[reply]Crazy motherfuckers who want guns will get them. They obviously aren’t gonna go the legal route.
and with the sheer amount of guns out there, crazy motherfuckers will always have an easy time getting those guns. where does it stop?
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My guess is it won’t stop. Obtaining illegal guns won’t go away unless somehow all guns were magically evaporated… and that ain’t gonna happen.
[reply][reply]Crazy motherfuckers who want guns will get them. They obviously aren’t gonna go the legal route.
and with the sheer amount of guns out there, crazy motherfuckers will always have an easy time getting those guns. where does it stop?
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grmpysmrf[/reply]
My guess is it won’t stop. Obtaining illegal guns won’t go away unless somehow all guns were magically evaporated… and that ain’t gonna happen.[/reply]
I don’t think anyone thinks it will ever go away but curtail it certainly. I think Australia’s numbers are down something ridiculous like 60%
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grmpysmrf
What’s an NFA?
I couldn’t care less what gun laws are in Australia or anywhere outside of the United States.
Of course not, you’d rather reinvent the wheel. What a wonderful business model. and you think ignorance is not driving your opinion. What’s even worse is you are apparently proud of your wilful ignorance. This is why nothing good ever happens here… This is why America can’t have nice things.
Fear and ignorance driving my opinion? Hardly.
you just copped to ignorance above.
I enjoy my firearms and taking them out to the range periodically. Nothing more, nothing less. The fact that the anti gun crowd are completely terrified of them, make it that much more enjoyable.
nobody is terrified of them. We just understand what the rest of the “GIMMIE IT, IT’S MINE” crowd does not. that it’s not worth it.
If someone wants to break into my home and try and steal my rifles - go for it. I won’t stop you. They aren’t used for home protection. I’ll put on a pot of tea and watch whomever tries to steal my gun vault or break into it for that matter. It will take days. It’s not some wimpy vault. It weighs about 800 lbs, bolted to a concrete floor and has 4 inch thick walls and door. Gun safety is something I take very seriously.
If only every gun owner did the same but you are clearly the exception.
BTW, I like that you’re honest about your guns being toys and not this ultimate force of “protection”
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[reply]I couldn’t care less what gun laws are in Australia or anywhere outside of the United States.
Of course not, you’d rather reinvent the wheel. What a wonderful business model. and you think ignorance is not driving your opinion. What’s even worse is you are apparently proud of your wilful ignorance. This is why nothing good ever happens here… This is why America can’t have nice things.[/reply]
Bzzzzzt. Wrong. I just don’t give a crap about gun laws in other countries. They are free to do what they wish. You are making assumptions that are simply not there.
Exactly how does gun laws in Australia or anywhere else keep one from having nice things? Non sequitur.
Because I actually enjoy going to the range and shooting my firearms makes me willfully ignorant? Of what?[/reply]
Are you being this dense on purpose? Gun laws in other countries (countries much like ours) provide a template for us to follow if we are serious about making this country safer with our guns.
because people like yourself who refuse to even look at any type of gun regulation let alone successful regulation is why we can’t have nice things. because we’re too busy looking over our shoulder. what great freedom.
Let’s let millions of crazy assholes have guns cause you want to go to the range once or twice a month over the summer… excellent trade off
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nobody is terrified of them. We just understand what the rest of the “GIMMIE IT, IT’S MINE” crowd does not. that it’s not worth it.
Huh? I have no idea what you are talking about. Perhaps you should worry about yourself instead of calling me ignorant because you simply don’t like firearms.
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I’m talking about the regulations of guns… try to keep up, man. I am worrying about myself, thank you. It has nothing to do with like or dislike it has to do with responsible and irresponsible within the country and we are clearly irresponsible.
[reply]BTW, I like that you’re honest about your guns being toys and not this ultimate force of “protection”
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Firearms are most definitely not toys. Not mine. Not anyone else’s. Those who consider them toys are not responsible gun owners and shouldn’t own them.
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what do you call that which you take out and play with over the summer months? You already said you know they aren’t protecting shit. What do you consider them if not protection or toys?
As far as home protection goes, a nice pump action shotgun, such as a Remington 870, will do the job quite nicely. Cut the barrel down to 18 inches - the minimum legal length. I wouldn’t use a rifle. While certainly intimidating, most are too long. You wan’t something maneuverable in tight quarters.
all fine advice assuming you haven’t been shot while you sleep or while your back was turned or an intruder was interesting in getting into a stand off with you. but in the time that this thread has been created we’ve seen gun violence and death within two police departments. It really doesn’t mean fuck all if you have a gun if the perp gets the drop on you… which he probably will if he’s determined. speaking of determined and to bring this back to your original argument you’re more likely to survive a knife attack than a gun attack even if you are surprised by it.
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[reply]Crazy motherfuckers who want guns will get them. They obviously aren’t gonna go the legal route.
and with the sheer amount of guns out there, crazy motherfuckers will always have an easy time getting those guns. where does it stop?
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grmpysmrf[/reply]
I think it stops with a better mental health care system?
You can take away all the guns and these mentally unstable people will still find a way to kill. And often times you hear of them showing warning signs, and then before you know it they pop. And you have yourself an Adam Lanza, who btw showed many warning signs that he was gonna pop. I guess people just ignored them or didn’t think much of it. I think he had Aspergers.
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…although perhaps having a gun at yr disposal now and then ain’t such a bad thing after all…
What’s Shul, Frum, and Minchat?
I think it stops with a better mental health care system?
you can’t force people to go. Adam Lanza is kind of a special case too. How many of these shooting sprees happened with the perp showing no signs of poor mental health prior? More often than not these things are spur of the moment “temporary insanity” situations, Where someone doesn’t think shit through and they just show up and seek revenge on anyone in the way.
You can take away all the guns and these mentally unstable people will still find a way to kill.
yeah, but still kill the same amount and with the same ease? James Holmes killed almost more than double in 15 minutes than all the people killed by Richard Ramirez.
And often times you hear of them showing warning signs, and then before you know it they pop.
This isn’t the norm. Were the columbine kids seeing a shrink?
And you have yourself an Adam Lanza, who btw showed many warning signs that he was gonna pop. I guess people just ignored them or didn’t think much of it. I think he had Aspergers.
The vast majority of aspergers sufferers are not violent and it would suck if they started to gain that rep because of this guy.
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What’s Shul, Frum, and Minchat?
I’m guessing not something pleasant.
[reply]I think it stops with a better mental health care system?
you can’t force people to go. Adam Lanza is kind of a special case too. How many of these shooting sprees happened with the perp showing no signs of poor mental health prior? More often than not these things are spur of the moment “temporary insanity” situations, Where someone doesn’t think shit through and they just show up and seek revenge on anyone in the way.
You can take away all the guns and these mentally unstable people will still find a way to kill.
yeah, but still kill the same amount and with the same ease? James Holmes killed almost more than double in 15 minutes than all the people killed by Richard Ramirez.
And often times you hear of them showing warning signs, and then before you know it they pop.
This isn’t the norm. Were the columbine kids seeing a shrink?
And you have yourself an Adam Lanza, who btw showed many warning signs that he was gonna pop. I guess people just ignored them or didn’t think much of it. I think he had Aspergers.
The vast majority of aspergers sufferers are not violent and it would suck if they started to gain that rep because of this guy.
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I don’t know much about the Columbine kids. I’d bet there were warning signs with them. I remember seeing videos of them shooting guns off in the woods and crap, I dont know if that came out after the shootings and people were oblivious to it prior to, but I’d bet money someone knew that there was something off about them.
I don’t know much about the Columbine kids. I’d bet there were warning signs with them. I remember seeing videos of them shooting guns off in the woods and crap, I dont know if that came out after the shootings and people were oblivious to it prior to, but I’d bet money someone knew that there was something off about them.
If the warning signs for mentally unsound is recording yourself shooting guns off in the woods then I’m pretty sure the entire NRA membership is up for psychiatric review.
As far as singling out the odd ducks, see [url http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three]The West Memphis Three, for people speculating about kids being “off”
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yeah, but still kill the same amount and with the same ease? James Holmes killed almost more than double in 15 minutes than all the people killed by Richard Ramirez.
Actually he KILLED less (12 as opposed to Ramirez’ 15) but injured a crap ton more (58). But the concept you’re arguing is valid . . . with a gun you can kill fast, you can kill many, and you can do it all from a lengthy distance from your targets. There is certainly a higher level of commitment needed for someone who chooses to stab, strangle, hit, beat, bludgeon, slice, etc.
I was kind of thinking about all this last night when the beginning of “Gangs of New York” came on TV. I was impressed with the old school butcher-style brutality of those old timey battles . . . crowds of men with pitchforks, bats, and hammers, charging into crowds of men with axes, daggers, chains, etc. . . .
I’ve often considered the reality that I could have faced had I chosen to enlist in the military or been theoretically drafted. It’s easy to put myself in such a position (I am NOT at all discounting the sacrifices taken and risks assumed by the men and women in service, by the way). I’m driving a tank, I’m shooting a gun, I’m jumping out of a plane . . . yes, I may get shot or blown to pieces, and marching around in the desert wearing full garb and 100 pounds of gear sucks ass, but the violence and gore, for the most part, is sudden and quick and I will not often be staring into the screaming face of my enemy when I take his life or he attempts to take mine.
Old school battle, though . . . holy crap. That’s another game. There is no denying the reality of it and there is, in my opinion, no putting it into any metaphorical or cosmic sense of psychological detachment.
There’s this amazing connection between warfare, killing, and video games. This is just as much a case of video games being closer to life as it is life being closer to video games.
I’ve heard MANY first hand shooter accounts or warfare accounts that liken the situation to a video game. In fact, as I recall, when Dylan and Eric were shooting up Columbine they even said, “Man, this is just like a video game!” I have NEVER heard a physical hands-on serial killer ever say he thought his actions were like a video game. I have never even heard a mixed martial arts fighter say this.
Anyway . . . I think a gun enables someone to:
Anyway, I don’t really have an agenda here. I just had random thoughts in my head that I felt like puking onto the monitor.
I guess when it comes to gun laws and control, I’m one of the boring generic citizens that fall in the middle. I think people should have the right to have one or a few, but there should be a bunch of regulations and qualifications thereof. I think it is GREAT that someone is required to take classes and get a license to own a gun. We don’t let people willy nilly get driver’s licenses and only address their infractions after the fact, why should a gun be any different? I also think that, like owning a venomous snake or a lion or something, there should be liability emphasized on the ownership of a gun. If you leave your gun on the coffee table and your 4 year old shoots himself in the face, I hope that you are held accountable.
[reply]I don’t know much about the Columbine kids. I’d bet there were warning signs with them. I remember seeing videos of them shooting guns off in the woods and crap, I dont know if that came out after the shootings and people were oblivious to it prior to, but I’d bet money someone knew that there was something off about them.
If the warning signs for mentally unsound is recording yourself shooting guns off in the woods then I’m pretty sure the entire NRA membership is up for psychiatric review.
As far as singling out the odd ducks, see [url http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Memphis_Three]The West Memphis Three, for people speculating about kids being “off”
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Well yea. Give any teenager an automatic weapon, and sure he’ll prob blast some trees for fun… but I meant, maybe some classmates noticed they acting strange right before their rampage and didnt report it.
Gonna have to read up on Columbine asap!
Well yea. Give any teenager an automatic weapon, and sure he’ll prob blast some trees for fun… but I meant, maybe some classmates noticed they acting strange right before their rampage and didnt report it.
Gonna have to read up on Columbine asap!
I suppose there’s a bit of a shift and more erring on the side of caution nowadays than there was in the past, but, yes, there is a BIG difference between just being a weird kid and being the kid that shoots a bunch of others at school.
In many of the older cases I remember there would be reports of other kids saying, “Yeah, I heard them talking about bringing guns to school to shoot everyone,” or “He said on his Facebook that he was going to shoot his teacher with his dad’s handgun.” Also, there were cases where these kids would BRING a gun to school and show it to others.
The above are all major red flags and should be non-negotiable items. Someone needs to blow a whistle immediately, and kids and adults alike need to be educated that it is their responsibility to do so or . . . yeah, sorry, Kids, but y’all might end up as bloody goo on the 6’o’clock news.
However, on the more “open-to-interpretation” type of items, I would have been on the watch list all the time had I gone to high school post-Columbine. I often drew violent pictures, listened to “questionable” bands, dressed kind of weird, had weird friends. My friends and I were even fascinated by weapons (collected knives in addition to discussing military weaponry and such). I got enough flack from administrators just for being me (and yes, I got in trouble for actual mischief too). Half of the things I was up to back in the day would have brought an FBI agent to my doorstep in 2013.
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yeah, but still kill the same amount and with the same ease? James Holmes killed almost more than double in 15 minutes than all the people killed by Richard Ramirez.
Actually he KILLED less (12 as opposed to Ramirez’ 15) but injured a crap ton more (58). But the concept you’re arguing is valid . . . [/reply]
I read he was being charged with 24 counts of murder
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57482205-504083/james-holmes-charged-with-24-counts-of-first-degree-murder-in-aurora-colo-movie-theater-massacre/
In fact, as I recall, when Dylan and Eric were shooting up Columbine they even said, “Man, this is just like a video game!”
Who reported they said this? are they on tape saying this. This sounds like hype for the esrb.
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grmpysmrf
I read he was being charged with 24 counts of murder
I couldn’t remember (I only looked it up because I thought it was way MORE actually, haha) but I google’d it really fast to get the numbers. I didn’t really cross check or anything.
Who reported they said this? are they on tape saying this. This sounds like hype for the esrb.
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grmpysmrf
I don’t think they’re on tape saying that. It was second-hand report, I believe (overheard by others during the incident). I don’t have any vested interest here, so it ain’t worth looking up any references.
I don’t think they’re on tape saying that. It was second-hand report, I believe (overheard by others during the incident). I don’t have any vested interest here, so it ain’t worth looking up any references.
Understood.
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grmpysmrf
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Delicious!
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grmpysmrf
[reply]What’s Shul, Frum, and Minchat?
I’m guessing not something pleasant.[/reply]
Jewish stuff. Shul is a Yiddish word for synagogue, Frum is a Yiddish word for Orthodoxy, and Mincha is afternoon prayer (I had to look those last two up).
This person is some weird breed of anti-gay, young earth creationist, ultra-orthodox Jew (spelling God “G-d” is another giveaway).
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