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Why do girls treat guys, who are a little socially awkward, with such contempt?

From my experience, it would seem that being shy, introverted or something of a loner is like having a contagious disease. Girls simply will not look at you twice if you display any of these qualities. It’s maddening.

Should those of us lacking somewhat in the looks/charisma department be automatically relegated to the Norman Bates pile?

First impressions are important, I know. Do you really need to tick all the boxes though to get a girl to like you? Are looks THAT important? If you have a big nose or a fat face or big ears or you’re too tall or too short or too skinny does an alarm go off in their heads advising them to back away slowly, create a diversion and don’t make any sudden movements?

Are you ‘dangerous’ or ‘threatening’ to them if you are ugly? Are they worried what their friends will think?

Image is everything? Really?

Hmmm…

Any advice? Or anyone have any stories of their own?
Ever felt shunned by the fairer sex?

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Oh I feel Your pain Peligro! TESTIFY BROTHER!!!
Thankfully I’m married now (Got a winner too didn’t even have to settle! Didn’t find her 'til I was 29 though!)

First off, you got to look at your demographics… what’s the girl to guy ratio in your town/city??

If there are more guys than girls in your town then you’re pretty much (not) SCREWED.

All the way through High School I would choose girls that I thought I could easily get and I would get shot down constantly… WTF I would say to myself… Come to find out that because the ratio in my town (county actually) is ridiculously skewed in favor of the girls so much so that EVEN THE FAT UGLY ONES CAN AFFORD TO BE PICKY!

HAHA Picking ones I thought I could easily get, how naive!! Little did I know that several other guys were going for those girls too. So, these girls that were, let say, not completely unfortunate looking but on the bottom side of average, had multiple dudes going after them. So, because the woman pool was so poorly populated these girls had inflated images of themselves and were rude as hell!.

It got worse when I got out of High School because at least at high school you had pretty captive population. but once I got out of high school It was like “where’s Waldo” with the females! And Bless Your soul, if you found a woman, you can be sure her Boyfriend/husband was right there with her keeping guard over her OR on his way to be there

And the Women that were by themselves (available) demanded nothing less than perfection out of their potential suitors. It got so bad that I coined a slogan that I’ve actually heard around the city by people I don’t know. “The HDG”
High Desert Girl!

In the High Desert the ratio between males and females is something like 65%-70% Males to 25-30% Females. I didn’t really learn about demographics until I got to college and found out about the ratios

So, with odds like that, even the Fat Ugly Ones can afford to be picky and if you are a woman with average to above average looks, then welcome to the life of a super model! (You hear that Bluevelvet? you need a date? Move to San Bernardino County in Southern Cali. YOU WILL HAVE YOUR PICK!!!)

I got so sick of hearing chicks had boyfriends, husbands whatever, I seriously started to not care… I stopped playing the roles guys are expected to play I started using my wit and profanity to score… When I started looking for sex rather than a girlfriend is when I started getting hooked up. If a girl was even slightly rude to me I was completely rude back, didn’t give a shit cause She wasn’t gonna fuck me anyway, so I’m moving on “I have no use for you” and that’s how I held myself.

That worked because in a county where every girl has her pick she wants to know why you aren’t kissing her ass!

So, yeah, buddy check your demographics and look for snatch rather than a girlfriend…

I guess it boils down to this:

If you look for a girlfriend you will get no sex, and no girlfriend.

you look for sex you’re probably gonna find it and maybe grab a girlfriend (if you want) out of it.

If she won’t fuck you, you’ve got no use for, her move on, ignore her! Treat her with the contempt with which she treats you.

Thank god I don’t have to play this sad little game anymore!
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grmpysmrf

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Why do girls treat guys, who are a little socially awkward, with such contempt?

Because it makes biological sense.

Ratios, as grmp pointed out, are indeed very important. Just as men have to work to get a girlfriend/laid whatever, if women have ratios on their side… forget it. Get out of there. Get yourself a Filipina (who’s not packing a surprise!). South East Asian countries always looking for white men or black men (probably because Asian men have smaller willies, on average). There’s not much worse than an average girl who thinks (or moreso acts like) she’s the shit with a sense of entitlement.

The hackneyed maxims (treat 'em mean keep 'em keen, whore like a queen, queen like a whore) do have validity but if you go around thinking all women are stereotypes and pre-judging them you’re not going to get anything decent.

I say make them want you and don’t fuck it up. Number one stupidity people make is when something isn’t working they just blame the opposite sex. Oh and avoid women who always go around in packs, unless it’s just the ride you’re looking for.

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Mick and I will be holding class this Friday night! Sign up fast cause space is limited! [;)]

There’s not much worse than an average girl who thinks (or moreso acts like) she’s the shit with a sense of entitlement.

Goddamn if that’s not the truth!! which is why I laughed so hard when (I think it was Icepick) a member posted that when he sees a pretty girl that she would look much better with a black eye! LOL that still makes me laugh!
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grmpysmrf

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Demographics does indeed play a big factor. Out in the Pacific Northwest (Seattle area) men outnumber women by quite a large margin, and women sure can afford to be picky. A lady friend of mine in Seattle who is morbidly obese can basically get laid whenever she wants to with any number of guys.

I think an even more important factor is HEIGHT. There are some exceptions to the rule, but the RULE is that you better be at least 3 inches taller than the girl you are courting for her to be attracted to you. Women may call us shallow when it comes to weight and shape, but they are shallow when it comes to height. Watch this if you don’t believe me:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR3YR1ZTonc

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Our personalities are nothing but advertisements.

I wish to have little part in it.

I just keep to myself and do.

I like turtles.

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Go on match.com or eharmony.com or something if you are better talking on a computer than in person at first. My friend does that and meets all kinds of women. Some of them are pretty darn good looking and smart, too. He says there are some pretty weird ones on there too, though, so watch out.

I recommend OK Cupid for the sort of person who posts on prongs.
Also, self-confidence is super-important.

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a really big dick helps…

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I hear you, Peligro. I’ll share my story.

Well, to start out I’m very secretive with my personal life, always have been…even to my own family. I guess I can say I’m a loner in that sense. I’ve realized that it’s not good to be that way, and it’s very, very difficult to change. So I recently shared a bit over at litany and got some great words of advice, much as I see here.

My last relationship was with someone who I honestly wanted to marry. We met in college in a film class and at times, I really was introverted and shy. It was when I opened up explaining personal projects to the class that she really started to like me on a different level. She saw a side of me that she had been waiting to see.

As we got to know each other more when we were going out, she started to address some things she wasn’t crazy for about me. Change your hair style, fix those eyebrows, you need a new wardrobe. She felt incredibly bad telling me those things, and she’d beat herself up over it each time. But, I was not once offended. I knew she was right. She was simply trying to better me, and she certainly did. Unfortunately it doesn’t always work out that way- some girls think of those things first before anything. But there’s exceptions to that rule. There’s always exceptions.

You asked if they would be worried about what their friends think…I suppose that varies for every girl. This relationship was an intteracial relationship , she was very concerned what others would think. I was the opposite, I didn’t care. At first her mother wasn’t warm to the idea- her mother is a bit older and from the south, so she was very skeptical of a white boy comin to take away her daughter. As she got to know me, she warmed up to me. But, my ex’s friends loved me, as did the rest of her family and her little daughter (she was a single mom) .

It’s cliche, but it’s really about how you feel about yourself. I honestly had little self-esteem going into the relationship. Granted, I’m not that ugly a guy or anything. I’m not the most regular guy in thoughts or beliefs either. But my confidence boosted ten fold just by the time of our first date.

That was then, however. We’ve since split for reasons I still cannot understand. I really beat myself up over it. I made contact with her with Monday, which started out nice but ended up with her basically saying she’s done with me for good. So, I need to get back to that level of confidence, of self-esteem I had with her. She always said I don’t need her to feel good about myself…and she’s right. I’m searching for it, but I know it’s in me. I think that can go for anyone.

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If a lady dismisses you at first glance, then you shouldn’t even waste your time on a dumb snobby bitch like that.

Personality has little to do with attracting a female. In my experience, being somewhat shy myself I’ve landed some eccentric outgoing chicks. Keep in mind opposits attract!! Try not to go after ladies out of your league… if you’re a 7 go after ladies that ere 7’s and 6’s themselves, and not 10’s or whatever.

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I’m 29 and have had no experience with a girl/woman. Sure, I might have talked half casually to a few in school or some such situation, but never anything beyond that. I’m straight but obviously have some sort of social deformaty which causes me to look at the ground when I’m near women (and everyone else too). It’s the most painful after the fact, with the lament and rueing and the endless regrets. I have no male friends either, so I guess I wasn’t meant for human interaction. Fuck it, there’s a certain resolve in a lifetime of solitude which can’t be substituted by the perfunctory penetrations of prodigal pink pleasures. I usually end up channeling squelched desires into something artistic anyway, which I suppose is more substantial. There’s 6 billion bags of shit on this even bigger bag of shit shithole rock, and nature only needs you to interact with them for the process of breeding (of which I have no desire), so what’s the point really? In short, women? Fuck em, or don’t!

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Also, self-confidence is super-important.

So, find a cute chick and walk up to her, grab her tits, and say, “hey bitch let’s get a look at that snatch!”

a really big dick helps…

I don’t see how that would help you, seeing that it’s on your shoulders!

But actually he’s got a point! He brought nothing to the conversation… Yet we all saw his post, you gotta get some attention like that, but then work with it!

If a lady dismisses you at first glance, then you shouldn’t even waste your time on a dumb snobby bitch like that.

WORD! Sage advice right there kids! If you try after someone like that you’re going to build her self steem up while yours plunges and at best you will become her “friend” and hear B.S. like “Oh you’re so sweet to me, I wish I could decide who I could “like”, cause no guy is ever as nice to me as you are!” (that was said to me in high school! Word for word! I never forgot it! She looked like Gwyneth Paltrow as the Pepper Pots Character From Iron Man- Now she’s fat an ugly (saw her at the 10 year reunion didn’t even speak to her) and I’m kinda glad I never got anywhere with her cause then I’d have to resort to “she didn’t look like that when I was with her.” lines!)

Well, to start out I’m very secretive with my personal life…

Except with people on a message board! [;)]
That’s a good story, ma’ man. Although, it’s kinda hard to keep your self esteem up when you are getting passed over or not even second glanced! Not telling you what to do but If this were me I would never talk to that chick again… and if by some miracle she did try and comeback I’d make her beg! Any future that this relationship had/has is doomed by the “no future” conversation you 2 had so if she ever changed her mind it still wouldn’t change that “no future” conversation so you may as well become selfish.

That’s pretty much it… become selfish… Look to get yours! that way if a chick turns out to be horrible at least you can say “who cares, I got mine!” and if she turns out to be great you have an avenue to pursue as far as a relationship.

I assume everyone here has guy friends? you don’t need girl “friends” especially if you like her! all that is is crappy manipulation on her part that gets you nothing but false hopes and crushed feelings and the longer you hang around her hoping things will change the longer the cycle will repeat itself!

Man I wish knew all of this sooner! now I have no use for it! Unless… I have a son, then I will pass it down instead of letting the poor kid fend for himself like I had to. I only had to be the selfish prick for about 3 years but those were some good bachelor years!!! Like I said, wish I knew the recipe sooner!
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grmpysmrf

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…which causes me to look at the ground when I’m near women (and everyone else too).

Don’t know if you care or what, but if it’s just the problem with looking at their eyes you may try looking at their forehead/eyebrows. Doing this gives the appearance that you are looking them in the eye without actually doing it.
Everyone is meant for human interaction…which is why you are here on the board, at the very least.

Unless you really are ok with being a hermit then more power to ya’, buddy. But I would imagine not based on this quote

I usually end up channeling squelched desires into something artistic anyway, which I suppose is more substantial.

Hopefully you haven’t been fooling yourself for so long that you’ve actually convinced yourself of it. That would be sad [:(]

general rule when talking to women or trying to make a move is, there is no situation that is so bad that a simple, “well, F*ck you!” and walking away won’t fix.

Or if you want to be funny about her rudeness do like my buddy Zieg does and pretend to cry and say, “You Fcking Btch, you ruined my life” and run away with your face in your hands! TOO funny to watch him actually do it! God, I love that guy!!
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grmpysmrf

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im thinking, the longer the post’s the shorter the dick, you can type and whine all day…at the end of the day you still only got 5 inches.[:P]

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Everyone is meant for human interaction…which is why you are here on the board, at the very least.

I don’t consider the internet human interaction, it’s 1’s and 0’s. Hence me having no hang up about saying or doing anything on it. Out in the world, however…

Unless you really are ok with being a hermit…

I am indeed! There’s built in mechanisms that require me to want to fuck, which is the problem.

Hopefully you haven’t been fooling yourself for so long that you’ve actually convinced yourself of it. That would be sad

Well, I’ve been this way for near 3 decades, so it’s been long enough. Though, what’s foolish about it? I don’t believe I could accomplish the same satisfaction if I were actively fucking that I can when I live in my box.

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im thinking, the longer the post’s the shorter the dick, you can type and whine all day…at the end of the day you still only got 5 inches.[:P]

Why you care about the length of mine is beyond me! You’ll never get to nibble on it so it doesn’t matter!

Well, I’ve been this way for near 3 decades, so it’s been long enough. Though, what’s foolish about it? I don’t believe I could accomplish the same satisfaction if I were actively fucking that I can when I live in my box.

Hey, man I’m not trying to put you down (it’s not like you’re richiee or anything) Just looking to proffer some advice is all. I don’t look down on you or up to you. I just know it can be frustrating having needs that Spanking it just won’t fix…

If you’re really ok with hermiting it, then ladies of the night may satisfy your “Biological needs”! Very easy that way! and you don’t have to open yourself up… and furthermore you are in complete control in that type of situation. you can have her not look at you, it won’t matter if you look at her or the ground … … … It’s win/win.
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grmpysmrf

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The rules of attraction are complicated. Approximately 1 in 20 women will respond to your advances and only about 1 in 30 to 40 will turn into any sort of friendship/relationship. Move on and don’t mope about it.

Image isn’t everything, but if you are not portraying yourself as a high-value male you had best have something else to offer her.

Symmetry, height, and smell (how you smell to each other) play key roles. Self-confidence and self-worth are also factors. Kindness, sense of humor, and how you treat her, what you say to her, if you have pets/plants and can properly care for them, etc. The more fundamental values you have in common with each other, the better. I’m not talking about liking the same music. I’m talking about morals and ethics.

It is true that most women like men to be 4 inches or taller than them. They also like men with money because it says that they are financial stable and can provide for a family. If you are age 30 or older and do not have your finances together, chances are women will blow you off.

I’ve seen some pretty challenged people hook up, which affirms that there is hope for everyone out there to find someone.

If you continually go after one type, try another type. Go to the place where women you would like to meet hang out.

NOTE: 2" or 12" is the same - if the guys don’t know how to use it. Circumference over length.

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It was never meant as a boo hoo hoo woe is me thread.

It was more the result of a conversation I had with a friend over drinks and a game of pool.

He was relating to me all the shit he’s put up with over the years from girls or lack thereof. They’d been pretty nasty to him and he’d been dateless for many, many years.

I told him I couldn’t help but agree with him for the most part and that as a teenager I was painfully shy and considered “unattractive” by my peers and couldn’t get a girl to tell me the time.

I kinda grew into my looks over time.

I do ok with women - but it’s usually a LONG time between drinks. And I seem to do well with ‘pretty’ girls of a different culture to mine. I was in a 2 year + relationship with a knockout hispanic girl from LA, but she ultimately got “bored” with me and left (via a parting email…didn’t even have the decency to do it face to face!). Also dated a Thai table top dancer with NO personality (but she’d do anything…ANYTHING).

Girls are snobby and bitchy. I know plenty of guys in their mid 30s who still have never had a date.

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I know plenty of guys in their mid 30s who still have never had a date.

If they got a date, would they know what to do?
A date versus a sexual contract are two entirely different things.

Oh yeah, a couple more things are intimacy and being emotionally supportive. If you can’t communicate your feelings and innermost secrets, you may as well forget it. If you don’t care about what she says or what she feels or what she wants or needs, you may as well hang it up too.