These guys get all the girls:
Too bad (for him) they don’t have little girls where he’s going. In fact he’s most likely going to end up being some guy’s “little girl”. Weird considering I seem to remember people doing this sort of thing in The Bible.
Please give your thoughts on this…
These guys get all the girls:
Too bad (for him) they don’t have little girls where he’s going. In fact he’s most likely going to end up being some guy’s “little girl”. Weird considering I seem to remember people doing this sort of thing in The Bible.
Please give your thoughts on this…
Several years old news at this point.
I do like how he kicked boys out of the compound if the #s started to tip in favor of more boys than girls.
Also love how he bugged everybodies dwellings (All the while not letting them have technology) so he could spy on them and then claim “God told him what they were praying about in private.”
Some people will believe anything to get into heaven.
Sad Sad Sad.
There is a book out called under the banner of Heaven that goes into depth on this very subject. It’s very good.
Late,
grmpysmrf
I only just heard about this. But what’s the big deal? Doesn’t this kind of thing happen all the time in the States? Years ago, when I was visiting friends in Montana, there was a huge raid on this “compound” only a few blocks from where I was staying. Families living in an underground bunker and adult males fathering children with…er…children. That kind of thing.
If I was the head of a polygamist sect I’d called myself ''El Papa" and I would wear a long white gown and no shoes and I’d have an enormous beard.
rape on every level is wrong. when i was practicing criminal defense in chicago, it was office policy no rape cases. or in the jargon of the time, no "muff"cases,and absolutely no child rape cases. if you feel comfortable as a defense lawyer to tackle those lies, god bless.lawyers who have to deal with these issues take comfort in the constitution. sometimes, even adhering to that document brings forth nausea. ain’t there, man. let jeffs rot.
Wasn’t the title of this thread a Lard song?
rape on every level is wrong. when i was practicing criminal defense in chicago, it was office policy no rape cases. or in the jargon of the time, no "muff"cases,and absolutely no child rape cases. if you feel comfortable as a defense lawyer to tackle those lies, god bless.lawyers who have to deal with these issues take comfort in the constitution. sometimes, even adhering to that document brings forth nausea. ain’t there, man. let jeffs rot.
that is an amazingly arrogant and ignorant statement right there.
i am in NO way saying that ‘child rapists’ should get off, or should be given a free pass, but to just not defend them when its your job is a sick and twisted misuse of the office. and more importantly, we ARE talking about alleged ‘child rapists’, until PROVEN guilty, we do have to KINDA figure that they MIGHT not be… you know, that nasty human rights thing…
i work with juvenile maximum security ‘offenders’ and some of the guys are convicted YSO (youths who have sexually offended) but that in no way makes them less human. people make mistakes, and people do horrible things, people take advantage of others, and yes, people do sickening things that i have a hard time dealing with, BUT that doesnt give anyone the right to just make a statement like ‘let them rot’.
its that kind of flippant ‘fuck this thing i dont understand or like’ attitude that keeps the american prison system from getting the public backing to actually work on REHABILITATION.
this one guy in question here is a creep and a twisted guy, but just locking him up wont help correct what he did wrong, and it sure as hell wont stop him from telling other people and feeling vindicated in his actions. he needs therapy, he needs help, he needs rehabilitation and some real intensive work done inside. NOT just blind and moronic punishment.
[reply]rape on every level is wrong. when i was practicing criminal defense in chicago, it was office policy no rape cases. or in the jargon of the time, no "muff"cases,and absolutely no child rape cases. if you feel comfortable as a defense lawyer to tackle those lies, god bless.lawyers who have to deal with these issues take comfort in the constitution. sometimes, even adhering to that document brings forth nausea. ain’t there, man. let jeffs rot.
that is an amazingly arrogant and ignorant statement right there.
i am in NO way saying that ‘child rapists’ should get off, or should be given a free pass, but to just not defend them when its your job is a sick and twisted misuse of the office. and more importantly, we ARE talking about alleged ‘child rapists’, until PROVEN guilty, we do have to KINDA figure that they MIGHT not be… you know, that nasty human rights thing…
i work with juvenile maximum security ‘offenders’ and some of the guys are convicted YSO (youths who have sexually offended) but that in no way makes them less human. people make mistakes, and people do horrible things, people take advantage of others, and yes, people do sickening things that i have a hard time dealing with, BUT that doesnt give anyone the right to just make a statement like ‘let them rot’.
its that kind of flippant ‘fuck this thing i dont understand or like’ attitude that keeps the american prison system from getting the public backing to actually work on REHABILITATION.
this one guy in question here is a creep and a twisted guy, but just locking him up wont help correct what he did wrong, and it sure as hell wont stop him from telling other people and feeling vindicated in his actions. he needs therapy, he needs help, he needs rehabilitation and some real intensive work done inside. NOT just blind and moronic punishment.[/reply]
^ +1
we’re about to adopt your fucked up prison system up here. conservatives got voted in promising to build super prisons and push through mandatory minimum sentence legislation (among other “tough on crime” bullshit).
[reply]rape on every level is wrong. when i was practicing criminal defense in chicago, it was office policy no rape cases. or in the jargon of the time, no "muff"cases,and absolutely no child rape cases. if you feel comfortable as a defense lawyer to tackle those lies, god bless.lawyers who have to deal with these issues take comfort in the constitution. sometimes, even adhering to that document brings forth nausea. ain’t there, man. let jeffs rot.
that is an amazingly arrogant and ignorant statement right there.
i am in NO way saying that ‘child rapists’ should get off, or should be given a free pass, but to just not defend them when its your job is a sick and twisted misuse of the office.
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I don’t think it’s a misuse of the job only in that perhaps her firm wasn’t comfortable with looking at that type of crime. best not to get involved. as a defense firm you’re not obligated to take EVERY case that shows up on your doorstep…
Not every day you get a law firm with scruples. Bravo.
Other than that I agree with most everything else you said.
we’re about to adopt your fucked up prison system up here. conservatives got voted in promising to build super prisons and push through mandatory minimum sentence legislation (among other “tough on crime” bullshit).
that’s a damn shame once the Prison for profit market hits watch your criminal #'s soar! If you build it they will come!
Late,
grmpysmrf
Dealing with crimes of sexual perversion is a difficult and largely unrewarding task. No one wants to do it. Counselling a nine year old who has been repeatedly raped since she was six would be damn near almost unbearable. Not to mention heartbreaking.
I do however, think that a life sentence should only be given in the case of premeditated murder. Handing someone a fifty year sentence for “inappropriate dealings” with a child (without penetration…I’m not even talking about rape) is just absurd, but I’ve heard of it happening. The punishment just does not fit the crime. The American penal seems to be set up primarily to hurt people - particularly the poor. Where’s the rehabilitation? Prison should be like hospital: go in sick and come out better.
Thank heavens we don’t have that kind of sentencing in Australia. Imagine being falsely convicted of “touching” the neighbour’s kid and were sentenced to life in prison because the jury didn’t like the look of you.
I have nothing against polygamy but these religious sect compounds are always bad news. If this guy is convicted send him away.
Prison v rehabilitation? First consideration should be the severity (and frequency) of the crime(s).
To use an extreme example if someone is a multiple child rapist then in no way should he be allowed out; there’s no cure for paedophilia (yet), and the well being of children should always come before a child rapist’s second chance.
But in the case of say an 18 year screws a 15 year old girl. It’s consensual but it’s still statutory rape. If the guy knew she was 15 he obviously should have known better and shame on him for bad judgement. Community service and a fine is enough.
People and gov.s and unfortunately some judiciarys still look to or are influenced by religious principles when it comes to sex. Religion is the last place to look for understanding sex… and everything else.
That’s pretty swell that the firm wouldn’t touch rape cases.
Because I know one chap who got accused of the big R who would never even think of such a thing.
I was absolutely astonished when I heard what he’d been accused of. He had heaps of female friends. I used to ask him occasionally, if there was more to it. He replied that he looked at them like sisters. I thought it was a weird thing to say, and I didn’t get it, because they were pretty nice girls and I’d have taken a chance if I ever could’ve, but that’s just the way he saw them. I knew nearly all of them mutually, and you could tell they loved him, but it was totally different to any dynamic I’d ever sort of experienced with a girl.
Anyway, the girl retracted her claim and even wrote him a letter of apology- not under duress, mind. She actually felt pretty bad about it.
So, I shudder to think of a world where if someone like him sought a legal defence and couldn’t find one.
never said jeffs didn’t deserve a constitutionally mandated defense. my firm chose not to take rape cases. period. if that doesn’t make sense to some of you, look at it this way ( and I take it most of you are musicians) you don’t take on shitty bandmembers JUST TO PAY YOUR BILLS.i interned at the ACLU in chicago as a law student. i’ve seen the dregs of the dregs and please don’t yell at me for not representing the us constitution. and btw, rapists still should go away. call it an aesthetic call, whatever you will. yes, they deserve the same protections under the law, but i and my firm were not about to afford them that privilege. and they found someone else.
you don’t get to work at the aclu unless you understand the bill of rights.quick question. who here knows anything about the bill of right. hm.
I know about the Bill of Rights and I’ve seen the Bill of Rights (or rather a replica).
never said jeffs didn’t deserve a constitutionally mandated defense. my firm chose not to take rape cases. period. if that doesn’t make sense to some of you, look at it this way ( and I take it most of you are musicians) you don’t take on shitty bandmembers JUST TO PAY YOUR BILLS.i interned at the ACLU in chicago as a law student. i’ve seen the dregs of the dregs and please don’t yell at me for not representing the us constitution. and btw, rapists still should go away. call it an aesthetic call, whatever you will. yes, they deserve the same protections under the law, but i and my firm were not about to afford them that privilege. and they found someone else.
there is a considerable difference between those two things, the comparison doesnt stand.
i just feel like deciding that an entire section of social justice shouldnt be ignored by a law firm because the just dont like the issue. to me that is baffling. as someone who has his own/associated experiences with sexual abuse, it IS hard for me to sit in a room and work with guys and girls who are accused of these things. it IS hard for me to sit there and have conversations about their charges, and it is AMAZINGLY uncomfortable to have to advocate for them… but its what i chose to do, and its what i believe should be done.
as for the statement someone here made about the rate and severity influencing the punishment v rehabilitation argument, you have a VERY valid point, but i would argue further that the more severe and frequent, the more rehabilitation is NEEDED, because CLEARLY then it is an impulse and internal issue.
call me a bleeding heart vegan liberal fagot, but i do honestly believe that EVERY PERSON deserves the help and dignity of society. even someoen who doesnt feel that way about others, they just need to be educated. now i agree that there needs to be some sort of way to separate people who commit dangerous acts, maybe even for huge amounts of time, but the prison system as america has it is repulsive, and it does need to be changed, radically.
[reply]never said jeffs didn’t deserve a constitutionally mandated defense. my firm chose not to take rape cases. period. if that doesn’t make sense to some of you, look at it this way ( and I take it most of you are musicians) you don’t take on shitty bandmembers JUST TO PAY YOUR BILLS.i interned at the ACLU in chicago as a law student. i’ve seen the dregs of the dregs and please don’t yell at me for not representing the us constitution. and btw, rapists still should go away. call it an aesthetic call, whatever you will. yes, they deserve the same protections under the law, but i and my firm were not about to afford them that privilege. and they found someone else.
there is a considerable difference between those two things, the comparison doesnt stand.
i just feel like deciding that an entire section of social justice shouldnt be ignored by a law firm because the just dont like the issue. to me that is baffling. as someone who has his own/associated experiences with sexual abuse, it IS hard for me to sit in a room and work with guys and girls who are accused of these things. it IS hard for me to sit there and have conversations about their charges, and it is AMAZINGLY uncomfortable to have to advocate for them… but its what i chose to do, and its what i believe should be done.
as for the statement someone here made about the rate and severity influencing the punishment v rehabilitation argument, you have a VERY valid point, but i would argue further that the more severe and frequent, the more rehabilitation is NEEDED, because CLEARLY then it is an impulse and internal issue.
call me a bleeding heart vegan liberal fagot, but i do honestly believe that EVERY PERSON deserves the help and dignity of society. even someoen who doesnt feel that way about others, they just need to be educated. now i agree that there needs to be some sort of way to separate people who commit dangerous acts, maybe even for huge amounts of time, but the prison system as america has it is repulsive, and it does need to be changed, radically.[/reply]
makes me happy to know there are people like you out there.
rape is violence against another person. nothing sexy about that.jeffs was convicted. bye. go directly to jail. my understanding of the criminal justice system in the united states of america is everyone gets a fair trial. i have defended presumed murderers, drug dealers, drug kingpins and petty thieves. and NEVER EVER a RAPIST. call me out for being greaseball, but i had my own experience (not rape) which turned my attention.any of you knuckleheads know what it feels like to wake up with your body in shock after having your neck twisted?i was nineteen. and not raped. just losing body fluid massively. nice story.
I don’t think he was convicted yet… his closing argument was a letter written by god to let his servent go, though. So I’m assuming he’s on his way.
Late,
grmpysmrf
go to jail. go directly to jail.what a scumbag, he told those kids to pray whilst he was illegallly fucking them. go to jail. i enjoyed being a criminal defense lawyer, but kid issues go to the heart, my heart, and you get nothing from me.but a song…
i have defended presumed murderers, drug dealers, drug kingpins and petty thieves. and NEVER EVER a RAPIST. call me out for being greaseball, but i had my own experience
Great. So you’ll…defend somebody who takes the life of another person, but won’t defend another who had, say, inappropriate sex?
Round of applause, kiddo.
BTW you don’t express yourself as eloquently as I would assume someone as “educated” as a criminal lawyer would. Your diatribes seem rambling and disjointed. Not to mention just plain weird at times.