If I let my child play on the FWY

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I’m not sure about your analogy of getting run over the freeway vis-à-vis child molestation. Maybe if you left your kid out of the freeway and then someone intentionally ran over it. You’re unintentionally implying that adults simply can’t be around children without getting the uncontrollable urge to molest them.

it asks Where his fucking parents were because a 14 year old kid has no business, NONE, at an adult party, whether Spacey did that shit or not. WTF did he (or his parents) think happens at these parties? SEX, DRUGS, LIQUOR. Shit that a 14 year old doesn’t need to be a part of…

If you’d read any of the articles about this incident, you’d have your answer: Rapp went to the party without his parents’ permission. He went to a theater event with another teenage friend and they ran into Spacey there who invited them to a party. Like most teenagers, Rapp didn’t bother to ask his mother because he figured she’d say no and like most teenagers, he wanted to seem cool.

In the case of someone like Corey Feldman, his mother really didn’t care if he was abused or not. Lots of stage parents are like that. They see their kids as cash dispensers and don’t care about them beyond that or so fucked up on drugs themselves they can barely take care of themselves, let alone anyone else. See also: Arthur Bernstein and Lillian Coogan, Jaid Barrymore, Michael and Dina Lohan…

Another problem is that, for the most part, the public is extremely uninformed about child sexual abuse. Children are most likely to be molested by relatives and authority figures that they and their parents trust, but most parents ignore those facts and instead imagine that the typical child molester is a stranger in the bushes.

I think he’s great actor, but that’s about where it ends. If he’s a criminal then lock his ass up, but a 30 year old “he said/he said” accusation that cannot be proven is far from evidence/proof of a crime.

It’s unlikely that Spacey will even face charges. The statute of limitations in New York for sexual abuse is five years.

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I’m not sure about your analogy of getting run over the freeway vis-à-vis child molestation.

Is that what I said? I said “getting run over on the FWY is like child molestation?” Or did I say knowingly putting your child in a dangerous situation like letting them play on the FWY is is the same as putting them in a dangerous situation where drugs alcohol and sex are more than likely involved is the same?

Maybe if you left your kid out of the freeway and then someone intentionally ran over it.

you think that if somebody was wandering around on the fwy there isn’t some sick fuck that would intentionally try to hit them? of course there is it’s common sense. Aside from that it’s just dangerous to begin with which is why there are laws about pedestrians on the fwys. perhaps I was to vague:
The adult party is the fwy, the adults are the cars. the kid is the kid. the kid at the party is the child playing on the fwy.
Some of those people/cars could be sick fucks and out to hit/hurt the kid intentionally. “wouldn’t it be funny if we got this kid drunk/high/beat the shit out of him/humiliated him/tried to fuck him.” Other situations may not be intentionally bad but lead to worse shit. “one beer/puff won’t hurt the kid” and shit gets out of hand and worse from there maybe immediately maybe down the road.

You’re unintentionally implying that adults simply can’t be around children without getting the uncontrollable urge to molest them.

No, that’s not what I’m implying, that’s not what I’m unintentionally implying. That’s not what I’m saying at all. I’m saying that adult parties have adult themes and that no 14 year old needs to be around it whether some perv is there looking to fuck a child or not. the drinking the drugs hell just the conversation is inappropriate. where you got “adults get uncontrollable urges to molest children” is beyond me.

[reply] it asks Where his fucking parents were because a 14 year old kid has no business, NONE, at an adult party, whether Spacey did that shit or not. WTF did he (or his parents) think happens at these parties? SEX, DRUGS, LIQUOR. Shit that a 14 year old doesn’t need to be a part of…

If you’d read any of the articles about this incident, you’d have your answer: Rapp went to the party without his parents’ permission. He went to a theater event with another teenage friend and they ran into Spacey there who invited them to a party. Like most teenagers, Rapp didn’t bother to ask his mother because he figured she’d say no and like most teenagers, he wanted to seem cool.
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not the articles I’ve read… they all talk about how he spent most of the party in a bedroom watching tv.
still doesn’t answer my original question though…
WTF did he [strike](or his parents)[/strike] think happens at these parties? SEX, DRUGS, LIQUOR. I’m sure he knew that stuff went on there and went any way. Well guess what he got… WTF is he complaining years later for? It’s what ya ordered kid. Maybe not specifically that scenario but he had to know it was on the menu next time listen to your parents. Not victim blaiming Parent empowering now

In the case of someone like Corey Feldman, his mother really didn’t care if he was abused or not. Lots of stage parents are like that. They see their kids as cash dispensers and don’t care about them beyond that or so fucked up on drugs themselves they can barely take care of themselves, let alone anyone else. See also: Arthur Bernstein and Lillian Coogan, Jaid Barrymore, Michael and Dina Lohan…

Absolutely tragic and completely part of the problem. I think it encourages the culture. Horrible fucking people. Difference between feldman and Rapp seems like Feldman didn’t have a choice.

Another problem is that, for the most part, the public is extremely uninformed about child sexual abuse. Children are most likely to be molested by relatives and authority figures that they and their parents trust, but most parents ignore those facts and instead imagine that the typical child molester is a stranger in the bushes.

this is true although I’m not quite sure what it has to do with going to an adult party unless you’re trying to make the claim that a party is “safer.”

It’s unlikely that Spacey will even face charges. The statute of limitations in New York for sexual abuse is five years.

At this point his guilt or innocence doesn’t matter, the damage is done.

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[reply]What I think is ridiculous is when some of these reports say “I was sexually assualted by XXXXX, he grabbed my butt one time.” That isn’t sexual assault. If it is, #metoo. My booty has been squeezed by a stranger a time or two. I didn’t really care, honestly.

I met a woman on a message board once who proudly boasted of having a happy sexual relationship with her father. Therefore, I guess women that claim to have suffered after being molested by their fathers are lying.[/reply]
yes, because incest and having your ass grabbed one time by a stranger/coworker/anybody are EXACTLY the same thing. [rolleyes]

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perfectly illustrates why the accusation is not the verdict…
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xvjcj3
its worth your 20 minutes

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[reply]I was assaulted; hence my #metoo.
He was my boyfriend at the time so there was no “proof”; therefore, my question, as that was essentially the scenario that I would have had to face explaining in court in the early 1990’s.
It was not worth it to bring charges because nobody would have convicted him with no evidence.

Thats unfortunate. Im sorry to hear that. But because you dated an asshole anybody that has accusations against them is automatically guilty? I ask because this really seems to be what your suggesting.[/reply]

The proven liars should be prosecuted to deter false accusations?
It’s underreported and underprosecuted as per the reasons already stated.
Very difficult to obtain a conviction even with evidence and witnesses.
It further deters victims from reporting it for fear of not being able to prove their case.
Hence, why the proven liars are not prosecuted for their lies.

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[reply][reply]I was assaulted; hence my #metoo.
He was my boyfriend at the time so there was no “proof”; therefore, my question, as that was essentially the scenario that I would have had to face explaining in court in the early 1990’s.
It was not worth it to bring charges because nobody would have convicted him with no evidence.

Thats unfortunate. Im sorry to hear that. But because you dated an asshole anybody that has accusations against them is automatically guilty? I ask because this really seems to be what your suggesting.[/reply]

The proven liars should be prosecuted to deter false accusations?
It’s underreported and underprosecuted as per the reasons already stated.
Very difficult to obtain a conviction even with evidence and witnesses.
It further deters victims from reporting it for fear of not being able to prove their case.
Hence, why the proven liars are not prosecuted for their lies.[/reply]
How do you prove they’re lying? once again it comes back to evidence. Because convictions are hard we drop the standard? Still side steps the question of proof. So because the women make the accusation the man has to prove his innocence?
Doesn’t work that way.
you’re talking about the accuser’s being the liars right? your post was a little vague

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[reply][reply][reply]I was assaulted; hence my #metoo.
He was my boyfriend at the time so there was no “proof”; therefore, my question, as that was essentially the scenario that I would have had to face explaining in court in the early 1990’s.
It was not worth it to bring charges because nobody would have convicted him with no evidence.

Thats unfortunate. Im sorry to hear that. But because you dated an asshole anybody that has accusations against them is automatically guilty? I ask because this really seems to be what your suggesting.[/reply]

The proven liars should be prosecuted to deter false accusations?
It’s underreported and underprosecuted as per the reasons already stated.
Very difficult to obtain a conviction even with evidence and witnesses.
It further deters victims from reporting it for fear of not being able to prove their case.
Hence, why the proven liars are not prosecuted for their lies.[/reply]
How do you prove they’re lying? once again it comes back to evidence. Because convictions are hard we drop the standard? Still side steps the question of proof. So because the women make the accusation the man has to prove his innocence?
Doesn’t work that way.
you’re talking about the accuser’s being the liars right? you’re post was a little vague[/reply]

Yes, accusers making false accusations. The DA/grand jury decides if there is enough evidence to prosecute.
I’ve been a witness in a criminal trial where an innocent person was convicted of a crime (battery) they did not commit with zero evidence (pure he said/she said). It all comes down to who is felt to be the most believable/creditable by the jury. Despite the person being found guilty by the jury, the judge knew what happened and did not adjudicated.

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[reply][reply][reply][reply]I was assaulted; hence my #metoo.
He was my boyfriend at the time so there was no “proof”; therefore, my question, as that was essentially the scenario that I would have had to face explaining in court in the early 1990’s.
It was not worth it to bring charges because nobody would have convicted him with no evidence.

Thats unfortunate. Im sorry to hear that. But because you dated an asshole anybody that has accusations against them is automatically guilty? I ask because this really seems to be what your suggesting.[/reply]

The proven liars should be prosecuted to deter false accusations?
It’s underreported and underprosecuted as per the reasons already stated.
Very difficult to obtain a conviction even with evidence and witnesses.
It further deters victims from reporting it for fear of not being able to prove their case.
Hence, why the proven liars are not prosecuted for their lies.[/reply]
How do you prove they’re lying? once again it comes back to evidence. Because convictions are hard we drop the standard? Still side steps the question of proof. So because the women make the accusation the man has to prove his innocence?
Doesn’t work that way.
you’re talking about the accuser’s being the liars right? you’re post was a little vague[/reply]

Yes, accusers making false accusations. The DA/grand jury decides if there is enough evidence to prosecute.
I’ve been a witness in a criminal trial where an innocent person was convicted of a crime (battery) they did not commit with zero evidence (pure he said/she said). It all comes down to who is felt to be the most believable/creditable by the jury. Despite the person being found guilty by the jury, the judge knew what happened and did not adjudicated.[/reply]
Wow, how did he “know” what happened? was the judge there when the battery happened? you’d think he would’ve been a witness rather than a judge with a conflict of interest. Furthermore, you seem to be contradicting yourself when it comes to the justice system. Seems rather easy to convict on he said she said based on your anecdote.

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Yes, accusers making false accusations. The DA/grand jury decides if there is enough evidence to prosecute.
I’ve been a witness in a criminal trial where an innocent person was convicted of a crime (battery) they did not commit with zero evidence (pure he said/she said). It all comes down to who is felt to be the most believable/creditable by the jury. Despite the person being found guilty by the jury, the judge knew what happened and did not adjudicated.

So . . . the jury found you and your innocent friend to be less believable and credible than a liar/false accuser with no evidence?

Certainly you can now use that experience to have some understanding of why people are expressing concern about EXACTLY THE SAME THING as it may apply to these recent cases. I mean . . . I hope so.

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The selective questioning from the prosecutor to get the witnesses to say things to sway the jury into believing something happened that did not happen. A special agent out for blood. It has nothing to do with the truth/facts and everything to do with winning. Whoever has the better attorney wins.

The defense’s attorney was horrific. I could have put together a better defense.

The plaintiff orchestrated the whole case for the Prosecutor, in the words of the prosecutor. The Prosecutor may not have known the slimeball had done this years before to someone else.

The judge knew the jury made a mistake because there was zero evidence to prove that the defendant beat the plaintiff in the head as claimed. I was there in the room when the incident took place; I saw and heard what actually happened. No medic was called, no pictures, no medical records, nothing. What the Plantiff said happened, did not happen. They lied.

BTW, The defendant was tall, big, and black. The plantiff was short, old, and white.

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The selective questioning from the prosecutor to get the witnesses to say things to sway the jury into believing something happened that did not happen. A special agent out for blood. It has nothing to do with the truth/facts and everything to do with winning. Whoever has the better attorney wins.

The defense’s attorney was horrific. I could have put together a better defense.

The plaintiff orchestrated the whole case for the Prosecutor, in the words of the prosecutor. The Prosecutor may not have known the slimeball had done this years before to someone else.

The judge knew the jury made a mistake because there was zero evidence to prove that the defendant beat the plaintiff in the head as claimed. I was there in the room when the incident took place; I saw and heard what actually happened. No medic was called, no pictures, no medical records, nothing. What the Plantiff said happened, did not happen. They lied.

BTW, The defendant was tall, big, and black. The plantiff was short, old, and white.

Soooo… … … What you’re saying is is that you’ve come over to my side of thinking and see the danger in this movement? At least your last several posts have been very supportive of my problems with this current climate. The innocent being railroaded for one reason or another.

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reply]not the articles I’ve read… they all talk about how he spent most of the party in a bedroom watching tv.[/reply]
Here’s one: “According to Rapp, Spacey befriended him at an after-show party; when they ran into each other at a later event, Spacey took Rapp and a 17-year-old friend of his to the Limelight, then invited him to a party at his apartment a few days later. (Rapp’s mother had relocated to New York with him during the run of the play, but he sometimes went to work events on his own.) Rapp says he went to the party, but since he was the only child in an apartment full of adults, got bored and ended up watching TV alone in the bedroom.”

WTF did he (or his parents) think happens at these parties? SEX, DRUGS, LIQUOR. I’m sure he knew that stuff went on there and went any way. Well guess what he got… WTF is he complaining years later for? It’s what ya ordered kid. Maybe not specifically that scenario but he had to know it was on the menu next time listen to your parents. Not victim blaiming Parent empowering now

Even if a 14-year-old strips naked and jumps on an adult and screams, “Fuck me!”, an adult who has sex with them can be still be charged with statutory rape.

“It’s what ya ordered kid,” is not a defense, though plenty of people have tried that and failed. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the cases of Mary Kay Letourneau, Debra Lafave, Pamela Rogers Turner and Jennifer Fichter?

If you’re against age-of-consent laws, maybe you should join NAMBLA. I hope you’re planning to find other means of employment, though, because I doubt your school district will be pleased by that.

At this point his guilt or innocence doesn’t matter, the damage is done.

Not really. Roman Polanski, Woody Allan, and Bryan Singer still have careers despite the accusations against them. Hell, South Park Mexican, Jason James Murphy, Brian Peck, and Victor Salva were actually convicted of child sexual abuse and they still have careers.

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[reply]not the articles I’ve read… they all talk about how he spent most of the party in a bedroom watching tv.

Here’s one: “According to Rapp, Spacey befriended him at an after-show party; when they ran into each other at a later event, Spacey took Rapp and a 17-year-old friend of his to the Limelight, then invited him to a party at his apartment a few days later. (Rapp’s mother had relocated to New York with him during the run of the play, but he sometimes went to work events on his own.) Rapp says he went to the party, but since he was the only child in an apartment full of adults, got bored and ended up watching TV alone in the bedroom.”
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I didn’t not believe you, but ok. Wonder where his friend went.

[reply]WTF did he (or his parents) think happens at these parties? SEX, DRUGS, LIQUOR. I’m sure he knew that stuff went on there and went any way. Well guess what he got… WTF is he complaining years later for? It’s what ya ordered kid. Maybe not specifically that scenario but he had to know it was on the menu next time listen to your parents. Not victim blaiming Parent empowering now

Even if a 14-year-old strips naked and jumps on an adult and screams, “Fuck me!”, an adult who has sex with them can be still be charged with statutory rape.
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Yeah. that’s right? And?

“It’s what ya ordered kid,” is not a defense, though plenty of people have tried that and failed. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the cases of Mary Kay Letourneau, Debra Lafave, Pamela Rogers Turner and Jennifer Fichter?

Who said I said “It’s what ya’ ordered kid” was a defense? That behavior should not have happened. but he can’t be that upset or even surprised it happened considering he WAS playing on the FWY

If you’re against age-of-consent laws, maybe you should join NAMBLA. I hope you’re planning to find other means of employment, though, because I doubt your school district will be pleased by that.

If you think you have successfully inserted the strawman fallacy here, think again. Never did I say any of this, or even hint at any of this. I’m not advocating any of what you have accused me of just here. Should a driver who intentionally hits a child playing on the FWY not be charged with murder? of course they should, but one can’t be surprised when it happens especially when a child ignores his parents to play on the FWY. Let me say again. If Spacey did this he should suffer the consequences but without a confession it’s likely not going to happen. And never did I suggest otherwise.

At this point his guilt or innocence doesn’t matter, the damage is done.

Not really. Roman Polanski, Woody Allan, and Bryan Singer still have careers despite the accusations against them. Hell, South Park Mexican, Jason James Murphy, Brian Peck, and Victor Salva were actually convicted of child sexual abuse and they still have careers.[/reply]
I don’t know all these people but Palansky fled the country, so there’s that. Singer, there was no evidence, And Same for Woody Allan (In addition, in October 1993, investigators with the New York Department of Social Services closed their own 14-month investigation, stating: “No credible evidence was found that the child named in this report has been abused or maltreated.” ). Spacey will likely go down for the most current round of allegations that there is evidence for. but for 30 years ago…

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Who said I said “It’s what ya’ ordered kid” was a defense? That behavior should not have happened. but he can’t be that upset or even surprised it happened considering he WAS playing on the FWY

So, if your child was molested at a party or killed while playing in the street, you would go on national TV and announce, “I will not be sad because my child only got what was coming to them,”?

That would go over like a lead balloon… though I imagine the Ayn Rand Institute would probably leap to your defense.

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[reply]Who said I said “It’s what ya’ ordered kid” was a defense? That behavior should not have happened. but he can’t be that upset or even surprised it happened considering he WAS playing on the FWY

So, if your child was molested at a party or killed while playing in the street, you would go on national TV and announce, “I will not be sad because my child only got what was coming to them,”?

That would go over like a lead balloon… though I imagine the Ayn Rand Institute would probably leap to your defense.[/reply]
Of course I would be sad, devastated. My child, however, would, while knowingly defying my rules, not have much room to complain or be sad about the outcome, especially since he knew what he was walking in to. And if I was the one who gave permission for my child to be run over on the FWY, I could see where people would have a hard time feeling bad for me given my obvious stupidity.

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My kid plays on the freeway all the time.
But he’s not a pussy. He’s really fast.
If a kid gets hit on the freeway it’s probably because he’s too slow and stupid to get out of the way.
Fuck 'em.

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Indeed! Frogger is proper training.
You’re a good dad, Sir!

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[reply]My kid plays on the freeway all the time.
But he’s not a pussy. He’s really fast.
If a kid gets hit on the freeway it’s probably because he’s too slow and stupid to get out of the way.
Fuck 'em.

I make my kids play Frogger all night so that they can safely play in the freeway all day. So far, so good.[/reply]
This whole time my kid’s been playing donkey kong. [mad]

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So they are good to play on construction sites. Not too shabby.

Yep, totally prepared for those awkward moments when some fucking ape throws some barrels down the scaffolding.

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So they are good to play on construction sites. Not too shabby.

Yep, totally prepared for those awkward moments when some fucking ape throws some barrels down the scaffolding.[/reply]
Awkward moment? That’s a life skill!