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[reply]The jab was pretty easy to read as sarcasm. Microsoft is a greedy little bitch.

Rumors are popping up that Sony is on the fence about the used games fees. They’re pretty much leaving it up to the developers. If both major consoles go down that route it could mean the end for places like Gamestop.

You don’tremember when suites and time shares actually did have the rent/buy buttons on video game controllers for certain video game systems do you?[/reply]

Come the fuck on. You didn’t get it. Move on.

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[reply][reply]The jab was pretty easy to read as sarcasm. Microsoft is a greedy little bitch.

Rumors are popping up that Sony is on the fence about the used games fees. They’re pretty much leaving it up to the developers. If both major consoles go down that route it could mean the end for places like Gamestop.

You don’tremember when suites and time shares actually did have the rent/buy buttons on video game controllers for certain video game systems do you?[/reply]

Come the fuck on. You didn’t get it. Move on.[/reply]
Has nothing to do with the joke. I’m talking about past and current distribution over games with current and previous existing technology.

Move along kid and let the adults have their discussion.

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http://us.playstation.com/ps4/
Looks like Sony is at it again leaks as little details on their site. Some ways I don’t mind it, but you always have those games that suffer. Happened when both the PS2 and PS3 came out. But we’ll see what the E3 conference decides to include. Anyone else going to watch?

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Unfortunately, i’ll probably be at work when the conferences take place. I’ll be keeping up on my phone though.

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I’ll def catch it. I’ll probably stream it online. This has been the most anticipated E3 show ever for me. In the past I didnt give a rats ass about E3.

Just to poke fun at the EXbox 1, Sony’s event should open up with a PS4 on stage, all hooked up with ethernet and a PS Eye, and the CEO coming out unplugging the whole thing.

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HOLY GOD WALL OF TEXT INCOMING. I didn’t realize it would turn out like this.

Steam is fucking great. Most game are available offline. Game that are pulled are still always available to people who own them. (Dragon Age 2 is an example of this that I currently own.) You can burn backup discs of anything you own. The response from their email support lines and from our plump lord and master Gaben has always been stuff like “In the unlikely event of the discontinuation of the Steam network, measures are in place to ensure that all users continue to have have access to their Steam games.” I rarely have issues myself, but some people do have issues from time to time, such as the issues with Bioshock 2 that were stated earlier. Many times these issues are not caused by Steam itself, as it is mostly a delivery/matchmaking system. That is not to say there are NEVER server issues or anything, but 99% of the time i have 0 issues with it.

Valve has recently introduced Big Picture Mode, which is a user interface designed with a tv/controller in mind, and this is completely optional mode. It works very well with the games that support controllers, and I would say Big Picture Mode has the best onscreen keyboard manipulated with a controller for typing I have used. If someone wanted to, they could just run some HDMI/audio cables from their room to their tv room, or even build a PC to set near your tv, and sit on the couch and have a console experience from their PC. Not to mention the looming release of the “Steam Box” PCs, aimed squarely at the couch/controller market.

One of the things I like best about steam is when a PC games uses it, you can get a code from any retailer. Steam itself is known for it’s completely wallet destroying sales, where games that retail for like 30 bucks will be 5 or 10. This happens often, and it has become a running joke in the community that a lot of Steam users are sitting on a 100-200 game library, but have played less than half of them because of these sales. I like it because after the summer or winter sales I will have months of games i can burn through. But you can get insane deals on Steam codes for games in a lot of places, like Amazon, Greenman Gaming, even Gamestop and Gamefly will occasionally have a game for 50% or more off.

And to speak of the PC platform itself, there are a lot of ways you can gets games completely DRM free for crazy cheap quite often. Recently, the Humble Bundle offered Alan Wake digital collector’s edition plus Alan Wake: American Nightmare as one of their bundles. For those who don’t know, the Humble Bundle’s are charity based sales, and you can pay what you want. Many times if you pay more than the average you get a few more games. The average on this bundle was 1 dollar. AND you got DRM free versions PLUS Steam codes.

On PC, I can find games from small developers that are FUCKING AMAZING, like Cave Story+, Binding of Isaac, or VVVVVV, and purchase easily and insanely cheap. I can back them up as I see fit.

These type of deals/situation simply have not existed on a home console, and although Sony said they are letting indie developers self publish on the PS4, Microsoft has stated that indie developers will once again have to find a publisher to release their games on their system. And while Sony may have great intentions, they are unproven as far as their friendliness to the indie dev scene.

These are a few of the reasons why I dig PC gaming and prefer it as my gaming platform of choice. Your mileage may vary.

I grew up with consoles and still own a ps3 and a 360, the ps3/360 generation has turned me off on consoles, and i won’t be buying one of the new ones until a few years down the road when i can get a cheap one for the few exclusives i will want to play. I harbor no ill will to the majority of my console brethren, but I would say the potential for idiots in their ranks is greater than on PC due only to the lower price point and/or maintenance or perceived difficulty of use. Just look at XBox Live as an example of this. PC gamers can and are just as awful as their 12-year old racist XBL counterparts, though.

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Catgoat, you might have just sold me to PC gaming. Still fairly certain that i’m getting a PS4 though. But, i’m considering trying to put a PC together before Battlefield 4 and Watch Dogs (which i’m sure will look much better than the console versions, probably).

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haha awesome! nowadays you dont even need to break the bank to do it. if you assemble it yourself you could piece together a decent rig for less than 400-500. it is not the cheapest hobby but of course a pc is not only for gaming, but also pr0n. You can find pre built higher end machines for “cheap” nowadays too, like the ones at http://www.digitalstormonline.com/vanquish-gaming-pc.asp.

one thing i like to relate to people is the myth of needing tp upgrade every 2 years or something. Yes, if you want the highest end cards and with the fastest onboard memory and biggest pipelines, etc, you will be upgrading often. But if you invest in a good card now, you can ride that shit out for quite awhile when paired with a good processor. a nice thing about PC games is they have adjusted/tweakable video settings. if you have an older card, you can turn down/off graphical effects to regain framerate. (for instance, shadows, in my experience, are nice and all but can give you a pretty big framerate boost if disabled). If you are the type of person who does not need to play every game on ULTRA settings, you can get a good 3 years before you really need to start turning most fx down/off. of course you can also make smaller upgrades every few years and keep it going for much longer.

tweaking/maintaining my PC is a hobby i enjoy, though, so keep that in mind as well. You don’t need to become a PC gear head if you don’t want, but know that it won’t always be easy, you will most likely eventually run into an issue and have to do some research online in forums or something to fix. the upside to this is it is an issue you can most likely fix yourself if you feel up to it, whereas consoles are not really intended to be user serviceable.

at the end of the day though as long as we are all playing games it is fine by me.

watchdogs looks fucking great, holy shit.

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I actually already have some of the parts (case and HDD), so that part is out of the way. The video card and processor seem the most pricey of the lot. Motherboard and power supply don’t seem too bad though.

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Just reserved a PS4.

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Did you see the commercial on how to lend your friends a PS4 game?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

Brilliant!

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Yeah, that was pretty awesome. Some people went and edited Jack Tretton’s wiki page. “Tretton was arrested yesterday for the murder of Microsoft”.

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Sony’s E3 was pretty cool. They really ran away with it, completely stomped MS into submission, but heck, MS made it easy by repeatedly shooting themselves in the foot!! It’s like they were trying to make me NOT buy it. Poor Xbox fans.

Also, they tried to be sneaky with it by not mentioning it, but you gotta have a PS + susbscription to play multiplayer online, it’s not biggie tthough, they gotta make money somehow I guess, it’s gonna cost a fuck load to maintain those servers, with all the Xbone crossovers jumping ship.

Wasn’t a big fan of the design, aesthetically, thing looks like the eraser I used to color black with my pen back in middle school xD.

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it kind of blows my mind how drastically different of approaches Sony and MS have taken with their “next gen” consoles.

The 100 dollars price difference alone will sell tons of system, let alone the availability of used games.

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It’s almost like they completely switched places. Back in 06, it was Sony that was the sinking ship. $600 consoles and everything. 360 came along and completely made the last generation. The main thing microsoft really lost was the fact that it’s a gaming console. You can throw whatever gimmicks you want into it, but at the end of the day, they want the games.

And i’m honestly amazed that Sony didn’t follow as all when it came down to restrictions and such. Microsoft kinda passed the buck onto the publishers/developers when it came to trading in games, etc. So, I was expecting Sony to follow suit, but not so extreme. But to see Sony completely wave it all off the way they did, I was very surprised.

The main thing that won it for Sony this year is the main fact that Microsoft made it painfully apparent that the consumer owns nothing. That, by buying a $500 console, or a $60 game, you don’t own it. You’re merely licensing it. And imposing some pretty ridiculous rules on people. Check in online every 24 hours, or get locked out. I’m curious as to how they ever came to such a conclusion. Or restricting you from letting friends borrow the game that YOU paid 60 bucks for, and should have all the right in the world to say “here you go”.

And every update leading into E3 from Microsoft was a lot of “you can’t do this, and you can’t do this, and you must do this”. As Sony just walks right in and says, “it’s yours, and you can do whatever you want with it”.

By the time they mentioned used games, and not having to go online every day, the crowd went nuts, and rightfully so.

And some people took to wikipedia, and edited Jack Tretton’s page with things like “he’s a murderer for the brutal killing of Xbox One”.

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that was a genius commercial!

I think I’m pretty much done with Xbox if they continue this no sharing games bullshit. The games I like I’ll buy new (borderlands, resident evil) but the majority of my games come from the used bin, so if they don’t want to sell core units, fuck em I won’t buy one.

I wonder if it’s too late for xbox to do away with some of these stupid restrictions. They had to have taken notice of the e3 reaction.
Late,
grmpysmrf

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It’s almost like they completely switched places. Back in 06, it was Sony that was the sinking ship. $600 consoles and everything. 360 came along and completely made the last generation. The main thing microsoft really lost was the fact that it’s a gaming console. You can throw whatever gimmicks you want into it, but at the end of the day, they want the games.

And i’m honestly amazed that Sony didn’t follow as all when it came down to restrictions and such. Microsoft kinda passed the buck onto the publishers/developers when it came to trading in games, etc. So, I was expecting Sony to follow suit, but not so extreme. But to see Sony completely wave it all off the way they did, I was very surprised.

The main thing that won it for Sony this year is the main fact that Microsoft made it painfully apparent that the consumer owns nothing. That, by buying a $500 console, or a $60 game, you don’t own it. You’re merely licensing it. And imposing some pretty ridiculous rules on people. Check in online every 24 hours, or get locked out. I’m curious as to how they ever came to such a conclusion. Or restricting you from letting friends borrow the game that YOU paid 60 bucks for, and should have all the right in the world to say “here you go”.

And every update leading into E3 from Microsoft was a lot of “you can’t do this, and you can’t do this, and you must do this”. As Sony just walks right in and says, “it’s yours, and you can do whatever you want with it”.

By the time they mentioned used games, and not having to go online every day, the crowd went nuts, and rightfully so.

And some people took to wikipedia, and edited Jack Tretton’s page with things like “he’s a murderer for the brutal killing of Xbox One”.

Microsofts whole approach has been mindboggling. They’ve pretty much killed off their markets in all 3rd world countries and anywhere internet access is scarce. Granted, most of their fanbase is in the US, but even here people don’t want to deal with their greedy “PAY ME FUCKER” kind of attitude. Not to mention their DRM debacle, so essentially I think they’ve killed off all their markets. They’re catering to the casuals who dont know the difference between a Wii U and a box of chocolates. Oh well.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DxkEe_l7S3g

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Microsoft has pulled the plug on the whole DRM and always online requirement debacle lol!!!

They forced these changes upon themselves for being idiots. Glad they got their head out of their ass though, competition breeds innovation.

Their reputation has def been tarnished with some of the hardcore gamers and devs. And even with those changes I still think the PS4 is still the better machine. Not too mention it’s still a whole $100 cheaper, that alone gives them a huge leg up on them.

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Yeah, but sadly for them that wasn’t even the main reason why console buyers were gonna go for the PS4 anyway. It was merely one of many reasons.

Can someone give me one reason why purchasing the next Xbox would be a better option than purchasing the PS4? One legit, good reason.