I Wanna Start A Polygamist Sect

i guess i just fundamentally disagree wit your argument.

i think that ALL humans are humans, regardless of what they have done, and i believe that everyone should get the help, physical, mental, emotional, medical, whatever, that they need to have a healthy and safe life.

im sorry you were hurt/attacked. i really am. no one should be. but you arent the only person who has been, many people who still fight for the rights of all humans have been too. so dont play the ‘do you know what its like…’ card to try and dehumanize or de-legitimize a human rights issue.

but that said, i dont wanna come across as some harping jerk, so i am done with this debate, i think i have made my 2 cents get thoroughly noticed on the good old series of tubes.

HAY GUYZ RAEP IZ AWESUM[crazy]

Fuckin’ rivetheads.

ever been a girl? mmm. didn’t think so. so fuck you.

ever been a girl? mmm. didn’t think so. so fuck you.

hold on a second, what?

do you know my gender? do you know my sexual identity? do you know my orientation, preferences, birth-assigned genitalia, history of abuse, or sexual history?
do you know anything about who i am?

i think you are being irrational. like i said, any person’s personal pain is valid and hard to live with, but saying that you were hurt one way once, so you will never work to find a sustainable solution for the issue because it is too much to think about is not completely (in my eyes i guess) acceptable.

now really, i didnt want this to drag on, but a statement like that i couldnt just leave unnoticed. you dont know me, so dont launch at me with empty bullet casings, you wouldnt even know what to hit if the gun was loaded.

Great. So you’ll…defend somebody who takes the life of another person, but won’t defend another who had, say, inappropriate sex?

Some fates are worse than death. rape is the crime that keeps on giving. Aside from grieving family members, murder, for the part, is pretty quick for the victim to get over. duh!

I suppose it would depend on the degree of inappropriate sex… fucking a 6 year old while telling her to pray… i say death penalty.

Fucking a sorority chick who passed out because she couldn’t tell boy x that she liked him while sober… not in the same category at all. Still very illegal though.

fucking a 16-17 year old, consensually, I say a fine would suffice, but this whole jail time and end up on a sexual predator list is crazy.

It [rape]isn’t always violent.

It’s always violent.

They are plenty of cases of girls getting super drunk and having sex with some guy then the next day they woke up thinking “oh my god” and say they were raped.

I agree, just because a girl decides to change her mind in the morning doesn’t mean it was rape the night before…

HOWEVER, if she didn’t have the choice to make in the first place the night before, meaning she was passed out before she could give consent, then yeah, that is rape and that is violent.

Anytime anyone violates your person like that with out explicit permission it is always violent.

Sometimes it’s a crackhead stripper trying to make some money by accusing of some richie of raping her. You can pick and choose who you want to defend but it isn’t always the guys fault.

I seem to remember a little story about the duke lacross team and a stripper. bitch made it up to get $$ from the wealthy duke boys.

The sad thing is is that some women have learned that crying rape gets attention and it unfortunately has turned into a Crying wolf scenario where it doesn’t carry the weight that it should. and for that, women are certainly guilty of minimizing the power of that accusation.

However, I see Gerda’s firm’s point too. everybody has (or should have) a moral line you don’t cross. for her firm it was rape. nothing wrong with that. maybe the partners could live with getting a possible murderer off but had a problem sleeping at night knowing that were defending a possible rapist… not every law firm takes every kind of case. nor should they have to.
You think Johnny Cochrane would’ve taken simple DUI cases? I doubt it.

Gerda, going after Rusty hacksaw for his/ her gender… Very inappropriate and irrelevant, counselor.

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grmpysmrf

that mofo challenges my zen…otherwise i would take a couple of hits of jager , load up the 12 gauge, blast burning inside , and do a drive by as they escort that mofo…if there are any tango blast relatives where he is going…im sure he will die soon anyway.

no kidding.

lets see how safe god keeps him in jail.

apparently god was out for coffee when he allowed jeffs to be arrested.
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grmpysmrf

ever been a girl? mmm. didn’t think so. so fuck you.

head spins right round

So, only a girl can be hurt by an assault, whether it be physical, sexual or psychological??

Oh the arrogance and pitifulness.

A girl getting drunk, having sex, and claiming she didn’t really want it seems about the same as a person getting drunk, having a car crash, and saying they didn’t really want to drive. It’s not all black and white but you get the point.

That’s not really rape then. Changing your mind in the morning doesn’t make the night before rape. If her intention is to get passed out drunk so she can get laid that makes the sex that happens not rape because that was her plan all along.
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grmpysmrf

i think carmangary and senor smurf get it. the rest are pathetically lacking in the history of violence against women. ask yer momma or her sister or your sister or girlfriend. and do call me in the morning. dumbass.you don’t want to hear what is prevalent in our society.i am fortunate to have a partner who respects women. not too many of those guys around in the music industry,

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A girl getting drunk, having sex, and claiming she didn’t really want it seems about the same as a person getting drunk, having a car crash, and saying they didn’t really want to drive. It’s not all black and white but you get the point.

That’s not really rape then. Changing your mind in the morning doesn’t make the night before rape. If her intention is to get passed out drunk so she can get laid that makes the sex that happens not rape because that was her plan all along.
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grmpysmrf[/reply]

I’m not sure any woman would be so desparate to get laid that they will intentionally pass out to make it happen. A woman may be in the mood for love and wouldn’t mind a bit of George Clooney but just because she had a mind for Clloney doesn’t mean Philip Seymour Hoffman can come along and navigate her insides with his pencil. Her desire for Clooney does not mitigate Hoffman’s act.

When people are drunk they do (even consent to) things they would not if they were sober. In saying that no one no matter how obnoxious they act or slutty they dress deserves to be raped. But carmangary’s analogy is correct. Regret or a silly drunken move does not permit denial. I’ve read of many cases where false rape claims were made against dudes only for the accuser to withdraw or change their mind down the road and then feel sorry about it. Eh, not good enough. A false accuser should be prosecuted.

were i asked today to represent an accused murderer or drug dealer? yes. were rape or kids involved? no. it is a moral issue and a choice. there are plenty of competent attorneys who would take that client. not me.

btw, mick seems like a good guy too. (stinkin’ irishman)

. A false accuser should be prosecuted.

Absolutely, and with something a little more harsh that Slander.

Maybe there should be a registry for womyn who have falsely yelled rape.

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grmpysmrf

maybe

i aint the director of anything.

i think carmangary and senor smurf get it. the rest are pathetically lacking in the history of violence against women. ask yer momma or her sister or your sister or girlfriend. and do call me in the morning. dumbass.you don’t want to hear what is prevalent in our society.i am fortunate to have a partner who respects women. not too many of those guys around in the music industry,

i never said anything that any one could even take as misogynistic… i am actually a VERY active activist for trans/woman/genderqueer/androgynous rights and respect. i also believe that rape as a term is a mark of violence, and is a horrible violent crime, there is no question there. i dont think it should be ignored in the least, and im not saying that it needs to be a hang-able offense.

my issue with your original post is that i think it is a little stomach churning that you can condemn someone and want them dead/locked away forever instead of rehabilitated, or even defended.

like i said before, rape is disgusting in all of its forms, so is murder, so are a lot of sad acts that are perpetrated by a lot of the people i work with… but im not there to judge, i am there to help int he act of education and rehabilitation.

i understand your anger, very well, but still, i think there needs to be more rational than revenge in the american prison system.

[reply]i think carmangary and senor smurf get it. the rest are pathetically lacking in the history of violence against women. ask yer momma or her sister or your sister or girlfriend. and do call me in the morning. dumbass.you don’t want to hear what is prevalent in our society.i am fortunate to have a partner who respects women. not too many of those guys around in the music industry,

i never said anything that any one could even take as misogynistic… i am actually a VERY active activist for trans/woman/genderqueer/androgynous rights and respect. i also believe that rape as a term is a mark of violence, and is a horrible violent crime, there is no question there. i dont think it should be ignored in the least, and im not saying that it needs to be a hang-able offense.

my issue with your original post is that i think it is a little stomach churning that you can condemn someone and want them dead/locked away forever instead of rehabilitated, or even defended.

like i said before, rape is disgusting in all of its forms, so is murder, so are a lot of sad acts that are perpetrated by a lot of the people i work with… but im not there to judge, i am there to help int he act of education and rehabilitation.

i understand your anger, very well, but still, i think there needs to be more rational than revenge in the american prison system.[/reply]

I get the idea that you two are having 2 different conversations.
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grmpysmrf

I suppose it would depend on the degree of inappropriate sex… fucking a 6 year old while telling her to pray… i say death penalty.

It’s all about control. Some guys out there have a genuine tendency toward pre-pubescence. They see a child and become naturally aroused - whereas the majority just see a child as…asexual (something which, actually, they are not. In fact children start masturbating and are sexually aware at around age four). For whatever reason, they have eroticised children and integrated them into their adult fantasies. Is it their fault? I don’t think so, no more than being homosexual is your “fault”. What is it in their genetic make up that makes them this way? Is it hereditary like red hair and freckles??

We still don’t really know how the human psyche operates to some extent. I guess I’d want to understand what makes pedophiles tick just as Freud did. Both Freud and Kinsey both said that pedophilia is a perfectly “normal” emotional response. In years gone by, youth was eroticised and very much sought after but that concept has been demonized by religion and governments alike over the last century in particular. Are we really guilt tripping ourselves by repressing something that is in fact natural? Have we convinced ourselves that it’s not normal? Is it abnormal? Is being gay abnormal? It’s interesting. The human mind should have come with a manual.

But having said that, if you abduct a child and rape it just for kicks, then…adios. None of what I have touched upon abdicates the use of sexual violence towards children. It’s repulsive in the extreme.

whereas the majority just see a child as…asexual (something which, actually, they are not. In fact children start masturbating and are sexually aware at around age four).

I don’t think I agree with this. while technically yes little boys and little girls like each other and they think the other is pretty or handsome. I think the idea of sexuality to them is a foreign concept.

the closest they get to sexuality identity is gender roles and gender roles and sexual identity are no where near the same.

and while, yes, children may “masturbate” I think that’s adults putting too much stock into that behavior. Little kids don’t rub their genitals to get off or because they are aroused, they do it because it feels good, much in the same way hugging their favorite stuffy feels good or petting the dog feels good.

and not to be a complete dickhead here, but the actual definition of masturbation is manipulation of ones own genitals to orgasm. Little kids don’t orgasm so is it really masturbation?

For whatever reason, they have eroticised children and integrated them into their adult fantasies. Is it their fault? I don’t think so, no more than being homosexual is your “fault”.

I don’t think pedophilia and homosexuality are even comparable here. one involves consenting ADULTS (or bi curios high schoolers) the other is not

What is it in their genetic make up that makes them this way? Is it hereditary like red hair and freckles??

Good question but I think this is more of a disease than homosexuality. one could probably argue that homosexuality is a social disease because it is not productive to society but then again neither is straight couples that never have kids.

nothing good can come from fucking children. homosexuality and straight couples that don’t have children don’t really have any negative affects on society

I guess I’d want to understand what makes pedophiles tick just as Freud did. Both Freud and Kinsey both said that pedophilia is a perfectly “normal” emotional response.

??? Freud was a coke-head and much of his work has been discredited.

Kinsey,I’m not aware of him saying child fucking was “normal” but I do know that he though sexual orientation wasn’t easily classified into two categories.

I’ve always been under the impression that pedophiles are of 1 of 3 mind sets.
1.
They want to plant a flag “I WAS THE FIRST!!”

or

  1. Much like murders that cannibalize their victims, they want to ingest their essence, to really become one with them. I could see that pedophiles are trying to capture the innocence of those children they fuck.

or

  1. they think they are letting children in on a secret that they as children never got to know. little kids always want to be grown ups so maybe pedophiles are “helping” children full fill that wish of “knowing.”

those are just my theories.

In years gone by, youth was eroticised and very much sought after but that concept has been demonized by religion and governments alike over the last century in particular.

Youth has always been eroticised. it represents health and vitality, the ability to grow your seed, which is sexy… but is has always been after the youth hit puberty anything before that is not sexy at all. just … disgusting.

Religions demonize everything so I wouldn’t put too much stock into their rules (although I would say they are correct here)

And governments are the puppets of whoever pulls strings so again I would say this is religion again.

Are we really guilt tripping ourselves by repressing something that is in fact natural?

no. there is nothing to be gained by that behavior/act, not personally not socially

Have we convinced ourselves that it’s not normal?

not at all. there is nothing attractive about a 6 years old. she doesn’t have breasts, no hips, she can’t bear children, let alone care for herself… what is attractive about that? not even on a primitive level is that attractive.

Is it abnormal?

yes

Is being gay abnormal?

yes. when only 10 percent of the population is gay that would mean it’s not normal… However, I think you are confusing abnormal with, “bad”

It’s interesting. The human mind should have come with a manual.

Completely agree

But having said that, if you abduct a child and rape it just for kicks, then…adios. None of what I have touched upon abdicates the use of sexual violence towards children. It’s repulsive in the extreme.

I would argue that sex with a child can’t be anything but violent. that would have to be a grave trauma to those kids. they don’t know what they are getting in to.

Forgot to mention the obvious… child genitalia isn’t equipped to handle adult genitalia. Adult genitalia does physical (as well as psychological) damage to the child genitalia.

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