Here We Go Again.....Another School Shooting

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Perhaps another issue we should be looking at is - why are there so many “bullied loners” in western society? Maybe bullying itself is something we need to look closer at. Teenagers (heck, even many adults) think it’s “hilarious” to bully, intimidate and isolate their peers. It gives them a sense of importance, not to mention a hit of power when they score points off the weak. Perhaps if more people reached out to these types, instead of laughing and jeering at their awkwardnes, we might have a hell of a lot less of these types of incidents.

Is it mere coincidence that these crimes tend to be perpetrated by bullied, young male loners?

Perhaps all these guys needed all along was a good friend?

Westerners are all so busy trampling on each other to get to the top. Then they cry when those who are trampled on fight back.

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Perhaps another issue we should be looking at is - why are there so many “bullied loners” in western society? Maybe bullying itself is something we need to look closer at. Teenagers (heck, even many adults) think it’s “hilarious” to bully, intimidate and isolate their peers. It gives them a sense of importance, not to mention a hit of power when they score points off the weak. Perhaps if more people reached out to these types, instead of laughing and jeering at their awkwardnes, we might have a hell of a lot less of these types of incidents.

Is it mere coincidence that these crimes tend to be perpetrated by bullied, young male loners?

Perhaps all these guys needed all along was a good friend?

Westerners are all so busy trampling on each other to get to the top. Then they cry when those who are trampled on fight back.

you sound like a democratic liberal. better not let fox news hear you talking like that or they’ll kick you out of their little republican club.
aside from tickling your ribs just now, this is one of those rare times when you and I are in total agreement. That is certainly a component of the problem.
Late,
grmpysmrf

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Most would dare to say that access to proper medical care for the supposed mentally defunct is not as easily attainable as other nations. But that’s a whole other (but logical) matter re: who is disturbed enough to do shooting rampages.

Say! About the Swiss and guns - did you know that gun practice and training is MANDATORY there?

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Perhaps another issue we should be looking at is - why are there so many “bullied loners” in western society? Maybe bullying itself is something we need to look closer at. Teenagers (heck, even many adults) think it’s “hilarious” to bully, intimidate and isolate their peers. It gives them a sense of importance, not to mention a hit of power when they score points off the weak. Perhaps if more people reached out to these types, instead of laughing and jeering at their awkwardnes, we might have a hell of a lot less of these types of incidents.

Is it mere coincidence that these crimes tend to be perpetrated by bullied, young male loners?

Perhaps all these guys needed all along was a good friend?

Westerners are all so busy trampling on each other to get to the top. Then they cry when those who are trampled on fight back.

State law vs federal law on certain issues are big deals in the U.S.
Gay marriage, for example.

It’s difficult for different states to get their acts together on issues like bullying. I went to two different high schools, one in GA and one in NC. The one in GA was a hotbed of prejudice - literally blacks vs whites. Never ended. The one in NC had a zero tolerance on fighting. If someone even pulled hair, to the office you go and the cops are called. Two-week minimum suspension which usually resulted in expulsion. Suffice to say, no one bullied anyone there. It was a great school and yes they even had “cliques”.

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It was a great school and yes they even had “cliques”.

Did you have a goth group, math group and creepy, violent video game playing social outcast group?

We had cliques at school. We had bullying. We had nerds. We had jocks. We had smart asians. We had angry loners. We had weird music loving art guys (me!! yay!!). But nobody ever got seriously beat up let alone freaking shot with an assault rifle. Even if we had access to those kind of weapons I doubt very much anyone at my school would have been crazy enough to use them on their classmates. I think the worst thing I ever saw was some Jewish kid (and probably the only Jewish kid in the entire school…poor guy) got decked on my bus by some thug. That’s the worst thing I remember seeing in six years of attending that school.

Worst thing that ever happened to me was, in my first week of school, some kid snuck up behind me and crouched down, then some other kid pushed me over him and they both ran away laughing. That was my worst memory at school. That’s pretty much it. Oh…and some of the other kids gave me shit about me liking Metallica.

There’s something about America that seems to bring out both the best and the worst in people. It’s like a country of extremes.

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Say! About the Swiss and guns - did you know that gun practice and training is MANDATORY there?

Correct. And it’s updated on an annual basis, I believe. And there are the same types of pre-requisites for gun ownership and purchase (background checks, clean criminal record, no history of unsafe behaviour/psychoti behaviour, etc.) that are anathema to many who use that Swiss cliche in the gun control argument.

Furthermore, they are a WEALTHY nation without many of the same urban or suburban problems that we are plagued with in the US.

Oh . . . and I’m sure very few, if any, of the rightwing gun humpers that use the Swiss argument will admit that Switzerland also enjoys its SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.

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Can we just let this thread die and go back to talking about stupid funny shit? Like what bands suck and which Nightmare On Elm Street is better. Children die every day in 3rd world countries. Some of them probably similar to what happened here in the states. How are a bunch of american kindergarteners any different than kids in a 3rd world country dying of starvation or whatever else? Sure I’m intrigued as to why dude did it, but this should only be a big deal for the families involved. It’s not like it’s some worldwide catastrophe. I hate to quote the Beatles here, but life goes on.

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How are a bunch of american kindergarteners any different than kids in a 3rd world country dying of starvation or whatever else?

It’s different because we’re NOT a third world country.
And these children didn’t die of starvation.
They all got shot by a crazy mofo with a gun (or guns).

I really don’t understand this argument or why people bring it up. I know it ain’t because the people that raise it actually give a crap about the starving Africans (or they’d actually be doing something about it).

As far as hitting personally . . . yeah, obviously those that died or had children in the school are more affected than others, but as this type of incident is representative of other events that either do happen or COULD happen in anyone’s community, it is obviously something that captures the attention and concern of our society as a whole.

Is there a point to this other than to exhibit your own apathy? And I’m not judging you for that, by the way (I’m apathetic to many events and tragedies too, but I don’t raise a stink when others actually DO care) I’m just really curious.

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Is there a point to this other than to exhibit your own apathy? And I’m not judging you for that, by the way (I’m apathetic to many events and tragedies too, but I don’t raise a stink when others actually DO care) I’m just really curious.

I honestly didn’t know what apathy meant til now. In other words, not caring? Forgive me for sounding like an asshole, but the only way I would care is if it involved my kid(s). But I’m never gonna have kids knock on wood so I just find it kind of annoying that this is a topic of discussion on here, even if it is headline news. I’m sure others were annoyed at my post about the bombings in Jerusalem a month ago and I’m sure others would be annoyed at me posting some shit about how the apocalypse may very well happen this friday. So whether or not the whole world ends on friday, the world ended for a homicidal manic, his mother, an entire kindergarten class and a few other people. Now it’s starting to make me wonder if we’re next… DUN DUN DUN.

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[reply]Is there a point to this other than to exhibit your own apathy? And I’m not judging you for that, by the way (I’m apathetic to many events and tragedies too, but I don’t raise a stink when others actually DO care) I’m just really curious.

…Forgive me for sounding like an asshole, but the only way I would care is if it involved my kid(s). But I’m never gonna have kids knock on wood so I just find it kind of annoying that this is a topic of discussion on here, even if it is headline news. I’m sure others were annoyed at my post about the bombings in Jerusalem a month ago.[/reply]
this is probably the most selfish thing, I’ve ever read. No wonder our countries in the shitter. too many people don’t give a fuck unless it involves them personally. tragic. [:(] guess what Eureka, you live here, you have humanity (or at least should) this affects you whether you have kids or not. for you to be annoyed at it says probably more about your character than I’m sure you want people to know. I’m not mad at you, I don’t hate you, just disappointed you’ve bought into this whole “my personal space is the only space that matters” bullshit. maybe if we all cared a little more about eachother this wouldn’t be such an angry place. but I know that unfortunately that kind of thinking is a survival tactic for most. and one that’s not going to go away any time soon
Late,
grmpysmrf

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[reply][reply]Is there a point to this other than to exhibit your own apathy? And I’m not judging you for that, by the way (I’m apathetic to many events and tragedies too, but I don’t raise a stink when others actually DO care) I’m just really curious.

…Forgive me for sounding like an asshole, but the only way I would care is if it involved my kid(s). But I’m never gonna have kids knock on wood so I just find it kind of annoying that this is a topic of discussion on here, even if it is headline news. I’m sure others were annoyed at my post about the bombings in Jerusalem a month ago.[/reply]
this is probably the most selfish thing, I’ve ever read. No wonder our countries in the shitter. too many people don’t give a fuck unless it involves them personally. tragic. [:(] guess what Eureka, you live here, you have humanity (or at least should) this affects you whether you have kids or not. for you to be annoyed at it says probably more about your character than I’m sure you want people to know. I’m not mad at you, I don’t hate you, just disappointed you’ve bought into this whole “my personal space is the only space that matters” bullshit. maybe if we all cared a little more about eachother this wouldn’t be such an angry place. but I know that unfortunately that kind of thinking is a survival tactic for most. and one that’s not going to go away any time soon
Late,
grmpysmrf[/reply]

Now you’re making me feel bad. You may think it says a lot about me, but it really doesn’t. I’m sure if we ever met you’d find me more entertaining and cooler than this. I’m not gonna apologize for what I’ve said, but I’m sorry for offending you and I’ll admit that I should’ve just kept my comments to myself. If I ever do have kids I’m sure I’ll get a little paranoid that this may happen to them, whether it be similar to this situation, or something more like Columbine, or Santine. Hell, it could be my kid shooting me and a class of kindergarteners.

EDIT: I just re read what you said. I’m annoyed that we’re talking about it, not the situation itself.

As I finished typing the first part, before the edit, some shit got knocked ovber in my room and there was nobody around. Then it got a little foggy in front of my closet and on my computer screen. Perhaps I’ve angered a spirit…

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I think what irked us, Eureka, was not so much that you were not “moved” by the incident. While I think most people do generally feel an emotional connection to this on some level I can’t deny that it is our usual tendency to be pretty callous in general as we get bombarded by so much of this stuff every day on the news that we get a bit numbed.

You just took it a step further and actually expressed irritation that others felt moved to discuss the incident or vent some emotions accordingly. It reaked the same way the asshole in the Porsche that doesn’t want to move over for the ambulance reaks.

We didn’t shut down the site. We didn’t put up any banners or anything. And the singular thread for the topic is well-marked and easy to avoid if the topic didn’t hold your interest.

It was just weird to see someone angry at others for seeing or feeling something outside of their own little bubble of life. I wish you well and pray that you will never have to experience anything of this magnitude.

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Now you’re making me feel bad.

Serious? little kids got shot up you don’t care and I get emotional on you for not caring and now you only care that I got emotional on you? Odd priorities sir, odd priorities

btw no manipulation here. I ain’t trying to make you feel bad. what’s the point in that? You are your own man.

You may think it says a lot about me, but it really doesn’t. I’m sure if we ever met you’d find me more entertaining and cooler than this.

I’m sure you are. I was just seriously taken aback by what you wrote.

I’m not gonna apologize for what I’ve said,

Why should you? If I’m entitled to my opinions you are too.

but I’m sorry for offending you

You didn’t offend, more of shocked me that’s all. Wasn’t expecting that from anybody.

and I’ll admit that I should’ve just kept my comments to myself.

if you really thought you were adding to the conversation no real harm done.

If I ever do have kids I’m sure I’ll get a little paranoid that this may happen to them, whether it be similar to this situation, or something more like Columbine, or Santine.

I think this would strike me worse if I didn’t have a kid. just proving how alone i’d really be. I’m happy I can hug my son at night after all of this.

Hell, it could be my kid shooting me and a class of kindergarteners.

Don’t buy guns.

EDIT: I just re read what you said. I’m annoyed that we’re talking about it, not the situation itself.

What are we supposed to do? ignore it? People just grieve this way. whether they had a personal horse in the race or not.

Late,
grmpysmrf

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The ironic thing, for the ones clamoring for more gun control, is that pretty much the exact same thing happened in China, on the same day, with a knife.

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The ironic thing, for the ones clamoring for more gun control, is that pretty much the exact same thing happened in China, on the same day, with a knife.

I didn’t get any updates recently so it’s possible that some of the injured may have converted to casualties, but I did see the report last week. It was a similar style attack (pissed off psycho dickhead looking to hurt/kill a bunch of people) but rather than detract from the argument against guns, I think this actually highlights how much more indescriminantly destructive a firearm in the hands of a killer is versus a knife . . .

22 injured is much different than 26 DEAD.

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[reply]The ironic thing, for the ones clamoring for more gun control, is that pretty much the exact same thing happened in China, on the same day, with a knife.

I didn’t get any updates recently so it’s possible that some of the injured may have converted to casualties, but I did see the report last week. It was a similar style attack (pissed off psycho dickhead looking to hurt/kill a bunch of people) but rather than detract from the argument against guns, I think this actually highlights how much more indescriminantly destructive a firearm in the hands of a killer is versus a knife . . .

22 injured is much different than 26 DEAD.[/reply]

Ok yeah, that then.

Either way, it’s an important element to the equation I think…the link between these two incidents.

Regarding gun control, I don’t have a strong opinion on the issue mainly because I don’t feel sufficiently educated about it to have one.

My intuition, though, is that despite the fact that I think we all hate to see the Constitution continue to die a little bit more and more, the 2nd Amendment is rather antiquated and doesn’t make sense with automatic weapons involved.

As someone else pointed out, a corrupt government has more efficient means of controlling people than violence nowadays.

This modern phenomenon of school shootings is rather puzzling though, and I don’t agree with those who are quick to blame entertainment, media etc. because I think it’s a cop out and an easy target. If anything, society is LESS violent than it’s ever been, and entertainment mirrors the forbidden fruit that is lurking under the surface in people’s minds.

I think the fact that we are so far removed from violence in our daily lives is correlated to these kinds of incidents, where someone flips out and decides to take out as many innocents as possible, before killing themselves.

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Colorado will be leading a state by state ban on all guns. guns are for pussy’s and cop’s. with no disrespect for the cop’s.[:|]

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There’s already been 2 high schools in my area to get locked down due to copycats calling in threats. Geeeezzz this is way out of hand.

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pause the Dark Knight Rises movie @ 1:58:42

ZOOM IN

look at the bottom left side of the map below the walkie talkie…

http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/December20129/0002.png

[shocked]

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Haha! Some people have way too much time on their hands. That is a weird coincidence, though.