Where the hell has everyone gone? Krowe, Mr. Creosote, Dicecrusher, Spliterhead8, HunterMC, P-Non…what’s up? Sick of all the negativity? Sick of Ministry, period? Computer explode, wounding you horrifically? In the words of Trent, “Where is everybody?”
Not only that, but I’m sure that there are at least 20 others I’m forgetting, and I’ve only been on here about two years or something. Whadafuk?
We miss you, Afra!
Well Afra seems to have stopped posting cuz he’s sick of all the negativity directed toward Al & co. I understand how he feels but I dunno I also feel just as let down as everyone by Ministry lately…
No, they don’t owe me anything, but they are one of my favorite bands and I know they can do better.
As for everyone else I dunno. I try to keep negative Ministry comments balanced by positive comments etc. but I’m sure it’s all the negativity that has driven people away. Or disappointment with the band as you said…
I noticed Afra actually did post the thread about Peeping Tom just recently (haven’t heard it yet, though I LOVE Mike Patton), and it took all of two seconds for that one to be torn apart! I guess we kind of proved out his theory with the ferocity of that one…although, like I said, haven’t heard it. Maybe it’s deserving of the hate.
Anyone like the stuff Mike did with Dillinger Escape Plan? I found that to be really interesting.
SocietalEclipse, Hebron Massacre, Catgoat, Repugnant Pete - you guys alive or what? Was RGB really that bad (I don’t think so, but still!)? Orbasm still lives, I know, but I think he’s busy with his own projects at the moment. Just like Voidhead said, maybe I’m not exactly pleased with the turn Ministry has taken lately, but I TRY (though don’t always succeed) to not be to much of an ass about it. I’m ever so slightly obsessed with Ministry, and I’m always excited about a new release, even if it doesn’t turn out to be a classic. Have we really become no better than the Piss Army here? No offense, Maxmal, or anyone else that plays “double agent,” but the reason I came here in the first place was to chat with people that liked music…er, the same music I do. Do any of us like anything anymore, or do we just get off on slagging everything?
I mean, you know, it’s fun…but I thought this was more than that. Now I’m being maudlin. No more drunk posts from me, I promise. Drrrrruuuuuunnnnnkkkkk…
I tend to use this board more for hearing about other bands and shit from like minded people more than anything else. i’m not sure of the last time i’ve posted on a ministry related topic. i pretty much outgrew ministry’s music after filthpig. not because i thought they started to suck or anything but just because my tastes changed as i got older, and they still are. but for years all of al and pauls’s projects were staples in my rotation. while the negativity on this site had grown over the past few years, it is nothing in comparison to the shit that goes on on other boards. that’s why this is one of only a handful of sites i’ve check daily for years.
I tend to use this board more for hearing about other bands and shit from like minded people more than anything else. i’m not sure of the last time i’ve posted on a ministry related topic. i pretty much outgrew ministry’s music after filthpig. not because i thought they started to suck or anything but just because my tastes changed as i got older, and they still are. but for years all of al and pauls’s projects were staples in my rotation. while the negativity on this site had grown over the past few years, it is nothing in comparison to the shit that goes on on other boards. that’s why this is one of only a handful of sites i’ve check daily for years.
That’s cool, I’m glad to hear it. I also have learned of many great “new” groups from this place that I may not have ever discovered otherwise…I suppose that’s mainly why I’m here. To be honest I’m more concerned with what will happen to this place than what will happen to Ministry after “The Last Sucker!” I hope it stays healthy. Anyway, still drunky, no more posty…
Well Afra seems to have stopped posting cuz he’s sick of all the negativity directed toward Al & co. I understand how he feels but I dunno I also feel just as let down as everyone by Ministry lately…
Ministry seem to be heading down a path that few are interested in these days. Put it down to that. It’s not the fan’s fault. I’m pretty sure that if this forum had been around in the late eighties when Ministry were exploring new territory and pushing boundaries with sonic experimentation (well, it was experimetal for it’s time) then I think it would have been a different story all together.
If I bag Ministry, it’s because I am/was a fan. If I didn’t care I suppose I wouldn’t say anything. But if they keep shitting out ‘classics’ like LiesLiesLies and No W, with the inane belief that they’re doing anything even remotely revelatory or exciting(oh c’mon, how many kiddie punk bands out there writing anti Bush lyrics) then I guess my only options are to either disappear completely, grin and bear it or air my opinions. And I’ve made my choice.
Oh, and before you tear me to pieces…yes I realise that that airing political grievances has always been a part of rock music. But there are ways of doing things (ie subtley) and the music shouldn’t suffer as a result. Unfortunately, in Ministry’s case, Al’s misguided, juvenile rants against the Bush govt. have taken precedent. And it’s painful to watch.
And after all, this is a free speach forum, right?
But I do agree with ol’ Christ-y here, to some extent…where have all these peeps gone to? Especially Krowe. Where is he? I really miss the guy. I’m getting bored andI need a sparing partner. Someone to challenge me. Doesn’t anyone keep in contact with him?
ah, finally remembered my password [:P]
I’ve been lurking around logged out for I’d guess a few months now? I’m quite fond of the Peeping Tom album actually, some interesting layering and textures here and there on it.
Ok, I’ll Bite
Al’s misguided, juvenile rants against the Bush govt.
For example?? you mean his rants against gems like these:
“the insurgency is in it’s last throws” -Dick Cheney
“all of the Oil money will pay for the war”- Gerorge Bush(even though we weren’t there for oil)
“we’ll be greeted as liberators” George Bush, Paul Wolfowitz, Dick Cheney, Don Rumsfeld
“Sadam (notice not bin Laden)Has got weapons of mass destruction”
“Sadam’s getting mass quantities of Uranium from Africa”
to which Valerie Plame’s husband disproved and was rewarded with the outing of his wife as a CIA agent.
To which Bush responded with “if anyone is involved in this leak I want to know who it is and they won’t be working for this administration anymore” Cut to 3 years later when Bush says “yeah, it was me, I’m allowed to declassify info as I wish” WHICH IS NOT TRUE WHEN IT COMES TO CIA AGENTS. His own daddy made that a treasoness crime punishable by death, no matter if the Agent is retired or active!!! This fucks not even doing time, let alone being shot!
NSA wire taps went from: “We get warrants" to “it’s only calls outside of the US so we don’t need warrants.” Then it jumped to “Well, if AL queda is calling you we want to know about it” which then jumped to over 2 millions people being tapped, that have nothing to do with this bullshit!
Then he misquotes the constitution ALL THE TIME!! “Article 2 section 2 gives me the power to do this stuff.” Article 2 section 2 DOES NOT give him the power to do any of this shit! Look it up, Article 2 section 2 deals with his ability to appoint his friends to positions within the government! It doesn’t say dick about him breaking the law.
Maybe you could make the argument that Al’s rants are juvenile especially with songs like Prunetang but certainly not misguided! Get something else besides O’REILLY’s fallacies or at least recognize them AS fallacies! Don’t just throw this shit out there with out backing it up “Al’s misguided, juvenile rants against the Bush govt.” One Sean Hannity is already too many!
Late,
grmpysmrf
haha grmpysmrf just goth-served peligro. jk you both have insanely valid points, so kudos to any sort of discussion about ministry, especially lately with the surprising amount of non-talk as mr.c-buns has mentioned. BTW i have been busy with band shit (www.myspace.com/malfaktor) and my solo shiz and moving from anaheim to rancho santa margarita, but ive definitely been lurking, posting little num-nums here & there, and downloading cool new songs of the week. yeh ministry has become a sort of repetetive metal-with-a-slight-kick of-industrial band, but theyre still doing it a shitload better than a lot of new bands are. id rather listen to the new ministry album than the mountanous shit coming from metropolis and cleopatra records lately. ministry still knows how to set themselves apart, and even though they have suffered severe damage from paul’s absence, they are starting getting to back into groove.
well, i’m not sure what else there is to say that hasn’t already been said. I have RGB, i like it ok, but it sure isn’t in heavy rotation like some other ministry cd’s are for me. also, i am seeing them twice this tour. not becuase i really must go see them twice, but because i have a ton of friends going to the 2 chicago shows, so i’m gonna go to both also. but really, i think seeing them once this time would have been enough. i’m exctied to see revco, but the ministry setlist is not very exciting to me, since it’s mostly the same setlist from the last two tours. plus there’s no milwaukee date, but two chicago and one sauglet il date, which kind of pisses me off. (i never did get an explanations from mrsjay, but i assume it’s just a venure/manager thing). then on top of that, NIN is playing on the 1st in chicago, then on the 2nd here in milwaukee. it’s kinda gay that big mr. famous trent reznor can find the time to play milwaukee (summerfest even!) but al & co can’t make an hour long trip up from chicago like every other damn tour since like 96 or something. if it weren’t for all me friends going to both chicago shows, i would see NIN again on the 2nd here in me hometown. and i have seen them liek 3 times in the past year. now those are some good shows.
so to sum it up, i kinda just really don’t have any opinionsto share anymore. i guess i’m just glad al is still doing music and all that, but i would liek to see some variety in the subject matter, and from what i have been told even the "last ministry album’ will be the third in a trilogy of bush rants. so yeah, REALLY looking forward to that eh?
besides, like fish said, i come here semi-daily for the shatter about other bands mostly. (at least nowadays) and i’m always lurking.
Is it any surprise people aren’t posting here when the dialogues all look like this:
Pronger 1: “Hey, I hear Ministry is putting out a new album next year!”
Pronger 2: Ministry hasn’t put out an album since Paul left. It’s just Al recording speed metal crap. It’s the worst music ever released in human history. I bought a copy of Rio Grande Blood just to wipe my ass with. etc…"
[reply]“I bought a copy of Rio Grande Blood just to wipe my ass with. etc…”[reply]
Nah, I don’t recommend it; much too rough on the old poo-hole.
Personally I find sandpaper more comfortable.
–SKot
Is it any surprise people aren’t posting here when the dialogues all look like this:
Pronger 1: “Hey, I hear Ministry is putting out a new album next year!”
Pronger 2: Ministry hasn’t put out an album since Paul left. It’s just Al recording speed metal crap. It’s the worst music ever released in human history. I bought a copy of Rio Grande Blood just to wipe my ass with. etc…"
this will get a rise out of people:
You could always check the Piss Army. It’s both awesome and total suckitude at the same time, but it DOES seem to get more traffic.
Blah, Piss Army. I float in and out of Ministry lately. Maybe it’s just the fact I’ve been listening to the same few albums for the past decade. I still throw in Land or Psalm in for some good times, but mainly I just listen to the song of the week once or twice and then move on to other bands. Like Fish, my main purpose of coming here for the past year or so was just to find out about new music.
P-Non’s always floated in and out, as for Creosote and Hunter, no idea, I think I see Hunter on Soulseek every now and then.
You rang? I don’t show up here much anymore that I admit. Right now I’m trying to drag two people to the FLA / Conjure One show in DC Thursday. I just ripped the new FLA album that came out today and uploaded it to them. Yeah I know Ministry/RevCo is tomorrow, also in DC. Well I’ve seen Ministry twice myself, and so have the other two people I want to come with. None of us have caught Front Line before so this is the better choice of the two. It’s also in a larger venue and with cheaper tickets… I plan to thoroughly enjoy myself with a less likelihood of hearing damage as the Ministry/RevCo concert.
I come here about once a week and will probably continue to do so until the board dies out completely (which I genuinely hope never happens.)
It definitely one of the more well behaved forums for this type of muisc. Used to hang around bunglefever quite a bit, but that place has become a haven for trolls and vindictive squish-heads. Every second post is either “you are ghey” or “fuck u” or fuck yo mamma". Or slight variations thereof. Really sad.
I think it’s cool that on this forum we can generally express our opinions and agree to disagree without getting hammered by other forum members for speaking out against the general consensus. It’s just a shame that we can’t attract new members. I don’t believe we’ve had a newbie in ages - but I might be wrong.
Many of the admin team team - afra, bisquit, jlw etc seem to have gone awol. Don’t know what this means. Have they simply abandoned all hope and left us here to wither and fade? I never found this forum to be overly negative refarding Ministry or any other band for that matter - but others may see things differently.
One thing I would point out tho’ - there aren’t many new threads started, particularly off topic ones. Perhaps more variations of topics would attract people. Who knows?
"Maybe you could make the argument that Al’s rants are juvenile especially with songs like Prunetang but certainly not misguided! Get something else besides O’REILLY’s fallacies or at least recognize them AS fallacies! Don’t just throw this shit out there with out backing it up “Al’s misguided, juvenile rants against the Bush govt.” One Sean Hannity is already too many!
Late,
grmpysmrf
Oh here we go…
Are you a complete idiot or am I just too sleepy to decipher your generic anti-Bush sentiment right now. Actually, no. I can’t be bothered. He’s your president, if you don’t like him you vote him out and quit yr whining.
Now, my comments on Jourgenson: His lyrics are shite, Butterscotch!! I don’t care if Bush is the biggest idiot never to star in a Police Academy film who prefers the company of trained seals when taking a bath, the quality of Ministry’s recent ‘tough guy’ lyrical output is slighty above that of fourth grade level. Hence my rant. Hell, even George ‘Meesa Cleva Fellow’ Lucas could come up with something with more bite. Where’s the wit? Where’s the clever turn of phrase? Now it’s all predictable ‘rah rah rah Great Satan rah rah rah 911 Conspiracy rah rah rah’. Yells a lot but says very little. It’s just BORING!
And what the fuck is this about ‘O’Reilly’s fallacies’??
Are you feeling OK? Need to lie? Talk to someone?
[reply]
"Maybe you could make the argument that Al’s rants are juvenile especially with songs like Prunetang but certainly not misguided! Get something else besides O’REILLY’s fallacies or at least recognize them AS fallacies! Don’t just throw this shit out there with out backing it up “Al’s misguided, juvenile rants against the Bush govt.” One Sean Hannity is already too many!
Late,
grmpysmrf
Oh here we go…
Are you a complete idiot or am I just too sleepy to decipher your generic anti-Bush sentiment right now. Actually, no. I can’t be bothered. He’s your president, if you don’t like him you vote him out and quit yr whining.
Excellent! the this or that fallacy. If we don’t like him we just vote him out huh? THat does’t seem to be the case here with all of the fraud abound, now does it?
Now, my comments on Jourgenson: His lyrics are shite, Butterscotch!! I don’t care if Bush is the biggest idiot never to star in a Police Academy film who prefers the company of trained seals when taking a bath, the quality of Ministry’s recent ‘tough guy’ lyrical output is slighty above that of fourth grade level. Hence my rant. [quote]
Excellent! the non-sequitor fallacy. These were not your comments. your comments were “Misguided” suggesting he means well but is in the wrong direction. catchy-ness and creativety was never mentioned.
[quote]Hell, even George ‘Meesa Cleva Fellow’ Lucas could come up with something with more bite. Where’s the wit? Where’s the clever turn of phrase? Now it’s all predictable ‘rah rah rah Great Satan rah rah rah 911 Conspiracy rah rah rah’. Yells a lot but says very little. It’s just BORING!
Again, Still not misguided. Maybe not clever but not misguided.
And what the fuck is this about ‘O’Reilly’s fallacies’??
I can’t beleive you need everything S-P-E-L-L-E-D out. I basically was saying don’t be like Bill O’Reilly and drop fallacies all over the place which you already have done.
[quote]Are you feeling OK? Need to lie? Talk to someone?[/reply]
again , what does this have to do with anything??
Late,
grmpysmrf
I’m here. I just don’t really post unless it deals with past info, or just anything really geeky in general. Go figure.
I usually check the board every week or two, there just haven’t been too many topics that I had anything constructive to add to.
I have to agree with Catgoat that the lack of a Milwaukee show really sucks. I really would have liked to seen RevCo, especially.