Angie POSER Jourgenson’s hand has come down AGAIN!!!
here is what this bitch wrote to me and my response
to her about the Lawsuit shit.
actually if you thought about it
YOU are being the one who is rude right now.
we are grieving.
is that OK with you?
jesus christ.
could you please be respectful of the fact that
we just lost a member of our family and we
are in mourning and grief.
please stop. you are being entirely disrespectful
to EVERYONE
have a little bit of godamn compassion for chrissakes.
we would appreciate it.
thank you
mrsjay
THIS IS REALLY DISAPOINTING. Not really rude to EVERYONE… more people than not have said kind words to me in my in box but because people see you as the Bush Admin right now they are scared to speak out…
As I have said before “I HAVE PAID MY RESPECTS WHAT ELSE???” before it was BANNED with NO EXPLANATION and then a "SHUT THE FUCK UP PM
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Apparently this thread was up and deleted before you Were “in mourning” as someone told me in a PM. (NOT by YOUR MODS BTW)
all I did was ask a simple question…If your trying to drive away Fans and Money you are headed in the right direction. I’d be willing to bet no other single fan spends as much as i do on Ministry HOW ABOUT A LITTLE FUCKING RESPECT FOR ONE OF THE GUYS THAT HELPED YOU TOUR!!! ( I don’t know anyone else who spent 4 bills at the merch booth!!! NOT TO MENTION TICKET SALES. You’re a businesswoman check the reciepts!)
You don’t like my post send me a PM don’t just censor me and then scream in my face. I didn’t kill Raven so don’t take it out on me AND furthermore and if your ashamed of something your doing legally MAYBE YOU SHOULDN’T BE DOING IT!!!
ALL I DID WAS INNOCENTLY TRY TO ASK A QUESTION!!! GOOD DAY MADAM! My respect meter has seriously dropped of you
sincerely,
grmpy “wondering what the fuck happened” smrf
Yikes. I’ll definitely withhold my opinion about that exchange at the moment, although her reaction was quite harsh.
Off-topic by a mile, but I noticed your location is now Phoenix? When did you move to town? We might actually get to meet at the TLS gig (assuming you’re still planning to go)…
Yikes. I’ll definitely withhold my opinion about that exchange at the moment, although her reaction was quite harsh.
Off-topic by a mile, but I noticed your location is now Phoenix? When did you move to town? We might actually get to meet at the TLS gig (assuming you’re still planning to go)…
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long story… nothings changed still in So cali. i would’ve been going to phoenix though for the last tour but not now!! not directly giving that bitch any more of my money.
Late,
grmpysmrf
rip paul raven.
that said, you need to appreciate the fact that sometimes within bands there is a genuine grieving when things go awry.when there’s a tragedy.when someone dies, sometimes by his own hand.(pregnant pause here)
that said,you also need to know that you did nothing to actually offend “mrs.jay”. she lives for the drama.i think i’ll get flack for this, but i don’t give a shit. i know her behaviour. one word–groupie(not you grmpysmrf,by the way)
“let’s all hold hands and feel like we have a connection to this person.” that’s easy.
rip paul raven.
that said, you need to appreciate the fact that sometimes within bands there is a genuine grieving when things go awry.when there’s a tragedy.when someone dies, sometimes by his own hand.(pregnant pause here)
that said,you also need to know that you did nothing to actually offend “mrs.jay”. she lives for the drama.i think i’ll get flack for this, but i don’t give a shit. i know her behaviour. one word–groupie(not you grmpysmrf,by the way)
“let’s all hold hands and feel like we have a connection to this person.” that’s easy.
rip paul raven. decent human being he was.
Oh yeah dude, MOre than enough people PMed me to say She’s a bitch! Thanks though It’s nice to vent. Sucks about raven He was a nice dude when I met him but Lawsuits and Dead ex Jesu Bassists aren’t nealy in the same world and was totally picking a fight.
Late,
grmpysmrf
Late,
grmpysmrf
To me you’re coming off as an ass dude. Lay off of her right now and petty lawsuit business, they are all in shock right now and mourning. Lay off for a couple months.
Not trying to pick a fight, you seem like a decent guy, but here are my thoughts:
While its pretty obvious to everyone that the whole Ministry/PA/Angie/management camp smells pretty rotten right now your whole approach could have been done with more tact.
I mean yes the censoring, banning, litigating thats going on is certainly disgusting, but it’s still not right to badger someone about said issues on the day the death of a man is being mourned.
I’m not saying give it a rest for a few months but a few days at least would have been proper. It seems to me a lot more people would have your back now had you approached in that manner. I’m not saying you can’t be confrontational, just let people mourn some first!
For crying out loud dude, I doubt Raven’s even in the ground yet and you’re bugging the lady about bannings and thread deletions.
I’m not saying she’s not a bitch - I don’t actually know her - but I am saying there’s a time and a place for everything, and this ain’t it.
eh, personal feelings aside, i can see why she wouldn’t want to talk about lawsuit crap atm. i mean, i wanna know the deal with it as well, but i would agree that now is/was not the time.
i wonder if they can talk about it at all? mebbe the lawyers recommend silence?
either way a bad situation made worse by the events with raven.
FIRST off it was already a sore subject because that thread was posted long Before the Passing of Raven… SO, the whole Bad timing is a load of Bull. HOW SAD THEY USE THEIR DEAD “FRIEND” as an excuse to flex muscle.
SECOND. If it was in bad taste (which i don’t think it was-Had I posted that in the RAVEN thread YES that would have been in bad taste) Why the hell did everybody respond to it? You don’t respond to it, it doesn’t stay at the top…Easy as easy gets…
“Oh we are grieving” Yeah right!!! till you find a reason to kick that guy out, slander him, and then find a reason to sue him! Good thing Dude checked out when he did it seems all of Al’s working relationships end in Bad Blood
Late,
grmpysmrf
Not trying to pick a fight, you seem like a decent guy, but here are my thoughts:
While its pretty obvious to everyone that the whole Ministry/PA/Angie/management camp smells pretty rotten right now your whole approach could have been done with more tact.
I mean yes the censoring, banning, litigating thats going on is certainly disgusting, but it’s still not right to badger someone about said issues on the day the death of a man is being mourned.
I’m not saying give it a rest for a few months but a few days at least would have been proper. It seems to me a lot more people would have your back now had you approached in that manner. I’m not saying you can’t be confrontational, just let people mourn some first!
I never badgered anybody… Just posted a thread that basically said “hey is this lawsuit for real” and sat back 2 people came to complain at me and about 12 others came to say “good question.” No PM, no nothing, Thread deleted… That’s not badgering then I get Angies screech owl Pms, like, 8 hours later
Late,
grmpysmrf
[reply] i wonder if they can talk about it at all? mebbe the lawyers recommend silence?
Got it in one. Guarantee the lawyers wouldn’t want the Plaintiffs talking about the case on an online forum.[/reply]
“Yes the lawsuit is real” “no lawsuit is not real” is hardly talking about the case. Pissant should know what their “leader” is up to. as I said in the PM back her if they’re ashamed maybe they shouldn’t be doing it!
Paul has “made it hard for them to prosper” I think Jizzwad has done more to slander his career than Mr. Barker. Aside from that, if Al thinks someone has sabotaged his work/deals or whatever he has a laundry list of people he has spurned… Why Barker? Why Now?
Late,
grmpysmrf
My initial review of the album was so filled with vitriol that Angie was concerned it would hurt record sales! I finally caved and removed it myself, because she wouldn’t quit whining…never knew I was that powerful.
But anyway, I’m done with the place. Thread after thread of my questions have now been removed with no explanation (a simple “I don’t like you, it’s deleted” would’ve sufficed). I’ll let her have her little playground to rule over, enforcing whatever rules she decides to go by at the moment, knowing they’ll just change five minutes later.
It’s too bad, as I genuinely like a great majority of the people there, but I can’t back the insanity that has become the current Ministry camp anymore (Lizard-men? Seriously? Even the Loose-Change documentary wasn’t that stupid)! I’d send my shit back, if I honestly thought I’d get a refund.
I’d send my shit back, if I honestly thought I’d get a refund.
I wouldn’t go that far… AS much as the music has gone down since TDSOTS and FP I still Enjoy what Jourgansen puts out just gotta keep reminding myself that SHE is not AL maybe one day she’ll be gone and he will minimalize her role the way he has done to every other person he has worked with… It’d be nice to hear that she was just an employee…
Late,
grmpysmrf
I think the ministry camp is on edge right now. She was out of line with her message, but you could chill out some. They’ll probably play the sympathy card, but it’s still too soon for that. She probably may be affected, you were posting something that was clearly bothering her (lawsuit), so she snapped at you. Wrong place, wrong time. It happens. NOt trying to defend her, but there is some logic, rude or not.
I think the ministry camp is on edge right now. She was out of line with her message, but you could chill out some. They’ll probably play the sympathy card, but it’s still too soon for that. She probably may be affected, you were posting something that was clearly bothering her (lawsuit), so she snapped at you. Wrong place, wrong time. It happens. NOt trying to defend her, but there is some logic, rude or not.
I understand there is some twisted logic to it but normal logic should say, “I’m not her whipping boy.” IF she is so in Grief…What is she doing hanging out on the internet??
Late,
grmpysmrf
Because she’s yoko and loves the attention. Al did the successful Psalm 69, and she’s married to him. Fame? Part of me really thinks that they deleted the raven threads just so she could break the news herself…sad and terrible thing to say, but I honestly do think that. Probably a good thing I don’t post there, i’d be banned and deleted before you reach the K in Piko…
Because she’s yoko and loves the attention. Al did the successful Psalm 69, and she’s married to him. Fame? Part of me really thinks that they deleted the raven threads just so she could break the news herself…sad and terrible thing to say, but I honestly do think that. Probably a good thing I don’t post there, i’d be banned and deleted before you reach the K in Piko…
She DID do that! and she also deleted the law suit thread PRIOR to Raven expiring, so this Whole “we are mourning” in nonsense… They deleted these threads long before!
Late,
grmpysmrf