therefore, my question, as that was essentially the scenario that I would have had to face explaining in court in the early 1990’s.
It was not worth it to bring charges because nobody would have convicted him with no evidence.

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I’m not getting your Salem witch trials analogy, I get what you’re going for but it doesn’t apply here.

Why doesn’t it apply? because you say so? In Salem the accusation was the verdict. how is this not the same here? why cause these guys really did this? Yeah, there were many people who were really witches too.

The heart of the matter is, there’s a number of parties who have been sexually assaulted or raped, and they have been quiet due to one of two reasons, or both: fear of repercussion, or inability to cope or overability to suppress. It’s a powerful thing, what that kind of thing does to the psyche. It’s almost like a murder of the soul.

I understand this but it still doesn’t change the fact that we can’t go around accusing whoever we want with out [strike]proper[/strike] any evidence. these people are probably guilty but until somebody comes with the goods you can’t touch them because it sets a horrible legal precedent where the accusations turns into the verdict and that’s bullshit because it’s a very small step until the innocent start getting railroaded.

The recent development with Kevin Spacey says a lot - notice how quick it took the headlines to go from “Spacey comes out” to “Spacey allegedly assaults minor” and it took a LOT of people to come out and set even the press straight - the press. The people who deliver the facts. Goes to show you where priorities fucking are…

What are you taking about? I haven’t seen any headlines about spacey coming out except the ones that are blasting him (rightly so) for trying to divert attention away from the accusation by coming out. ALL of the headlines are about the accusation and none about him coming out.

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I was assaulted; hence my #metoo.
He was my boyfriend at the time so there was no “proof”; therefore, my question, as that was essentially the scenario that I would have had to face explaining in court in the early 1990’s.
It was not worth it to bring charges because nobody would have convicted him with no evidence.

Thats unfortunate. Im sorry to hear that. But because you dated an asshole anybody that has accusations against them is automatically guilty? I ask because this really seems to be what your suggesting.

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Yeah, that’s what I was saying.
I think the two issues have no business being conflated with each other.

Harvey’s case has nothing to do with the millions of women who’ve been victimized in completely unrelated cases and I think it’s a disservice to both the women who’ve been victimized by anyone not Harvey Weinstein as well as the women who’ve been victimized by Harvey to act as if there is relevance.

As I said, I think “#metoo” is a strong and empowering movement of its own.

But attaching the suffering of millions of completely unrelated women to Weinstein’s case makes ZERO sense…

Unless someone thinks that OJ should have been acquitted of murder NOT because the prosecution fucked up or because the evidence was questionable but solely because millions of black people have suffered in the past and been victimized in completely unrelated cases . . . . . if THIS is what one feels should be the STANDARD of justice and not just an embarrassing wild card play on human emotions, then sure, by all means, throw the assumed sins of millions of creepy men onto this one ugly fucking troll that we have tied up and at the stake now.

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I actually have a lot to say on this subject, but I can’t get into it right now.

I have been dealing with this issue in a very real way for the past month. I will try to get my 2¢ in later.

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And just in case I wasn’t clear on stuff earlier, I am not at all in defense of Harvey or any of his gross shit . . . whether legal or illegal. I think it’s pretty clear that he’s a creep. Whether he needs to answer to criminal charges, I don’t know. But we’re definitely seeing a man’s empire collapse and he’s rightly fucked for the rest of his life as his name is now poison and people will stay a billion miles from him in all aspects.

I also don’t think that just because a woman comes out about something 20 years later under questionable circumstances that it’s bullshit by default. But as was noted earlier, we do have to have some sort of standards of evaluation and proof for stuff aside from a 20 year old story.

Anyway, it’s an interesting topic, to say the least.
I’m really looking forward to Acid’s input on this.

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I actually have a lot to say on this subject, but I can’t get into it right now.

I have been dealing with this issue in a very real way for the past month. I will try to get my 2¢ in later.

Actually been waiting for you to weigh in bcause you work in the the middle of the epicienter of this movement.

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What I think is ridiculous is when some of these reports say “I was sexually assualted by XXXXX, he grabbed my butt one time.”

I saw the dustin hoffman aticle too. She actually admits “i liked the attention.”

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What I think is ridiculous is when some of these reports say “I was sexually assualted by XXXXX, he grabbed my butt one time.” That isn’t sexual assault. If it is, #metoo. My booty has been squeezed by a stranger a time or two. I didn’t really care, honestly.

I met a woman on a message board once who proudly boasted of having a happy sexual relationship with her father. Therefore, I guess women that claim to have suffered after being molested by their fathers are lying.